AggieDave 6 #1 October 17, 2004 No, it can't be true, since there is no liberal bias in the media...atleast according to the liberals there's no bias. Clicky QuoteNY Times endorses Kerry 17/10/2004 09:19 - (SA) New York - The New York Times endorsed John Kerry for president on Sunday, becoming the first major US daily to announce its presidential preference, and was joined by small papers in the swing states of Ohio and Minnesota in backing the Democratic senator. Kerry's "wide knowledge and clear thinking" are the makings of "a great chief executive," the Times said in a lengthy editorial published 16 days before Americans head to the polls on November 2. The Times said that while Kerry's candidacy initially seemed mostly to tap into public dissatisfaction with US President George W Bush, over time "we have come to know Mr Kerry as more than just an alternative to the status quo. "We like what we've seen," the editorial said. "He has qualities that could be the basis for a great chief executive, not just a modest improvement on the incumbent" the Times said, including a willingness to "re-evaluate decisions when conditions change" and a "strong moral core." The Times' backing is one of the most coveted and influential of any endorsement during the US presidential campaign, although given the newspaper's somewhat left-of-centre tendency, not entirely unexpected. As for Bush, the Times had few kind words in calling for the end of his presidency, which the paper's editors referred to as "disastrous." The daily enumerated a litany of complaints - from the war in Iraq to tax cuts for the well-to-do, to his "disrespect for civil liberties and inept management" - in calling for his dismissal. 'Has squandered trust of the people' "We look back on the past four years with hearts nearly breaking, both for the lives unnecessarily lost and for the opportunities so casually wasted," the Times said. The US justice department has not produced any successful terrorism prosecution and has "squandered much of the trust and patience the American people gave so freely in 2001." Bush's rationale for the war on Iraq has been "debunked," but "none of the president's chief advisers have ever been held accountable for their misrepresentations to the American people or for their mismanagement of the war that followed," the Times charged. International outrage over the war has turned into "disdain for the incompetence of the effort," and the administration is now "radioactive in the Muslim world," it said. "Heads of rogue states, including Iran and North Korea, have been taught decisively that the best protection against a pre-emptive American strike is to acquire nuclear weapons themselves." The Dayton Daily News of Dayton, Ohio, the Star-Tribune of Minneapolis, Minnesota and the Boston Globe joined the Times in backing Kerry on Sunday. Edited by Tisha Steyn--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #2 October 17, 2004 I'm not so sure that given the editorial commentary by certain writers like Safire, that it's fair to say that they have a liberal bias. But I'm guessing that you've never even read a piece by Safire, so you don't know what I'm talking about... The pieces that they print are often objective and well rounded, with interpretations and commentaries and articles from people with a variety of political opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 October 17, 2004 That's the editorial commentary (yes I do know who Safire is), but when the paper's leaders claim it to be liberal, I would say "ok" so its true.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #4 October 17, 2004 QuoteThat's the editorial commentary (yes I do know who Safire is), but when the paper's leaders claim it to be liberal, I would say "ok" so its true. OK, but if they have writers that are right, left, liberal, green, etc, why are they bias?... It's more like liberal objective or some thing.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 October 17, 2004 QuoteIt's more like liberal objective or some thing.. There, that's my point. That it does have a liberal objective, the writers themselves may not have a bias, BUT a paper with a liberal objective will tend to pick and choose what news gets printed and where in the paper it gets printed. See my point.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #6 October 17, 2004 The Chicago Tribune is often accused by conservatives of being "liberal", yet it endorsed Bush in 2000. In fact, throughout its long history it has endorsed way more Republicans than Democrats. I think conservatives just use the term "liberal" to describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether it has real bias. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 October 17, 2004 QuoteI think conservatives just use the term "liberal" to describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether it has real bias. And I think the liberals defend what they want to, turning a blind eye to the obvious. Such as a direct example, the NY Times publicly endorsing Franken-Kerry. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #8 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think conservatives just use the term "liberal" to describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether it has real bias. And I think the liberals defend what they want to, turning a blind eye to the obvious. Such as a direct example, the NY Times publicly endorsing Franken-Kerry. This is a little too simple minded for me: Those who endorse/support Kerry are Liberal and turn a blind eye to the obvious, which is exemplified by the NY Times endorsing Kerry? This makes a whole lot of sense. I think that the NY Times represents the viewpoint of an Urban environment with a variety of opinions and viewpoints... The fact that they publish articles that includes a variety of viewpoints to a broad politically minded audience, does not make them biased, it makes them objective, and more rounded than most media outlets The fact that they've endorsed Kerry says nothing more than they believe that Bush is not the stronger of the 2 candidates, and that Kerry has more public experience, a better plan, and is better suited for the position of President. They're endorsing the Democratic candidate over the Republican candidate, not the liberal candidate over the conservative candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #9 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteI think conservatives just use the term "liberal" to describe anything they don't like, regardless of whether it has real bias. And I think the liberals defend what they want to, turning a blind eye to the obvious. Such as a direct example, the NY Times publicly endorsing Franken-Kerry. I didn't see anything about Franken in the article. Was that supposed to be humorous? Why should anyone turn a blind eye to the NYT's endorsing Kerry. Bush is a disgrace to the office, and that is pretty much what the NYT said.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #10 October 17, 2004 QuoteBush is a disgrace to the office Thanks for your opinion. We'll add that to the 6 billion others in the world. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 October 17, 2004 QuoteI didn't see anything about Franken in the article. Was that supposed to be humorous? Hey, I've got to do something...as much as I've been studying the past 4 days getting prepaired for midterms my mind has kicked into stupid humor mode. So yup, I thought it was funny, its actually a reference to a photoshop contest on Fark a few months ago, I imagine, though, only a couple people on DZ.com would catch the reference. So continue to discuss among yourselves, I just wanted to get this one started, stir the pot just a hair (not much) and let it go. Enjoy yourselves...I have another paper to write and some more Spanish to memorize.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #12 October 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteBush is a disgrace to the office Thanks for your opinion. We'll add that to the 6 billion others in the world. I didn't realize that there are 6 billion other people who think Bush is a disgrace to the office of President. But I can't say I'm surprised.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #13 October 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteBush is a disgrace to the office Thanks for your opinion. We'll add that to the 6 billion others in the world. I didn't realize that there are 6 billion other people who think Bush is a disgrace to the office of President. But I can't say I'm surprised. I doubt that your interpretation is what he meant. Is Bush's disgrace anything like Bill Clinton's (and his wife's)? Is it more like Mario Cuomo (former NY gov.) whoring himself to DORITOS for t.v. commercials? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #14 October 18, 2004 Oh no, The NY Times and Kallend have endorsed Kerry for President. I must change my vote now. Afterall, I'm just a dumb sheep. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #15 October 18, 2004 QuoteOh no, The NY Times and Kallend have endorsed Kerry for President. I must change my vote now. Afterall, I'm just a dumb sheep. I realize that "your brain hurts" to quote your avatar, but where did Kallend make an endorsement for Kerry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #16 October 18, 2004 The Chicago Tribune endorsed Bush as of this weekend. They are part of the media, and they are not supporting a liberal candidate. Shoots that theory to hell about ALL media has a liberal bias. No? Also, as a reminder, the Chicago Tribune is one of the largest newspaper publications in this country._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #17 October 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteBush is a disgrace to the office Thanks for your opinion. We'll add that to the 6 billion others in the world. I didn't realize that there are 6 billion other people who think Bush is a disgrace to the office of President. But I can't say I'm surprised. The intersting thing, John, is that he points out how one person's opinion doesn't count or matter because there are 6 billion other people. Then he lets us know his opinion. Flip Flop?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #18 October 18, 2004 Yeah, but his opinion is the right opinion, right.hehe ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #19 October 18, 2004 Brent Bozell would disagree with those claiming there is no bias in the media...as would Bernie Goldberg...Bozell's arguments and conclusions are solid and irrefutable. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #20 October 18, 2004 QuoteBrent Bozell would disagree with those claiming there is no bias in the media...as would Bernie Goldberg...Bozell's arguments and conclusions are solid and irrefutable. Of course there's bias in the media. Newspapers and broadcast media outlets are overwhelmingly owned by rich capitalists.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
