wmw999 2,444 #26 October 12, 2004 QuoteI'm hoping they were tortured extremely slow and painfully. I could post in detail precise methods for maximum torture pain. It happens more than you think and rightfully so. That's a disgusting thing to say. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #27 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteI'm hoping they were tortured extremely slow and painfully. I could post in detail precise methods for maximum torture pain. It happens more than you think and rightfully so. That's a disgusting thing to say. Wendy W. It always amazes me that anyone would be proud of a violent nature in their body. Why would you want to brag that you know how to kill in ___ many ways? This makes you a lesser person on the same level of those that are chopping heads for the world to watch. It takes the same mentality and lack of respect for human life to do such things. I don't care what side you are on, its wrong and there is never a good reason why. Here is something else to chomp on: Killing foreign prisoners will make them into martrys for the cause. If they are innocent it will fuel the fire of revenge, if they are part of the problem their names will be praised and used as examples of why the western style of life should fall. It is a lose/lose sceanrio. An eye for eye never works, it is a cycle that never ends._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #28 October 12, 2004 QuoteIt is a lose/lose sceanrio. An eye for eye never works, it is a cycle that never ends. Don't discount the very real possibility that cycle is exactly what many people (including many who post here) are seeking. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #29 October 12, 2004 QuoteAn eye for eye never works, it is a cycle that never ends. Negative. You couldn't be farther from the truth. Missed the boat big-time there. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #30 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteAn eye for eye never works, it is a cycle that never ends. Negative. You couldn't be farther from the truth. Missed the boat big-time there. Oh, this should be interesting. How so?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #31 October 12, 2004 QuoteAnd if the Chechens catch a US Marine out of uniform carrying a gun Sometimes your comparisons SCARE ME Bill... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #32 October 12, 2004 The point is we're supposed to be better than them. The UK and US or ......U SUK as we're know in Europe and the middle east, can not be seen to do this sort of thing. Very unprofessional.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #33 October 12, 2004 QuoteI'm hoping they were tortured extremely slow and painfully. I could post in detail precise methods for maximum torture pain. It happens more than you think and rightfully so. Oh Lord, that's really the worst I ever read. You must be proud about your special knowledges, right? Your last sentence made me shiver. Truly. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #34 October 12, 2004 QuoteThe point is we're supposed to be better than them. I disagree. I respect your posts for you are one of the more intelligent and unbiased posters in these forums but you are wrong here. The point is to win. Win at all costs. Do whatever it takes to ensure freedom. If that means breaking laws, stepping on the rights and liberties of our citizens...then so be it. Just win. A lot of the babble I see posted on here in regards to winning the war on terrorism is absolutely side-splitting. Yeah, I know, following the letter of the law, dotting every i and crossing every t sounds great on paper. Unfortunately in the real world it doesn't work. You have no idea how many laws, rules and regulations are broken every day in the name of maintaining our freedom and independence by the military, NSA, CIA, FBI and the DIA. These practices have been around since the beginning of our country's history and will continue to go on forever. That, my friends, is a cold, hard, fact. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #35 October 12, 2004 Some among us are eager for the leadership to act with secrecy and brutal force. Unfortunately they'll regret that when the leadership changes. Precedents can be a bitch. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #36 October 12, 2004 ***It always amazes me that anyone would be proud of a violent nature in their body. Why would you want to brag that you know how to kill in ___ many ways? This makes you a lesser person on the same level of those that are chopping heads for the world to watch. It takes the same mentality and lack of respect for human life to do such things. I don't care what side you are on, its wrong and there is never a good reason why. It is always amazing to me that some people refuse to acknowledge the harsh reality of war and look down there noses at people that do "We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm" George OrwellMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #37 October 12, 2004 QuoteThe point is to win. Win at all costs. Do whatever it takes to ensure freedom. If that means breaking laws, stepping on the rights and liberties of our citizens...then so be it. Just win. Just winning doesn't work. You need to secure peace. Victory alone doesn't bring peace. Breaking the rules and laws doesn't bring peace it fuels fire for a war at a later date. All victory does it place your opponents into temporary submission until they can regroup with new tactics. That is, unless you believe in genocide - the only way to win without securing peace._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #38 October 12, 2004 Quote It is always amazing to me that some people refuse to acknowledge the harsh reality of war and look down there noses at people that do Ah, since there is a famous quote that must make it ok to do!! Besides, this is inside a prison where the odds are high in the favor of the guards, etc. If those men had disappeared on the battlefield because of injuries in a conflict, that would be war. Getting killed in a jail cell is murder. And btw - where do you draw the line? And if you blur one line, whats from stopping you from bluring the next? Its a slippery slope._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #39 October 12, 2004 >Sometimes your comparisons SCARE ME Bill... They should! And we should think about such possibilities _before_ they happen. There's a reason (for example) that we've agreed with other countries to treat prisoners of war humanely - because americans have been POW's, and they will be again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #40 October 12, 2004 QuoteBreaking the rules and laws doesn't bring peace it fuels fire for a war at a later date. Nah. Sounds great but doesn't work in the real world. Keep trying. