peacefuljeffrey 0 #1 October 24, 2004 OMFG. How goddamned lame. Is it SO hard to not fuck up the lyrics of the National Anthem?! "what so proudly we hailed, IN the twilight's last gleaming" Isn't it supposed to be "AT"? And I think he said, "Oh say does that star-spangled banner yet BRAVE..." Besides getting words wrong, I can't stand it when performers extemporize "vocal stylings" into what should be a traditional, unchanging song. That little "bapmmboodap" shit he pulled at the end -- that's the worst. I feel it has no place in the song. My guess is he was high as a kite -- drunk or stoned or tweaked on something. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 October 24, 2004 " . . . what should be a traditional, unchanging song." Uh . . . you mean this one -- right? http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anacreon.html QuoteFrancis Scott Key used this English drinking song to set the meter of "The Star-Spangled Banner." Also see http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anacron2.html Get a grip. It's a song (a drinking song), not the Constitution.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #3 October 24, 2004 That's fine, I don't care if the melody was borrowed. Once it became, "The Star-Spangled Banner," it became custom to sing it in a "standardized" way, and, well, we saw how Roseanne Barr took a big shit on American pride with her rendition, and there have been others who have fucked up the lyrics. I don't like the "stylizing" of it, like Tyler just did, and I don't think there is any excuse whatsoever for someone to fuck up the lyrics inadvertently. You can't offer the excuse of "nervousness about performing for a huge crowd" -- these people do that all the time. It's not a big thing for them. Why don't you comment on the traditionality of singing the song in a straightforward way, and the legitimacy/illegitimacy of adding these bullshit personal signatures on it? (You can tell where I stand... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 October 24, 2004 So then . . . you didn't like the version played by Jimi Hendrix? Whatever the hell you do, don't click on this link! http://www.scubanaked.com/patriotic.html Anyway, I think there are times when I like a traditional version like at a Presidential Inauguration, but at other times, I think it speaks toward freedom of expression to have something a bit more interesting. BTW, MOST times the song in played in the tradition manner, it's screwed up by the -audience- because they have a silly notion that it's supposed to retard in certain places when, clearly, it's not written that way. It's a little like watching a live performance of Hamlet when the actor gets to "To be or not to be . . .". I defy -any- actor to take a dramatic pause during that phrase, because somebody in the audience, no matter how sophisticated, will finish the line for him.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #5 October 24, 2004 FWIW the performer I enjoyed most was Kathey Lee Grifford doing the Nat Anthem for superbowl ? OTOH the Hendrix rendition was cool, but you need too remember we were doing the visuals in our minds at the time. It was a hell of a ride. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #6 October 24, 2004 QuoteGet a grip. It's a song (a drinking song), not the Constitution. It would be so much more fun to see Steven Tyler try to recite the Constitution! "Four score ago, our fathers created the perfect party."There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #7 October 24, 2004 If i was American the version by Jimi Hendrix would give me goose bumps all over, that has got to be one wicked way to hear your national anthem played, and for anyone who wants to say rubbish and all that bollocks, the americans should be ever so proud he played your national anthem. Ever so proud! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 October 24, 2004 Its sort of like me, just not as cool as Hendrix by a long shot. I'm a jazz lead trumpet player. For shits and giggles I'm playing in Texas A&M University's pep band for volleyball and basketball games this year. I put the end of the National Anthem up to the scream trumpet stratosphere. IMO it sounds badass, but I think scream trumpet is badass. I do think there's a limit to good taste, in the same respect I don't put huge shakes on any of the notes or change the melodic, I just take it up and put it in the upper register.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #9 October 24, 2004 you guys must have a good time at a dz bonfire over there in the states, just by reading these forums it shows that there is so much talent at all different things amongst the jumping community. One advantage of coming from a huge country. Dave, is your band like a marching band? i had a mate go to the states with his band for a competition, dude could this guy play the drums. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 October 24, 2004 Nope, not a marching band. We sit in the stands at volleyball and basketball games playing music at times. Basically its just an outlet to play my trumpet, since there's not a lot of local bands to play with...so I play there and with the TAMU Jazz Society, it keeps me sane...well, between that and the jumping, it keeps me sane.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #11 October 24, 2004 As much as I did not like Tyler's rendition, he did at least hit all the notes (some he screamed, but hit them anyway). That particular song is not easy to do a capella. I think the best rendition I ever heard at a major sports event besides Kathie Lee Gifford's was Whitney Houston's in '91. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 October 24, 2004 Quote That particular song is not easy to do a capella. That particular song isn't easy to do -- period. In the opinion of many, it's one of the most difficult national anthems of any country.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #13 October 24, 2004 BTW, Kelly Clarkson just did an awesome job with "God Bless America." _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #14 October 24, 2004 QuoteThat particular song isn't easy to do -- period. Very true. But with musical accompaniment, it is a hell of a lot easier. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #15 October 24, 2004 Quote" . . . what should be a traditional, unchanging song." Uh . . . you mean this one -- right? http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anacreon.html QuoteFrancis Scott Key used this English drinking song to set the meter of "The Star-Spangled Banner." Also see http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anacron2.html Get a grip. It's a song (a drinking song), not the Constitution. Paul, You *haven't* lived until you've been to a dinner pub in Colonial Williamsburg (with traditional (read--18th century) technology, and hear the musicians singing "To Anacreon in Heaven"... Kidding aside, if one is a professional musician and has been hired for a performance, one should deliver. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #16 October 24, 2004 QuoteI do think there's a limit to good taste, in the same respect I don't put huge shakes on any of the notes or change the melodic, I just take it up and put it in the upper register. And I think that "good taste" certainly dictates getting the LYRICS right! If you can't be assured of at least doing that, just don't accept the invitation to perform the song! That's entirely apart from "jazzing it up." -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #17 October 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteI do think there's a limit to good taste, in the same respect I don't put huge shakes on any of the notes or change the melodic, I just take it up and put it in the upper register. And I think that "good taste" certainly dictates getting the LYRICS right! If you can't be assured of at least doing that, just don't accept the invitation to perform the song! That's entirely apart from "jazzing it up." -Jeffrey It's well-known that the melody of the Anthem is a British pop song from the late 18th Century. That does not excuse Tyler for deliberately (or inability due to inebiaec incapacitation) of f*ing it up. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #18 October 24, 2004 Any country's national anthem, no matter -how- it is played or sung, should in it's entirety be dignified and bring it's people to attention in tribute. Although Hendrix rendition is not the 'norm', I believe he did deliver on the above. I did not hear Tyler's presentation, but by the description here in this thread it doesn't appear that he captured the dignity that is owed our country and its history. I've heard horrible presentations of our U.S. Anthem at ball games, and the performer actually was 'booed' during the song. Most patriots know what pride is encompassed throughout our adopted song, once Key penned the lyrics. Go back and read ALL the stanzas. When performed by a true artist it -will- bring you to tears. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #19 October 24, 2004 Maybe Tyler sang it OK and YOU were high as a kite and missed it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #20 October 24, 2004 QuoteMaybe Tyler sang it OK and YOU were high as a kite and missed it? [post withheld on account of I have nothing pleasant to say to you, and you are just trying to bait me]-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #21 October 24, 2004 QuoteAny country's national anthem, no matter -how- it is played or sung, should in it's entirety be dignified and bring it's people to attention in tribute. Although Hendrix rendition is not the 'norm', I believe he did deliver on the above. I did not hear Tyler's presentation, but by the description here in this thread it doesn't appear that he captured the dignity that is owed our country and its history. Exactly. It was about HIM when he did it, with his little Aerosmith-esque vocal "stylings" thrown in, inappropriately. He did indeed seem like he was flyin' on something, and he did indeed screw up at least twice in the lyrics. I was, quite honestly, waiting for him to freeze completely and just start doing a Frank Drebin out there, you know... "butter bombs in the air..." As it is, I'm pretty sure that he said, "air bombs in the air." -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #22 October 24, 2004 Looks like the nay-sayers on this thread have the news on their side as well. Tyler must have been aweful! http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/specials/postseason/2004/10/24/closer.ws.game1/ "Speaking of pitch, Steven Tyler needs some work on his. The national anthem singer and Aerosmith frontman was a tad on the brutal side. And not to sound like an old fogey -- like I could sound like an older fogey than Tyler -- that end-of-anthem rock-n-roll scream was uncalled for. ..." https://registration.kansascity.com/reg/login.do?url=http://www.kansascity.com%2Fmld%2Fkansascity%2Fsports%2Fbaseball%2F10000999.htm "Aerosmith's Steven Tyler begins murdering the national anthem" http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/2E354F72CBEAA59B86256F370025CCAC?OpenDocument&Headline=Fox+scores+with+restraint+in+wild+game "Off key What is there about Cardinals World Series appearances and strange national anthem performances? Fox showed Steven Tyler's unconventional rendition during its pregame coverage Saturday, when Tyler inserted some unintelligible screeching gibberish near the end of the song. In 1968, NBC aired Jose Feliciano's controversial rendition before Game 5 of the Cards-Detroit series. "I think it was the worst thing I ever heard in my life," Bob Gibson, the Redbirds' star of that series, has said." ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #23 October 24, 2004 QuoteMaybe Tyler sang it OK and YOU were high as a kite and missed it? Wow. Where on earth did that come from? TK, you'll have to do better than that if you want to play in this forum. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 October 24, 2004 Who the hell is Steven Tyler????When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 October 24, 2004 QuoteWho the hell is Steven Tyler???? Aerosmith lead singer with HUGE mouth and hair to match. Father of Liv Tyler, also known as Arwen Evenstarquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
