rhino 0 #1 October 15, 2004 I've been thinking about this for weeks now... Positives and Negatives of Bush and Kerry... Bush, Positives are you know where he stands and he has like minded people "with the exception of Colon Powell" working for him. Negatives, He walks in Daddy's footsteps trying to measure up. He sometimes makes me feel like times in the Marine Corps where I felt "we have been doing things this way for 200 years and it's tradition, we will not change". Boneheaded if you will and unwilling to adapt intelligently. Bushes families ties to Oil, and Defense contracts, Haliburton. Bush has benefited from what has happened, his family is making millions off of the oil prices being so high. Bush's administration have made the US look like the United States of EGO'S... Our country has the appearance of not giving a damn and having an Ego problem. Everyone wants to knock down the guy with an Ego problem. Bush is unwilling to do what it takes to protect our borders. He says one thing yet "my state of Michigan" Bordered by Canada and Water on 2 sides can be entered on the honor system. Michigan got the 3rd lowest budget in the country for National Defense. PATHETIC. I am beginning to not trust Bush at all. He isn't realistic on the budget, not stating how and where the money will come from to pay down the deficit. Kerry... Honestly having a bit of trouble finding genuine negatives. I don't like the fact that he is willing to spend my tax dollars on abortion. I don't like the fact that he is unwilling to draw out a great plan on protecting the borders, although his is better than Bushes plan. People have been saying he flip flops... Well... In a way that is a sign of intelligence.. He is willing to weigh new data and make intelligent decisions. Kerry has very good reasons for the things we consider flip flops. Upon researching them I feel he is telling the truth. Kerry is open minded, and has actually served in combat, REAL COMBAT, on the ground and will weigh that experience before sending our troops into harms way. I feel he is more intelligent than Bush as a whole. Kerry is going to ad 40,000 more troops to the Army. I feel that is horribly necessary. Personally I would add another 250,000 minimum. Kerry's weakest link is Edwards. I'll add more notes as I continue to think of them.. I've made my decision... I am voting for John Kerry. Barring any major happenstances, My vote will remain the same. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #2 October 15, 2004 Wow, I've got to say that is a pretty decent summary of the traits that you keyed in on as important to you. I hope all the other undecideds out there are able to rationally put together a comparison of issues that is important to them and make an intelligent decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 October 15, 2004 Dammit, there are others. I can't vote for Kerry - I don't trust that guy as far as I could throw him. I can't vote for Bush - I simply think he's mismanaged a number of things, and is seemingly unwilling to do after action reviews of his actions. I can vote Libertarian, as I have the last two elections. I'm voting for Badnarik. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #4 October 15, 2004 QuoteWow, I've got to say that is a pretty decent summary of the traits that you keyed in on as important to you. I hope all the other undecideds out there are able to rationally put together a comparison of issues that is important to them and make an intelligent decision. My wife and I have put alot of thought into this. National Defense is being cut, Education is being cut, Cops, Teachers are losing jobs.. And Bush is standing on the hill saying "It ain't so" har di har har. Let's go play golf. I don't care if Kerry raises taxes. They can raise them all they freaking want as long as they do the damned job correctly. Kerry is just making more sense to me... The more I reality check what Bush is saying the more I am pissed at him... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #5 October 15, 2004 QuoteI can't vote for Kerry - I don't trust that guy as far as I could throw him. I felt this way too.... Until I did some homework... Why don't you trust him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgriffin 0 #6 October 15, 2004 AAAAARRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh! None of the above! Why is it that all of these polls include either the two state approved parties or throw in Nader as a third option? I will be voting for the Constitution, i.e. Badnarik. I have this strange concept that our elected officials should know and understand our own system of government and the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #7 October 15, 2004 A "none of the above" option would be nice. I'm voting Libertarian for President, Republican for federal level, and varying parties for state through town (no, they're not all at once). eidt: so why is it that when more than two candidates are listed, Nader is the third choice? The standard can't be realistic chances in this election, so what gives? You may as well stick to just Rs and Ds.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #8 October 15, 2004 "none of the above?" oops... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #9 October 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteI can't vote for Kerry - I don't trust that guy as far as I could throw him. I felt this way too.... Until I did some homework... Why don't you trust him? He's more liberal that Ted Everything he does is going to be paid for by repealing a tax cut for the people who create jobs He make jobs cost more driving up the cost of labor and killing the economy He has no real plans He has lots of ideas He hasn't done anything in 20 years in Congress In a nutshell, he'll take us to a recession. I think Bush is more likely to keep the economy on life support as it is now. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 October 15, 2004 Several reasons. The first is that he has a long-established history of doing what's "hip" and "cool" for the time. Back from Vietnam? Far out. Let's testify and tell everyone how bad American troops are. Dig it. The second is a degree of dishonesty. GWB caught him in it. Kerry said he wants a world coalition before we take any action. Then Bush pointed out that in Gulf War I we HAD the coalition and Kerry still voted against it. He's a good talker. But, he sounds like the actor-president in "Dave" - he wants jobs for all Americans, but doesn't really say how he's going to accomplish it. A lot of talk. A lot of puffing. But he does not seem to know "how." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 October 15, 2004 Wow, did you take that from the RNC website? That's their party line to the tee. Reinforces my admiration for Rhino looking at specifics instead of just repeating the exact same phrases that Giuliani repeated on every news channel after the last debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #12 October 15, 2004 QuoteHe's more liberal that Ted Everything he does is going to be paid for by repealing a tax cut for the people who create jobs He make jobs cost more driving up the cost of labor and killing the economy He has no real plans He has lots of ideas He hasn't done anything in 20 years in Congress o.k. Nothing of substance here.