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #41 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteBreaking the rules and laws doesn't bring peace it fuels fire for a war at a later date. Nah. Sounds great but doesn't work in the real world. Keep trying. Well, with a rubutal like that how can I even argue?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #42 October 12, 2004 >The point is to win. Win at all costs. We won the war in Iraq. We are losing the peace. We will be in a Vietnam there within a few years, one that will cause great harm to the US. This will happen not because we don't have the best military in the world (we do) but because you need more than bullets to win non-military battles. To a hammer, all problems look like nails. To the military, all problems can be solved by killing someone or destroying something. That's great to win a war - then you need a different kind of determination, with different methods, to win the peace. >Do whatever it takes to ensure freedom. If that means breaking laws, >stepping on the rights and liberties of our citizens...then so be it. Just win. George Orwell wrote a book about that. War is peace. Take away people's liberties until they are free. Break laws until we have a lawful society. Torture people until no one is in pain. Kill them secretly until there are no more secret killings. Let us know how that goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #43 October 12, 2004 QuoteWe are losing the peace. We will be in a Vietnam there within a few years Interesting opinion. Unfortunately it's completely false so far. We have not come close to losing the peace in Iraq. As far as your other conspiracy theory about it being another Vietnam? Highly unlikely. Only time will tell. At this point in time it is headed nowhere near that, though. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #44 October 12, 2004 QuoteThe point is to win. Win at all costs. Do whatever it takes to ensure freedom. If that means breaking laws, stepping on the rights and liberties of our citizens...then so be it. Just win. What about the Oath you took when you became a soldier. Didn't it say something about protecting the constitution of the United States? So I take it your OK with throwing away the Bill of Rights if it assures a win against terrorist. Then again is that a win? The scenario you propose is a win, not for freedom though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #45 October 12, 2004 QuoteWe have not come close to losing the peace in Iraq. Haven't we loss ground since we declared "Mission Accomplished?" Are American troops still being killed over there? Do terrorists have a foothold? Have more hostages been killed? Is it possible that the entire country may not be able to vote due to terrorism and battles in towns? Have the civilian contractors started to leave the green zone again? Is construction happening outside the green zone? Aren't bombings happening on such a regular occurance now that they all don't get covered by the news? Hasn't our administration admitted they planned wrong? Hasn't our administration admitted that terrorists from around the world are now headed there? I don't see Victory or Peace in any of that._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #46 October 12, 2004 ***Ah, since there is a famous quote that must make it ok to do!! Maybe,maybe not......but at least Orwell had a grasp of the situation *** Getting killed in a jail cell is murder. You have exclusive info the rest of the free world doesnt have?Last I heard the "assets" in question had "disappeared".No confirmation of death,I suppose you can jump to conclusions in the absence of fact if you want to.Probably wouldnt want to kill them because of there value to the intel community. And this hot off the wire,some Gitmo detainees that had been released have taken up arms against our guys....AGAIN.......sounds like doing the right thing just doesnt work in all instances,or circumstances.I dont know about you,but I dont feel good about letting them have another go at our guysMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #47 October 12, 2004 QuoteI don't see Victory or Peace in any of that. Of course not. You're a liberal and there's a republican president in the White House. I wouldn't expect you to think any other way. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #48 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see Victory or Peace in any of that. Of course not. You're a liberal and there's a republican president in the White House. I wouldn't expect you to think any other way. Show me how any of what I listed demonstrates victory or peace._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #49 October 13, 2004 Maybe they put their worthless asses on a Coast Guard cutter and dropped them off in Port Au Prince. One could only hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
algboy 0 #50 October 13, 2004 QuoteI'm hoping they were tortured extremely slow and painfully. I could post in detail precise methods for maximum torture pain. It happens more than you think and rightfully so. Numbnuts like you and Rhino are why I rarely read--or respond--to these neo-fascist rants and I why I no longer believe that just because someone jumps out a plane for sport necessarily makes them my compadre. America is becoming a very scary place these days. I see brown shirts on the horizon . . . "They first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up- because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me- and by that time no one was left to speak up. -- Nazi Victim, Pastor Martin Niemoeller“Keep your elbow up!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
