DNC memo urges activists to make thing up

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http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/about/committee.html
I do not see an intelligence committee assignment in there anywhere
TK

You need to look harder.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=241

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Jim

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[tunaplanet 0]

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I just saw how the 2001 and the current Dem campaign manual advise that even if no evidence of voter intimidation exists, to issue a press release, prime minority leadership to discuss the issue, and place stories expressing concern about potential intimidation in the local media!

This is why I can't bring myself to support any Democrat. The entire party is corrupt and never ceaes to stop lying.

It's quite ok, though. In the end common decency will prevail on 11-2. There's a reason Kerry has been snowballing downhill in the Electoral Polls. People are seeing him for the man that he is. A liar who can't take a stand on any one issue. He's trying to be everyone's candidate instead of rolling up his sleeves and drawing the line in the sand standing up for what he believes in.

This is why most people like Bush and why he will without a doubt win this election. He's a good man. He's honest. He's one of us. When I see Bush I see someone I could walk into a bar with and have a beer and just talk. He's a good man with even better character, morals and common decency.

That is why Bush will win. The majority of the American people see and know this.

Forty-two

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During the time in which the debates leading up to granting presidental power for Iraq Kerry was not part of that committee so he would not have had any infomation different then any other senator.

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Kerry was not part of that committee so he would not have had any infomation different then any other senator.

What information did he have when he said, "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

Or what about this comment? "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."



Better yet, what intel did all of these people have when they made these comments.....


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

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Kerry was not part of that committee so he would not have had any infomation different then any other senator.

What information did he have when he said, "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

He was correct, and once the UN inspectors were let back in it was shown that this had been achieved. Did you read Blix's last report before he was forced (by Bush) to leave?

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He was correct, and once the UN inspectors were let back in it was shown that this had been achieved. Did you read Blix's last report before he was forced (by Bush) to leave?

I believe that would be this report, would it not? The one from right before we went into Iraq?

The one that says, in part:

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Chemical weapons
The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.

Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tonnes and that the quality was poor and the product unstable. Consequently, it was said, that the agent was never weaponised. Iraq said that the small quantity of agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared.

There are also indications that the agent was weaponised. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals, which Iraq states were lost during bombing in the Gulf War or were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq.

I would now like to turn to the so-called “Air Force document” that I have discussed with the Council before. This document was originally found by an UNSCOM inspector in a safe in Iraqi Air Force Headquarters in 1998 and taken from her by Iraqi minders. It gives an account of the expenditure of bombs, including chemical bombs, by Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War. I am encouraged by the fact that Iraq has now provided this document to UNMOVIC.

The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.

The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions.

The investigation of these rockets is still proceeding. Iraq states that they were overlooked from 1991 from a batch of some 2,000 that were stored there during the Gulf War. This could be the case. They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for.

The finding of the rockets shows that Iraq needs to make more effort to ensure that its declaration is currently accurate. During my recent discussions in Baghdad, Iraq declared that it would make new efforts in this regard and had set up a committee of investigation. Since then it has reported that it has found a further 4 chemical rockets at a storage depot in Al Taji.

I might further mention that inspectors have found at another site a laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor.

Whilst I am addressing chemical issues, I should mention a matter, which I reported on 19 December 2002, concerning equipment at a civilian chemical plant at Al Fallujah. Iraq has declared that it had repaired chemical processing equipment previously destroyed under UNSCOM supervision, and had installed it at Fallujah for the production of chlorine and phenols. We have inspected this equipment and are conducting a detailed technical evaluation of it. On completion, we will decide whether this and other equipment that has been recovered by Iraq should be destroyed.

Biological weapons
I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.

Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991.

As I reported to the Council on 19 December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kg, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as imported in Iraq’s submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As part of its 7 December 2002 declaration, Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document, but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered.

In the letter of 24 January to the President of the Council, Iraq’s Foreign Minister stated that “all imported quantities of growth media were declared”. This is not evidence. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 litres of concentrated anthrax.

Missiles
I turn now to the missile sector. There remain significant questions as to whether Iraq retained SCUD-type missiles after the Gulf War. Iraq declared the consumption of a number of SCUD missiles as targets in the development of an anti-ballistic missile defence system during the 1980s. Yet no technical information has been produced about that programme or data on the consumption of the missiles.

There has been a range of developments in the missile field during the past four years presented by Iraq as non-proscribed activities. We are trying to gather a clear understanding of them through inspections and on-site discussions.

Two projects in particular stand out. They are the development of a liquid-fuelled missile named the Al Samoud 2, and a solid propellant missile, called the Al Fatah. Both missiles have been tested to a range in excess of the permitted range of 150 km, with the Al Samoud 2 being tested to a maximum of 183 km and the Al Fatah to 161 km. Some of both types of missiles have already been provided to the Iraqi Armed Forces even though it is stated that they are still undergoing development.