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InflightSupv 0 #13 October 15, 2004 Reading that you were in the Corps, I assume you are a gun owner. Do you want all your guns to be taken away forever? No matter what the other liberals on this forum say, that is the goal of John Kerry. He has voted for it time and time again. As a matter of fact, He has never voted for any second amendment rights. He wants to trade our sovereignty for the general opinions of some third world leaders through the UN. Having been in the US military, I would think you of all people would get the importance of our sovereignty, regardless if you agree with the fact that we should not be in any certain area of operations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #14 October 15, 2004 QuoteSeveral reasons. The first is that he has a long-established history of doing what's "hip" and "cool" for the time. Back from Vietnam? Far out. Let's testify and tell everyone how bad American troops are. Dig it. Kerry was telling the truth. Something FEW people do even to this day. He voiced "after fighting in" his opinion and testified to what he witnessed in Vietnam. He did not want his fellow soldiers there. Jane Fonda on the other hand is a traitor. Tell me something Kerry did or said that you can prove wasn't the truth? I couldn't find anything myself. I kind of admire him for standing up for his beliefs. QuoteKerry said he wants a world coalition before we take any action. Then Bush pointed out that in Gulf War I we HAD the coalition and Kerry still voted against it. Not exactly... You need to look a little deeper on this issue. We all know Kerry stated he wouldn't give any other nation Veto power over protecting our nations security. You say he voted against the first Gulf War? Can you prove that for me? He has stated how he will accomplish jobs. Some people just don't agree. Hell I like the Bush tax cut. But the last thing he should be doing is lowering taxes and driving up the debt all the while OIL prices are sitting at $55 a barrell and his family is making a killing. What is REALLY happening in the background is Bush is masking the OIL business behind the tax cuts. Kerry HAS a plan to get us off of foreign oil dependency. Bush's family depends on the foreign oil market. Kerry does sound smarter than Bush. Because he is smarter. He holds himself better, he thinks more. He adapts, thinks, reasons, listens and is more in tune with what is really going on. Bush is all about power and ego. That is what his family has stood for for decades. Power and Ego. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #15 October 15, 2004 QuoteReading that you were in the Corps, I assume you are a gun owner. Do you want all your guns to be taken away forever? I am and this will never happen... Not even if a President wants it to. QuoteHe wants to trade our sovereignty for the general opinions of some third world leaders through the UN. PLease show me an example? Quoteimportance of our sovereignty What does that mean to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #16 October 15, 2004 Come on people... Lets vote... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #17 October 16, 2004 QuoteWow, did you take that from the RNC website? That's their party line to the tee. Reinforces my admiration for Rhino looking at specifics instead of just repeating the exact same phrases that Giuliani repeated on every news channel after the last debate. Take it apart line by line. Your admiration of Rhino is solely because he agrees with you. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #18 October 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteEverything he does is going to be paid for by repealing a tax cut for the people who create jobs He make jobs cost more driving up the cost of labor and killing the economy o.k. Nothing of substance here.... So how's Kerry going to do it? His numbers don't add up and taxes will kill the economy. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #19 October 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteSeveral reasons. The first is that he has a long-established history of doing what's "hip" and "cool" for the time. Back from Vietnam? Far out. Let's testify and tell everyone how bad American troops are. Dig it. Kerry was telling the truth. Something FEW people do even to this day. He voiced "after fighting in" his opinion and testified to what he witnessed in Vietnam. He did not want his fellow soldiers there. Jane Fonda on the other hand is a traitor. Tell me something Kerry did or said that you can prove wasn't the truth? I couldn't find anything myself. I kind of admire him for standing up for his beliefs. Did Kerry do all the bad shit he testified to or not? He didn't testify to anything that he actual witnessed in Vietnam or at least he's distanced himself from it. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #20 October 16, 2004 QuoteHe has stated how he will accomplish jobs. Some people just don't agree. Hell I like the Bush tax cut. But the last thing he should be doing is lowering taxes and driving up the debt all the while OIL prices are sitting at $55 a barrell and his family is making a killing. What is REALLY happening in the background is Bush is masking the OIL business behind the tax cuts. Kerry HAS a plan to get us off of foreign oil dependency. Bush's family depends on the foreign oil market. Greenspan's interest rate have caused the rise in price of oil. Compare it to the rise in euro. PhillyKev believes it related to the debt. It has nothing to do with oil. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #21 October 16, 2004 QuoteYour admiration of Rhino is solely because he agrees with you. While that may be true let me make it very clear that I came to my decision based off of my own experiences and research. I am not part of a group or any party. I am an American who simply made a decision on whom I am going to vote for. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #22 October 16, 2004 QuoteSo how's Kerry going to do it? His numbers don't add up and taxes will kill the economy. What are his numbers? Show me something of substance please? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #23 October 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo how's Kerry going to do it? His numbers don't add up and taxes will kill the economy. What are his numbers? Show me something of substance please? Start with his website: "Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan." http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/ Okay, so how much was the top 1-2% tax cut in the first place -- $600M? How many people are there in this country (300M-ish)? How much is he going to cut taxes? How is he going to pay for his new healthcare program, etc? That says nothing about reducing the deficit, etc. I'll look for more. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #24 October 16, 2004 Quoteso how much was the top 1-2% tax cut in the first place -- $600M? I recall reading in one of the fact check articles that the top 2% pay about 35% of the taxes collected and the other 98% paid 33% of the taxes. P.s. Don't quote me on the exact #'s since I'm going by memory. Ido recall that it was in the mid 30% range and the 98% was lowerI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmadmax 8 #25 October 16, 2004 I really want to know what Kerry has done the last 20 or so years. He is not running on his record...so what did he accomplish? Don't go away mad....just go away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
