Treejumps 0 #1 October 12, 2004 I was recently frowned upon by a respected friend for using a sterotype abouut gay men. I suggested tt you are far more likely to find them in DC cruising for partners in parks, alleys, or bars than you are to find them with theri longtime partners doing "couples stuff" and generally living the average suburban lifestyle. Sure, this is a sterotype, but like all sterotypes, it is at accurate more often than not, otherwise that would not be the "stereotype". I have plenty of experience with stereotypes, and at 6'9" I can barely remember a day when I was not asked if I play basketball. Why? Becasue many tall people play basketball. There are many stereotypes, and yes, there are always exceptions to them (like me not playing basketball) but by in large they hold true. I suggest to you that sterotypes remain true until the subjects being sterotyped no longer exhibit the behavior being sterotyped, and no sooner. While some may consider sterotyping vulgur, ugly, mean, or otherwise socially unacceptable, it only exists for a reason. Besides, you are all a bunch of luantic skydivers. You are all crazy and have a death wish. Probably a bunch of drug addicts or drunks too. Oops, there I go again with sterotypes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #2 October 12, 2004 Sure, this is a sterotype, but like all sterotypes, it is at accurate more often than not, otherwise that would not be the "stereotype". I think that stereotypes are "the stereotype" because people think they are accurate more often than not.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #3 October 12, 2004 I don't think there is anything in the definition of stereotype that refers to whether it is ever accurate or not. A stereotype is a perception, it is not necessarily reality. QuoteI have plenty of experience with stereotypes, and at 6'9" I can barely remember a day when I was not asked if I play basketball. Why? Becasue many tall people play basketball. So, according to your theory (stereotypes being accurate more often than not), there are more tall people who are basketball players than there are tall people who are not basketball players. I'm willing to bet that there are more tall people in the world who are not basketball players, so I doubt that your theory holds true. Quoteyou are far more likely to find them in DC cruising for partners in parks, alleys The gay friends I have do not cruise parks and alleys looking for partners, and they spend no more time in bars than I do. Of course, I don't spend time cruising parks or alleys myself, so I wouldn't know how many people do that. If YOU spend a lot of time cruising parks and alleys, then I guess you would know better than I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,453 #4 October 12, 2004 Stereotypes lead you to make assumptions about people. In fact, they get in front of you, jump up and down, and demand it. They're based on someone else's knowledge, and encourage you not to develop any of your own personal knowledge. No thanks. I can get into plenty of trouble on my own without following someone else's secondhand ideas around. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 October 12, 2004 LOL! Two of my gay friends have never even BEEN in a bar! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #6 October 12, 2004 I think stereotypes are common, too. I think they are an easy way out when it comes to actually putting thought toward something - whether it's used in a hurtful way (poor people are lazy) or a joking way (white men can't dance). Stereotypes can be a humorous common denominator when making a joke but more often than not they are used as dehumanizing and/or dismissive generalizations. (The stereotype of a stereotype, if you will.) Also, I disagree that the onus of changing a stereotype falls on the shoulders of the stereotyped. If no one used stereotypes, there wouldn't be any. Not one person alive knows all the blonde people, all the black people, all the gay people, all the rich people, all the... Therefore, not a single stereotype is true that is uttered from anyone's mouth. Regarding the context of your question, I think when you're discussing a minority that is fighting for equality - a bit more care should be exercised. love ya tree. ya tall bastard. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #7 October 12, 2004 >I suggested tt you are far more likely to find them in DC cruising for > partners in parks, alleys, or bars than you are to find them with theri > longtime partners doing "couples stuff" and generally living the average > suburban lifestyle. I've seen FAR more of my heterosexual friends cruising in bars for women than my gay friends cruising in bars for men - so I have to doubt this. Where did you get this impression? When you are in gay bars, back alleys and parks after dark, do a lot of guys hit on you? Or did you just hear something once about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #8 October 12, 2004 QuoteI suggested tt you are far more likely to find them in DC cruising for partners in parks, alleys, or bars than you are to find them with theri longtime partners doing "couples stuff" and generally living the average suburban lifestyle. It's amazing how little thought some people put into their opinions! If you see average suburban gay couples you won't know they're gay couples. But if you see leather-wearing faggots fucking in the bushes, you'll notice. At the end of the day you'll remember seeing gay men being crude but you won't remember gay men being respectable. And you'll tell everyone you know, "I've walked around all the parks, alleys, and gay bars in DC and I haven't seen a single gay couple sitting quietly in their home watching TV and eating dinner." (By the way, what are you doing sniffing under the bushes in cruisy parks???) First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #9 October 12, 2004 Stereotypes In my experience have been true and untrue, therefor making them unreliable. You can take any stereotype and use it for every race or group.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #10 October 12, 2004 I think people who rely on stereotypes are stereotypical.