DNC memo urges activists to make thing up

[sundevil777 102]

Is there no limit to how low they will go to win? When you feel entitled to political power without the irritating need to be elected, ethics/morality will suffer.

Can't post the video link directly. Click on the "lawsuits everywhere" link on the far right side under the "you decide 2004" list.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112935,00.html

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[skycop 0]

Hmmm........
And this is surprising? It's only the beginning.....
Taken from the playbook of Michael Moore and the like, when it doubt whine, kick, and scream. Sooner or later someone will listen, (mainly just to get the person(s) to shut up).

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[billvon 2,996]

>When you fel entitled to political power without the irritating need to
>be elected, ethics/morality will suffer.

Apparently the dems will get activists to lie about stuff; the republicans will shred democrat's voter registrations if they feel threatened. Not sure either one is better than the other.

[sundevil777 102]

The evidence of repubs shredding registrations is perhaps not so strong. Just one person's claim, right?

I think there is a HUGE difference between the DNC (THE NATIONAL LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY) and some individual at the lowest level that takes it upon themselves to do wrong.

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Not sure either one is better than the other.

I am quite sure that one is not as bad as the other. What is not clear about that?

If the DNC wants to claim that the memo is not real, they are keeping very quiet about it.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[PhreeZone 20]

You'd think that the republicans would'nt have stepped down if the alligations were not true in South Dakota.

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[billvon 2,996]

> Just one person's claim, right?

Three separate claims in three states. Several witnesses. Official announcements here in San Diego that your voter registration should be verified because this shit goes on. So a little more than one person's claim.

>I think there is a HUGE difference between the DNC (THE NATIONAL
> LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY) and some individual that takes it upon
> themselves to do wrong.

And I think there's a huge difference between telling someone to make stuff up and elections fraud. But that's just me.

[sundevil777 102]

I think tearing up registrations probably happens quite often.

People that work/volunteer their time for one side are obviously very eager/motivated to help, and feel the power that they can wield if they choose to do wrong. Very tempting, unfortunately.

The big difference is that the National leadership sent the memo. they are the official spokespeople of the party. Big difference, in my opinion.

Eric, what was the Dakota incident. I didn't catch that one.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[PhreeZone 20]

At about 3/7 to 7/8's the way through it they mention it briefly. 5 people resigned over the allagation that they falsified absente ballot info. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65437,00.htmlhttp://www.indianz.com/News/2004/004738.asp

Its bad on both sides. I wish we could start over from scratch and make all new parties.

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[sundevil777 102]

There's Fox News for you, Fair and Balanced!

I still think that you should have to prove citizenship to register. I certainly don't remember having to do that, does anyone else?

Here's an idea - require ID to register/vote, or put ink on your thumb to prevent people from voting multiple times, just like in Afghanistan!

Then we would probably have allegations of evil, racist Repubs attacking minorities to mark their thumbs before they could vote.

Eric, maybe no air time this weekend, eh?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[PhreeZone 20]

Weather sucks... hopefully Sunday
To get my absentee ballot I had to show my licence, no issue with that. I did see that in my ballot there is an insert "Nader is no longer on the ballot in Ohio, any votes other then write in for Nader will not be counted"

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[sundevil777 102]

You mean Nader was still on the ballot, but you would have to write him in instead of selecting him the usual way, like the ballots should have been reprinted but weren't?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[sundevil777 102]

Holy Shit!

I just saw how the 2001 and the current Dem campaign manual advise that even if no evidence of voter intimidation exists, to issue a press release, prime minority leadership to discuss the issue, and place stories expressing concern about potential intimidation in the local media! What the fuck is that!

Again, I can't post the link directly to the video, but it is on the right side, "Politics of Fear".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112935,00.html

To those that criticise Fox News, can you sincerely say that this story doesn't deserve national attention? Where is Dan Rather with this story? Never gonna happen, Dem misdeads are given a pass because they deserve to win, right?

Of course what they advocate is not illegal, just terribly embarrasing and does not make them look good to the 'swing voter'.

It is no longer just a memo to a few, this is the campaign manual!

What balls they have!

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[PhreeZone 20]

Exactly... I bet on the final versions in the booths its corrected, but all the absentee ballot books sent out need the correction.

