Gravitymaster 0 #26 October 19, 2004 You still haven't told us how you Know what terrorists are thinking. Lots of blah, blah, blah but no yaw, yaw, yaw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #27 October 19, 2004 QuoteNot the experts that are benefiting in financial ways. So you like working for free huh?__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 October 19, 2004 It's so cool when you see somebody finally have one of those "ahh ha!" moments. Rhino, several of us have been saying these things for quite a while and I never really expected to ever see anyone of the true believers in the Bush camp to ever change his mind based on anything. I can't tell you how glad this makes me that at least somebody had an open mind.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #29 October 19, 2004 QuoteRight, nevermind if in those 4 years terrorist attacks on america are rampant, Iraq and the other countries are afraid of Bush, if you mess with him, he'll bomb the shit out of you, And apparently that stategy has worked. In fact Cheney mentioned in Ohio today the biggest threat we have is a terrorist using a Nuke or Chemical agent in the middle of our cities. If that is still the biggest threat we have, then the GW admin has done nothing to lessen that threat. In fact, his imperialistic, authoritarian, war-monger attitude has made it even worse. So, despite bombing two countries into rubble, the threat is still there, as per Cheney's own words. Hell, we can't even keep the terrorists out of the highly guarded, military run green zone._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #30 October 19, 2004 QuoteYou still haven't told us how you Know what terrorists are thinking. Lots of blah, blah, blah but no yaw, yaw, yaw. I'm sorry... It's called common sense... You know what I mean? Besides, no one knows what the terrorists are thing. That's clearly a rhetorical question full of wit and enthusiastic scarcism. Did you saw yaw, yaw, yaw? ... yawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #31 October 19, 2004 QuoteIn fact Cheney mentioned in Ohio today the biggest threat we have is a terrorist using a Nuke or Chemical agent in the middle of our cities Yes, they are a thread, that's why we need to take the necessary precautions and reinforce our security, and keep an eye open all the time.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #32 October 19, 2004 And not add fuel to the fire? While Bush may have put out a fire or two - he is still responsible for setting more fires and letting them burn...then doing nothing to stop any further damage._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #33 October 19, 2004 QuoteIt's so cool when you see somebody finally have one of those "ahh ha!" moments. Rhino, several of us have been saying these things for quite a while and I never really expected to ever see anyone of the true believers in the Bush camp to ever change his mind based on anything. I can't tell you how glad this makes me that at least somebody had an open mind. Your mind is like a parachute. If you don't open it, it won't work for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #34 October 19, 2004 QuoteYou need to read the 911 commission report first. After spending the weekend reading it I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR BUSH IF HE WAS OUR ONLY OPTION. READ IT!!!! Our countries future depends on it. I can't believe some of the things I read that Bush did immediately following 9/11. What a fucking MORON!!!!!!! Rhino I've been reading through the report, but so far all I can find is the part where he continues reading to the school children for 5-7 minutes before getting up and leaving the room. What else did you find?I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #35 October 19, 2004 QuoteI've been reading through the report, but so far all I can find is the part where he continues reading to the school children for 5-7 minutes before getting up and leaving the room. What else did you find? If you give a man a fish he eats for a day, if you teach him to fish he eats for a lifetime... Do the research yourself. That is the only way it will help you... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #36 October 19, 2004 QuoteDo the research yourself. That is the only way it will help you... That's pretty much how Kerry would run the country....that's of course if gets elected, but to achieve that all the inhabitants of the USA disappeared and he's the only one left. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #37 October 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo have you joined "the Kerry gang"? I haven't joined any gang. As I stated I wouldn't vote for Bush if he was our only choice. Kerry "unfortunately" is the only other option. Read the commission report and you will understand.. What I told you three times is true.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #38 October 19, 2004 I've read excerpts of it and am quite educated, thank you. Your insinuations that GWB and his NSC ignored blatant warnings about OBL are absurd. The warnings were vague at best and your conclusions have been formed after viewing the facts with the benefit of hindsight. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #39 October 19, 2004 QuoteI can't believe some of the things I read that Bush did immediately following 9/11. Examples? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #40 October 19, 2004 I think that GWB committed TREASON against the American people. After seeing what signs he ignored he is GROSSLY INCOMPETENT as a President. When the Clinton Administration got these types of warnings they HELD DAILY INTELLIGENCE MEETINGS in the White House WITH THE FBI, and the CIA among other departments for updates, planning and status reports.. DAILY!!! Sometimes TWICE DAILY.. What did Bush do? NOTHING... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #41 October 19, 2004 Quoteand your conclusions have been formed after viewing the facts with the benefit of hindsight. Which is still a better option than forming an opinion with your head sruck in the sand........ Using 'you' in a general sense........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #42 October 19, 2004 QuoteExamples? GO GET THE BOOK.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #43 October 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteExamples? GO GET THE BOOK.... They're not going to research it themselves, so the point is pointless... Except for the Anvil, who definitely has researched it himself, and has concluded that Bush did everything in his power to decrease the chances of a terror attack within the US and to protect the US, both before and after September 11, 2001... Or did I misinterpret something? (Vinny, you know I'm just having fun with you) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #44 October 19, 2004 Quote Examples? Digging big fat holes into the air, f. e.? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jessefs 0 #45 October 19, 2004 Rhino, your apparent self-education and openness should be inspiration to us all. Issues aside, your way of being has surprised and amazed me. Thank you. Jesse <* Spread the Love! *> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #46 October 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteExamples? GO GET THE BOOK.... You're here making all the noise, what specifically bothered you about the 9/11 report? I think that's a reasonable question and one that you should expect not only from me, but from others, also. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #47 October 19, 2004 QuoteThey're not going to research it themselves, so the point is pointless... It has nothing to do with research that I may or may not have done. Rhino came here fairly upset about what he saw in the report, don't you think that asking him what particular points upset him? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #48 October 19, 2004 LoL. Everything? I think not. A respectable amount? Absolutely. Is there a massive amount more that could be done? Oh yes. When undertaking anything in the realm of government, one must always take into account fiscal, political, temporal, and feasibility constraints - among others. Given the vagueness of the warnings we had - that have been released at any rate - I don't think the pre-9/11 actions taken by the administration were negligent or inept in the realm of security - at least no more so than any other administration of years past, Republican or Democrat. Now there are several post-9/11 concerns that I have with regards to the Bush administration's actions. The reorganization of governmental defense and intelligence agencies that resulted from the stand-up of DHS is a big mistake in many respects, I do believe. I think the old system could have been modified and that the DHS consolidation has created many managerial problems that could have been fixed by pro-active management of inter-agency working groups by senior level officials. I also didn't like the manner in which DHS was stood-up initially, especially with regards to budget authority and such, but that's nit-picking. That being said, I think that the DHS can and will operate effectively, but still do not like it. Other areas of concern that I have are foreign policy initiatives, port security - HUGE issue here, disaster preparedness, and several others. But the aforementioned fiscal constraint is a major major issue when discussing these. I could write an essay on any of the above just on managerial/fiscal concerns alone. I digress. Criticize the President all you like, but the word 'treason' is not apropos by any standard of reason. These insinuations add nothing to political discourse. Those touting them are using Hitler's old propaganda maxim - lies have inertia - to their advantage. If you tell a lie often enough it will be viewed as truth. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #49 October 19, 2004 I think the "Torricelli Principal" is the main reason why both the Clinton and Bush administrations were in the dark about the REAL threat we faced from terrorism. Senator Torricelli single handedly made this country less safe than it was before he was elected. Thanks to the Bush administration the Torricelli Principal is being broken down, and new way to gather intel are being put in place.... With someone like Kerry in office, we will quickly shift back to the pre-9/11 - torricelli principal era .... If that is what you want, vote Kerry... doesn't bother me. What you fail to understand I think though is the amount of information that is brought to the President on a daily basis. It is the job of the Pres and his/her advisors to determine what is credible, significant, and imminent. THe information about 9/11 was none of those thing in the weeks before the attack. I have read the report... I am not saying the Pres did everything he could have, but hindsight is 20-20. It was a bit more difficult to connect the dots than you think.... also, I see no problems with his response to the attacks. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #50 October 19, 2004 QuoteThat's pretty much how Kerry would run the country.... At least Kerry would have read it in detail to begin with.. Bush would have Rice read the headline to him and say NAAAAH... What's next on the agenda... If Bush were a General in the Marine Corps, and had he made a similar decision that allowed 3,000 Marines to get killed or 3,000 civilians he would likely be charged with something. If there was "quality control" for the Presidency kind of like attorneys that keep tab on other attorneys keeping them honest Bush wouldn't be in office today. It isn't like there is a Presidence Grievance Comission? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