The Al Samoud’s diameter was increased from an earlier version to the present 760 mm. This modification was made despite a 1994 letter from the Executive Chairman of UNSCOM directing Iraq to limit its missile diameters to less than 600 mm. Furthermore, a November 1997 letter from the Executive Chairman of UNSCOM to Iraq prohibited the use of engines from certain surface-to-air missiles for the use in ballistic missiles.

During my recent meeting in Baghdad, we were briefed on these two programmes. We were told that the final range for both systems would be less than the permitted maximum range of 150 km.

These missiles might well represent prima facie cases of proscribed systems. The test ranges in excess of 150 km are significant, but some further technical considerations need to be made, before we reach a conclusion on this issue. In the mean time, we have asked Iraq to cease flight tests of both missiles.

In addition, Iraq has refurbished its missile production infrastructure. In particular, Iraq reconstituted a number of casting chambers, which had previously been destroyed under UNSCOM supervision. They had been used in the production of solid-fuel missiles. Whatever missile system these chambers are intended for, they could produce motors for missiles capable of ranges significantly greater than 150 km.

Also associated with these missiles and related developments is the import, which has been taking place during the last few years, of a number of items despite the sanctions, including as late as December 2002. Foremost amongst these is the import of 380 rocket engines which may be used for the Al Samoud 2.

Iraq also declared the recent import of chemicals used in propellants, test instrumentation and, guidance and control systems. These items may well be for proscribed purposes. That is yet to be determined. What is clear is that they were illegally brought into Iraq, that is, Iraq or some company in Iraq, circumvented the restrictions imposed by various resolutions.

It's amazing what you learn when you actually READ the report rather than going by what ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN tell you, hmmm?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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so he left the committee 9 months BEFORE 9/11?

That makes TOTAL sense now - of course he would have had access to the 'bad intelligencee'

thanks for proving my point for me, saved me the search work

As I said earlier, he voted for the war because he had only what the government told him - lies, and more lies, just like the rest of us.

[tkhayes 348]

As i said in the other post - he apparently LEFT the committee long before 9/11 ever happened. so agin I state that he would NOT have access to the intelligence that supposedly supported a war in Iraq, thanks for helping with my arguement.

Bush is a liar - a war criminal. He will bankrupt and isolate this country from the rest of the world.

Your tax bill will eventually increase no matter WHO is running the country in order to pay for the war. And the only people who will get rich will be the CEO's of military and arms suppliers, the cronies that feed this government.

Power breeds power, it is corrupt, and you are blind to it. The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. History easily demonstrates that this will eventually rupture into civil strife and possibly internal wars. But the rich guys do not care, they will ship their money and assets overseas to protect it -

Bush today accused Kerry of 'scare tactics' saying there will be a draft. I accuse Bush of 'scare tactics' by feeding the american public the biggest line of bullshit about terrorism the world as ever seen.

"Keep 'em scared - they will let us do ANYTHING'. So far it is working.

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And again, did you actually READ what Blix said in the body of his report, or are you so focussed on hating Bush that YOU'RE blinded to it?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I thought this post was about the DNC memos.

Nice sidetrack though - but this has been beaten to death.

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Agreed - I apologize for the hijack

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[penniless 0]

Nice cut and paste job.

However, everything prior to the return of the inspectors is moot. Once Blix and his team were back in country, we were getting new intel. Unfortunately Bush didn't like what they were saying (and we now know it was the truth). Bush told them to get out, ignored their report, and invaded. Clinton, Albright, Edwards, Kerry etc. had NOTHING to do with that (poor) decision.

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Got that out of the DNC manual, huh?

Forty-two

[sundevil777 102]

Not much comment from Kerry supporters about the DNC campaign manual (approved by the Kerry campaign also). I heard a DNC spokesman this morning addressing it, doing a terrible job of trying to defend it, so they are not denying the validity of the document.

Anyone else willing to defend the strategy, official from the top leadership, of make it up before it happens?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Got that out of the DNC manual, huh?

No, I got it directly from God.

[tkhayes 348]

yes and they ALL said that based on lies and bad intelligence, of which the current government is not taking any responsibility for. Which is why they should be removed from office and charged with war crimes.

Let's say for example that Saddam justified his invasion of Kuwait in 1990 using the same logic. I invaded because I saw a threat - opps, I was wrong, but since we are already here, we will stay and finish the job.

get real

[Kennedy 0]

Do you have any comments about the DNC manual and its adivce to make things up (aka lie to the media)?

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[TheAnvil 0]

Of course he doesn't Kennedy. TK has chosen the route most familiar to him - that of denigrating anything and everything to do with GWB's decisions with regards to Iraq. Answering tough questions like the one you posed would force him to come to grips with some truths about his man sKerry with which he just isn't quite ready to deal as of yet.

Quite humorous, truth be told.

Since we're quite accustomed to having Dem's lie to us on all manners of issues, I guess finding such plans shouldn't really be that big of a surprise to any of us.