Badnarik is on the ballot as is Peroutka but Nader is not.

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[tkhayes 348]

New Headline - "Replublican Government actually DID makes things up - Thousands DIE!"

TK

[Jimbo 0]

News Headline - "Kerry saw the same intelligence as Bush and voted to go, too!"

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Jim

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News Headline - "Kerry saw the same intelligence as Bush and voted to go, too!"

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Jim

But that intelligence came from an agency Bush controls and whose head reports to Bush and which, like any organization in the world, is influenced by political pressures from the boss.

Further, Kerry voted to give Bush authority, he did not vote to go regardless of UNMOVIC reports of Iraqi compliance.

[Jimbo 0]

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But that intelligence came from an agency Bush controls and whose head reports to Bush and which, like any organization in the world, is influenced by political pressures from the boss.

OK, then I can only assume that John Kerry didn't know where the intelligence came from. Right? If that's the case, then like you claim of Bush, John Kerry made a MAJOR mistake there!

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Further, Kerry voted to give Bush authority, he did not vote to go regardless of UNMOVIC reports of Iraqi compliance.

Kerry knew EXACTLY what he was doing. Kerry voted against giving the President the ability to use force in the first Gulf War because he knew that a vote to authorize the use of force meant war, no bones about it. Are you telling me that he didn't realize that an authorization to use force this time didn't mean war this time around?

Based on your arguments, Kerry doesn't seem to bright, does he?

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[sundevil777 102]

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Further, Kerry voted to give Bush authority, he did not vote to go regardless of UNMOVIC reports of Iraqi compliance.

Kerry voted for a resolution that gave complete authority to the pres. Just cause he gets on the senate floor and would like to qualify his vote, doesn't change the wording of the resolution. If he didn't like the language of the resolution, he should have voted no.

When is an intelligence agency not subject to pressure? Clinton made regime change in Iraq and official policy goal. Bush had the guts to do it.

Can you imagine the uproar if the Repub natl committee had such an election manual. There would be such an uproar/demand for apology. I bet Dan Rather-biased would report that story.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[dropoutdave 0]

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There's Fox News for you, Fair and Balanced!

Bwaaaahahahhaaha, funny.

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[sundevil777 102]

They covered both sides of the story.

I can't find this story on CNN.com.

I think it would be all over the front pages if Repubs had such instructions in their campaign manual.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 2,996]

>"Kerry saw the same intelligence as Bush and voted to go, too!"

Remember before the war, when all the conservatives were saying "What are you, stupid? Bush has all sorts of accurate, super secret intelligence that he'll reveal when he's good and ready! They don't tell that stuff to just anyone." Now it's become "Hey, everyone had the same bad intelligence; the mistake wasn't any one person's fault."

[tkhayes 348]

Woohoo I struck a nerve! - look at all that great discussion.

The intellgignece was BUSH's responsibility. His and His ONLY.

If you think Kerry as a senator had access to everything Bush supposedly knew, then you are fucking dreaming.

At that time, he was a lowly senator, and like most of us, believed what he was told. I did too. But y'know what? It was WRONG.

It was BUSH's responsisbility, if not totally his fault. And he was WRONG. And thousands of people are dead because of the decisions he made. And most of them, including American Soldiers, did not need to die.

This is a 'cheap shot' war, run to make some texas fuckhead get his own way, with billions of dollars in cost, thousands of lives lost, and a reason to continue the war as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Today, they declared Muqtada al-Sadr and his organiztion 'terrorists' instead of 'insurgents'. Way to go! Change the rules so you can pursue what YOU started on a whole different set of rules.

What a fucking joke!

TK

[mnealtx 0]

If I recall correctly, Senator Kerry is on the Intelligence Committee... so yes, he probably had access to most, if not all, of the same intel that the President did.

Of course, Senator Kerry also can't be bothered to show up for the committee meetings, or read the briefs, so...

Mike
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[tkhayes 348]

http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/about/committee.html
I do not see an intelligence committee assignment in there anywhere
TK

[mnealtx 0]

Strange, you can find mention of it all over the place, here.

Note: Senator Kerry is no longer a member of the Intelligence Committee, so I was incorrect there. However, it doesn't look like I was wrong at all on his attendance. He only made it to 11 out of 49 meetings? WTF???

Mike
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