rhino 0 #76 October 20, 2004 QuoteI also heard today that Arafat is 'endorsing' Kerry, the same way Kim Jun Il is - sort of unofficially, but has voiced a preference. I was wondering if that was true, and if so, if that changes your opinion in any way? I don't have a clue if it's true... Personally it doesn't effect me in any way when a leader from another part of the world endorses a candidate. I wouldn't think they would do so unless they thought that candidate would win and ultimately benefit them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #77 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI'm SUUUUUUUUUURE Mr. Kerry could have done better......NOOOOOOOOOOOT! John Kerry uses Data and good judgement to make decisions. He isn't set in his ways to the point where he doesn't pay attention to logic. GWB will have it his way. PERIOD. Quade mentiones me being able to change my mind, or come to a different conclusion based on facts I've researched, and that impressed him.. Like hope in a hopeless place... That is what John Kerry does. While he has his own set of beliefs and standards he isn't "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY", and he is flexible, analytical and intelligent. More so than Bush anyways. Some could say that I have flip flopped going from on the Bush side of the fence to the Kerry side. Others would say that I am intelligent because I paid attention to detail, kept my options open, did my own research and wasn't stubborn. My vote is for the latter. I view Kerry being able to reconsider some things as a great thing. Our country needs to reconsider some approaches we have taken or at least how to go about things a bit differently and not so IN YOUR FACE to everyone else in the world. Bush won't do that. Bush has given America a very false sense of security. He has said one thing while something TOTALLY different is actually happening. Let's take education for example. My wife is a High School teacher so I know what I am talking about. No child left behind has been left behind, education funding has been cut, standards for teachers and students have been raised, teachers are having to get higher degrees that don't help their jobs in the slightest, spending more money, getting more in debt, expected to do more, get better results with a lesser budget... That is bullshit.. Most issues Bush is touting are being run exactly that way... Do you know who Bush got his environmental advice from? Do you know??? EXXON MOBILE!! For goodness sakes people... Do you know who flew the individuals to Florida "TO RALLY THE VOTE COUNTING TROOPS", Kenneth Leigh!! You know on the Enron Jet.... ENRON helped Bush get elected.. Weird? Why were the Bin Laden's allowed to leave the country without even being interviewed? I mean if you are related to the #1 terrorist in the world doesn't that warrant a SMALL investigation after 9/11... When Bush got the memo, a few weeks before 9/11, why weren't those individuals investigated IMMEDIATELY and put on a watch list, A REAL WATCH LIST, Why weren't they found and investigated? WHY did the copy of Bushes reserve record have the name of his partner scratched off... ??? Why??? You know his partner that ended up handling the oil financing deals between the Bush family and The Bin Laden family? THIS IS REAL STUFF PEOPLE!!! HOW IN THE WORLD does Bush plan on tearing up the Axis of Evil with a VASTLY undersized, underfunded and over exhausted military.. OUR BOYS ARE FUCKING TIRED!!! No teenager in his right mind is going to join the military after this crap.. Few exceptions... Bush is dangerous people... He is going to put an end to our way of life and our country if he is re-elected. He is an EGO MANIAC... His attitude of "no humility what so ever" has made us look like a bunch of animals. I understand why other countries would want to kick our ass.. Our country "because of the last couple presidents "mostly Bush" is in serious trouble... SERIOUS TROUBLE!!!!!!!!! Your IRA's won't mean shit in 24-48 months... Savings accounts won't matter. Nothing that you know as your way of life will exist if we as a country don't get on the right track.. NOTHING... Go ahead and think I am blowing this out of proportion. Go ahead and let Bush convince you falsely that we are going to kick everyones asses and that we have the resources to do so.. We can't even protect our own damned country effectively. Policies must change... Policies like Bush allowing the illegal immigrants to have temporary work cards and stay in country illegally. Kerry will at least do away with that. What about 95% of the cargo coming into this country going unchecked? THat's BAAAAAD... Really bad... There is a CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER that threatens us all and grown stronger by the day... If you and your families don't have some sort of emergency plan in case of a terrorist attack, water, basic medicines, a way to stay warm, a bit of extra gas to get wherever is in your emergency plan, some form of protection "a gun", you are crazy and in denial..... Get caught with yout pants down and you will wish you were dead when the shit hits the fan................... Rhino You got all this from the 9/11 reports? Those things are more extensive than I thought. I thought this discussion was about the 9/11 reports. Please post whatever reported incidents caused you to say "I can't believe some of the things I read that Bush did immediately following 9/11." --Douva (not a Bush supporter; just an advocate of intelligent political discussions)I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #78 October 20, 2004 QuoteYou did exactly what Bush practices, you read the first line and ignored the data...... Actually, I've read the data. I simply happen to disagree with your point of view. Don't assume that everyone who disagrees with you hasn't read the document, your post, whatever . . . - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #79 October 20, 2004 QuoteI wouldn't think they would do so unless they thought that candidate would win and ultimately benefit them. Bingo. Kerry, if elected, would benefit Arafat and every other terrorist on the planet. Kerry's record on defense indicates why. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #80 October 20, 2004 Who are you and what have you done to Rhino! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #81 October 20, 2004 You don't really know a lot about how Cheney formulated our energy policy, the Bin Laden family, or DoJ/DoD operations, do you? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #82 October 20, 2004 QuoteYou don't really know a lot about how Cheney formulated our energy policy, the Bin Laden family, or DoJ/DoD operations, do you? Instead of this vaaaiiiiiiinnnn attempt to get at me why don't you actually state YOUR opinion instead of discounting mine... What do YOU know. ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #83 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou don't really know a lot about how Cheney formulated our energy policy, the Bin Laden family, or DoJ/DoD operations, do you? Instead of this vaaaiiiiiiinnnn attempt to get at me why don't you actually state YOUR opinion instead of discounting mine... What do YOU know. ? Still waiting on that evidence, Rhino. WHAT exactly did Bush do following 9/11 that you can't believe?I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #84 October 20, 2004 QuoteStill waiting on that evidence, Rhino. WHAT exactly did Bush do following 9/11 that you can't believe? It's going to be a loooong wait... I won't tend to your laziness.... Get a grip... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #85 October 20, 2004 An extensive amount, truth be told. A few tid-bits of knowledge for you: - environmental groups were invited to take part in Mr. Cheney's formulation of U.S. energy policy. They declined to attend. How much coverage did that gem of info get from the left-media? - bin Laden's family have renounced him for years. Steve Coll's latest book - Secret Wars - expounds on this a bit. Good reading. - I've worked in DoD and with DoJ before and know many aspects of their operations well. Your assertions in this thread are quite humorous. I know a lot more, but those three alone make your assertions here quite funny. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #86 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteStill waiting on that evidence, Rhino. WHAT exactly did Bush do following 9/11 that you can't believe? It's going to be a loooong wait... I won't tend to your laziness.... Get a grip... What? Now we're expected to know what's in YOUR head? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #87 October 20, 2004 QuoteWhat? Now we're expected to know what's in YOUR head? I don't expect anything from you... That would be setting myself up to fail... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #88 October 20, 2004 Quote- bin Laden's family have renounced him for years. Steve Coll's latest book - Secret Wars - expounds on this a bit. Good reading. Off course they have. Clinton also said he had no sexual relations with that woman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #89 October 20, 2004 Quote I also heard today that Arafat is 'endorsing' Kerry, the same way Kim Jun Il is - sort of unofficially, but has voiced a preference. I was wondering if that was true, and if so, if that changes your opinion in any way? Iran announced support for Bush today._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #90 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteStill waiting on that evidence, Rhino. WHAT exactly did Bush do following 9/11 that you can't believe? It's going to be a loooong wait... I won't tend to your laziness.... Get a grip... What an amazing new debating technique you've discovered. "I have mountains of evidence proving my case, but I won't show it to you, you lazy bum." I read through a good deal of the 9/11 reports, and I think you're blowing smoke. You're making mountains out of mole hills (a couple of slightly questionable actions by the President), you're claiming incompetence without supporting evidence, and you're drawing conclusions from events (environment, etc.) that have nothing to do with the 9/11 reports. I think you're using the assumption that nobody else will read the 9/11 reports to make deliberately misleading arguments against the President. I believe you are at the least a political talking head and at the worst a liar. If you have any evidence to contradict me accusations, feel free to present it.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #91 October 20, 2004 I read the report the day it came out...cover to cover. Nowhere did I see anything remotely close to what he claimed. It's a typical liberal ploy. Nothing liberals say anymore surprise me. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #92 October 21, 2004 QuoteI read through a good deal of the 9/11 reports, My Dad use to tell me if you are going to do something half assed, don't do it at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #93 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteI read through a good deal of the 9/11 reports, My Dad use to tell me if you are going to do something half assed, don't do it at all. So we're all clear, Rhino, are you suggesting that because Douva didn't reach the same conclusion that you did from reading the 9/11 report that he must have done a half-ass job at understanding the report? I know I'm asking you a lot of questions lately, but you've got me stumped, I need you to help me out. Thanks, Rhino. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #94 October 21, 2004 Do your homework and get back to us. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #95 October 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteI read through a good deal of the 9/11 reports, My Dad use to tell me if you are going to do something half assed, don't do it at all. Like make a half-assed argument against the reelection of the sitting President? It would have served you well to heed his advice.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #96 October 21, 2004 QuoteSo we're all clear, Rhino, are you suggesting that because Douva didn't reach the same conclusion that you did from reading the 9/11 report that he must have done a half-ass job at understanding the report? I know I'm asking you a lot of questions lately, but you've got me stumped, I need you to help me out. Thanks, Rhino. Oh Lord... OBVIOUSLY WE ARE LACKING IN INTELLIGENCE HERE..... He read through a "great deal" which means he did an incomplete job... Half assed... Just like President Bushes decisions... If I have to explain this further you are an idiot.... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #97 October 21, 2004 QuoteLike make a half-assed argument against the reelection of the sitting President? It would have served you well to heed his advice. You went to college didn't you??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #98 October 21, 2004 Uhhh...Rhino...I hate to tell you this, but Jimbo and Douva are NOT the JACKASS Anvil. I am he. You should cease all personal attacks against them, lest our green friends become perturbed and you become banned or something. Thank you. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #99 October 21, 2004 QuoteOBVIOUSLY WE ARE LACKING IN INTELLIGENCE HERE..... Because the "we", by definition, must include you, I'm OK with that. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #100 October 21, 2004 Rhino, you and I both read the same book. I "did" my homework, but I really don't have any idea what you're talking about. Can you please let me (and others) know on what events you've based your conclusions on? Reference it or whatever? I've got the book sitting right here, and I'll be happy to re-read the passages, but I honestly, sincerely don't have any idea what you're referring to. Thanks....I do appreciate it. (And I'd consider it a personal favor if you'd do that....) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