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I'm resurrecting this thread because I think it deserves mention again what the Democratic National Committee, not a single rogue activist or small group - no, the official leadership, authorized before, and what they will do again.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 2,998]

>I think it deserves mention again what the Democratic National
> Committee, not a single rogue activist - no, the official leadership,
> authorized before, and what they will do again.

Here's what the RNCC IS doing:

A GOP computer calls a local resident. It says "Dianne Farrell has some information for you" and continues on with a general message for a moment. Then after a while it launches into "bad stuff about Dianne Farrell" and at the end makes the legally-required "paid for by the RNCC" statement. The ad is cleverly worded so the first 10 seconds sound like an ad FOR Farrell, the democratic candidate.

Most people, of course, just hang up during the first 10 seconds. The computer then calls them back 7-8 times over the course of 30 minutes, usually around dinner time. Joe Voter then gets really pissed off at Dianne Farrell. Democratic campaigns have been getting complaints by the thousands over these misleading calls.

Looks like it might cost the GOP serious money, though. Many of the people they've called are on the no-call lists for their respective states, and the fines for violations of that law are pretty stiff AND go by call. So they're going to get hit with fines 7-8 times per voter they go after. It also may get them in more serious legal trouble - the New Hampshire attorney general is looking into it.

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>I think it deserves mention again what the Democratic National
> Committee, not a single rogue activist - no, the official leadership,
> authorized before, and what they will do again.

Here's what the RNCC IS doing:

A GOP computer calls a local resident. It says "Dianne Farrell has some information for you" and continues on with a general message for a moment. Then after a while it launches into "bad stuff about Dianne Farrell" and at the end makes the legally-required "paid for by the RNCC" statement. The ad is cleverly worded so the first 10 seconds sound like an ad FOR Farrell, the democratic candidate.

Most people, of course, just hang up during the first 10 seconds. The computer then calls them back 7-8 times over the course of 30 minutes, usually around dinner time. Joe Voter then gets really pissed off at Dianne Farrell. Democratic campaigns have been getting complaints by the thousands over these misleading calls.

Looks like it might cost the GOP serious money, though. Many of the people they've called are on the no-call lists for their respective states, and the fines for violations of that law are pretty stiff AND go by call. So they're going to get hit with fines 7-8 times per voter they go after. It also may get them in more serious legal trouble - the New Hampshire attorney general is looking into it.

How about a story to back this up???

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I think I recall seeing a story about that... if they broke the law then they deserve what happens to them.

I just saw a blog about some shady goings-on in Philly (quoted below)... no confirmation on any news sites yet, so I'm hoping it's hearsay...the country doesn't need this shit!

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In wards 7, 19, 51 in Philly, PA, the crowds are going wild. Inside several voting locations, individuals have poured white out onto the polling books and the poll workers are allowing voters to go into the polls and vote without first registering. Several individuals are on hand demanding that voters vote straight Democrat.

RNC lawyers have headed to the scene of the incidents, which are occurring in mostly hispanic precinct locations. The District Attorney has also been contacted.

More from the ground: Reports of voter intimidation by son-in-law of Philadelphia City Commissioner in 19th Ward. Carlos Mantos is not allowing Republican poll watchers with valid poll-watching certificates monitor polling places.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Evidently, it's true.

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Claims Of Voter Intimidation Under Investigation

(CBS 3) PHILADELPHIA Authorities are investigating several claims of voter intimidation in Philadelphia on Election Day.

Officials said approximately a dozen claims were filed stating they were being interfered with as they entered the D and Clearfield polling place in Kensington.

The District Attorney’s office and Philadelphia Police are looking into the accusations.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billvon 2,998]

From Colorado:

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The headquarters for Jay Fawcett's campaign for Colorado's 5th Congressional District was vandalized overnight and a death threat - the third such threat - was also emailed to Fawcett. Both incidents have been reported to the police.

As voters headed to the polls, Fawcett campaign volunteers arriving at campaign offices were greeted with a vile "Skunk" aroma, making it virtually impossible to conduct work there. The campaign is expecting more than 200 people to come through the offices today to help with Get Out The Vote and Poll Watching efforts.

"Don't let these hooligans deter you from exercising your Constitutional right to vote," said Fawcett. "It's time to take a stand against these attacks."

This is the second time the Fawcett Campaign has been vandalized. Last Tuesday the Campaign Finance Director's car was covered in the skunk smell, while parked out front of the El Paso County Republican Office.

"I find it disgusting that, as we are fighting for Democracy in Iraq, people are besmirching Democracy here in Colorado Springs," said Fawcett Campaign Manager Wanda James. "Death threats and childish illegal activities will not deter us from getting out the vote to victory today."
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I'm resurrecting this thread because I think it deserves mention again what the Democratic National Committee, not a single rogue activist or small group - no, the official leadership, authorized before, and what they will do again.

They learned it from the master, Karl Rove.

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