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #11 October 12, 2004 QuoteStereotypes In my experience have been true and untrue, therefor making them unreliable. You can take any stereotype and use it for every race or group. There are a variety of sources of sterotypes. Sometimes, people actively promote the stereotype because that is the goal. The stereotype is used to establish the identity. Examples - kids wearing gang colors because they want to be known as tough. Therefore, you can expect gangster behavior from them. Guys wearing cowboy hats Bikers wearing their colors Soccer moms in their vans. People in business suits driving a Lexus. You expect behavior based on the plumage of the animal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 October 12, 2004 QuoteStereotypes In my experience have been true and untrue, therefor making them unreliable. You can take any stereotype and use it for every race or group. For example, I heard Darius is just a 'cracker' (see another post before flaming) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #13 October 12, 2004 QuoteSometimes, people actively promote the stereotype because that is the goal. The stereotype is used to establish the identity. ?? If kids are wearing gang colors, they are associating themselves with a gang. That's not a stereotype. "All kids wearing blue are crips", that's a stereotype. Some kid who puts on blue to try to look like a gangster isn't purposely promoting a stereotype - he's posing. "All soccer moms have mini-vans" is a stereotype (that may or may not be true.) But I doubt soccer moms buy mini-vans to establish their identity. Soccer moms more likely buy mini-vans because they have lots kids to haul around. Bikers wear colors to establish themselves as part of a group. That's not a stereotype. "All bikers wear 'colors'" is a stereotype. Stereotypes are unproven, and untrue as spoken, and lazy. Sometimes they're innocuous and funny - mostly they are not. We all do it. A thought will pass through our minds because of a perception. The difference is when you stop there. Or when you pass off that thought as fact. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #14 October 12, 2004 I'm not sure exactly where I stand on the subject, but I'm quite fond of surround sound. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #15 October 12, 2004 i will never forget that one.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #16 October 12, 2004 I have only one stereotype and it has proven to be very true. It is basically, people are stupid. They are stupid in different ways, and I am no exception to the people are stupid rule, but they are all stupid at one time or another. In reality, I don't give a damn about stereotypes, I don't decide how I feel about a person due to their looks, etc. I treat everyone the same, with the same respect. Each person is their own little planet, so although they may be in the same solar system as a lot of other people, they shouldn't be judged that way. Oh, when my 6'9" tall cousin was asked if he played basketball (he doesn't), he'd just say 'nope. Ping pong' and at the puzzled looks would simply say 'long reach' and walk away. Always cracked me up. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #17 October 13, 2004 Quote>I suggested tt you are far more likely to find them in DC cruising for > partners in parks, alleys, or bars than you are to find them with theri > longtime partners doing "couples stuff" and generally living the average > suburban lifestyle. I've seen FAR more of my heterosexual friends cruising in bars for women than my gay friends cruising in bars for men - so I have to doubt this. Where did you get this impression? When you are in gay bars, back alleys and parks after dark, do a lot of guys hit on you? Or did you just hear something once about it? As far as the cruising-in-parks thing, there have been publicized problems, and arrests, of gay men doing things in the bathrooms, etc. Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, FL, had such a problem and posted signs warning against this behavior and said that the bathrooms were under surveillance. I read a warning against such behavior on the outside wall of a public bathroom bunker in South Beach (Miami Beach). It even contained a typo: it referred to "Florida Statues" instead of statutes. (The world doesn't really care about getting things right, anymore...) I have never heard of heterosexuals meeting up in public bathrooms for illicit sexual activity... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #18 October 13, 2004 QuoteI have never heard of heterosexuals meeting up in public bathrooms for illicit sexual activity... -Jeffrey You are kidding me, right? Why are there now laws against using cell phones to take pictures up a womans skirt in public? How about the mile high club? How about the people at Quincy that were arrested for lewd behavior in public? How about all of those couples that love to have sex in public? Where do you think the "BJ under the dinner table" thing came from? There is a newsgroup just for people that want to have sex in public. Have you heard of Toothing (use blue tooth devices to meet for quick sex in public places)? Do you think all of this came from homosexuals? Look at the voyeur websites on the internet - men putting up sites that spy on women...is that homosexual related? Please tell me you were joking._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #19 October 13, 2004 QuoteI have never heard of heterosexuals meeting up in public bathrooms for illicit sexual activity... -Jeffrey LMAO. I assure you it is one of the most exciting places to have illicit sexual activity. Gotta try it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #20 October 13, 2004 QuoteI have never heard of heterosexuals meeting up in public bathrooms for illicit sexual activity... You are kidding, right? Hell, when my husband was on his way to the Navy, he met a girl on her way to the Army in the airport, and they had a nice little fling in the bathroom before meeting their respective planes. I'm all for public sex. Bathrooms aren't my thing, but we had some fun in an empty movie theater over the weekend So I don't see that gay individuals are any more/less likely than those of us who are non gay. I don't want to stumble upon two people screwing in public regardless of genders involved. Doesn't stop me from doing it. Is that a double standard? Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 October 13, 2004 Quote I have never heard of heterosexuals meeting up in public bathrooms for illicit sexual activity... -Jeffrey Never heard of the Mile-High Club? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 490 #22 October 13, 2004 QuoteNever heard of the Mile-High Club? oh so that's what I am doing wrong - I should stop hitting on the female passengers in order to join the mile high club??Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #23 October 13, 2004 QuoteI have never heard of heterosexuals meeting up in public bathrooms for illicit sexual activity... Come on, Jeffrey... As kinky as you claim to be, and you've never had sex in a public bathroom??? And here's a link that quade recently posted about a hetero couple having sex at the Alamo. The heathens! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,453 #24 October 13, 2004 One thing to consider is that heterosexuals might have a little more trouble with bathrooms in particular. After all, there aren't that many public restrooms where men and women can go in without being remarked on, while the same doesn't hold true about same-sex couples. On the other hand, closets, cubbies, bushes, under desk areas, and the Alamo are all easy for man/woman couples to go into. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #25 October 13, 2004 Who's going to stop me from going into the men's room or vice versa? Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
