See Stolen Honor On-Line (42 min)

[gemini 0]

You've heard all the stink...now see it for yourself. You may not agree with what is said, but I believe that the people in the video are sincere and have the right to voice their opinions without ridicule and censure.

http://www.buttondepress.com/BostonManifesto/stolenhonor.wmv

In another lifetime, I was a 1Lt, MACV Advisory Team 46, Dien Khanh District, Khanh Hoa Province, Republic of South Vietnam.

Blue skies,

Jim

[b1jercat 0]

This is probably your last gasp, at trying to run down a man that went to VietNam as opposed to some one that didn't . I have never seen a bigger load of shit in my life, keep trying for all the good it will do you.

blue skies

jerry

[gemini 0]

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I don't have to try and run down a man that went to Vietnam because he did that to himself. He's a liar, a fraud, and an ambitious leftist-elitist who is out for himself. He caused harm to US POWs and got away with it because of the turmoil in the country at the time.

He will say anything, anytime about anything if he thinks it will gain him another ounce of power. This means he will abandon his friends and supporters if they cease being valuable to him.

He did not go to Vietnam like the rest of us...he went to add a bullet point on his resume' just like Al did. It was nothing but a political ploy, a necessary evil to accomplish another step toward his goal of entering politics. I wouldn't be surprised to learn he knew about the 3 wound exclusion before he even got overseas.

The men in the video were there for 3, 4, 7, 13 years and are fully entitled to hate the SOB. Why does that bother you?

Good luck with your last gasp!

Blue skies,

Jim

[rickjump1 0]

Jim, I talked to you at Rantoul. I did the infantry thing first and went back to fly Koreans out of Ninh Hoa and Anson (near Qhi Nhon). Kerry, like Al Gore, was there to get it on his political resume. Don't have time to watch the movie; got to fly offshore in the am. Rick Ferguson

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[Trent 0]

It's worth a watch. Hey, if I can sneak into f911 to see what that chump had to say about Bush, some of you can download Stolen Honor to see what respectable, honorable veterans have to say about the man you want to be president. At the very least, it's a good insight into what some of you pass off as being a minor blip on Kerry's past since it was 30 years ago.

Oh, hello again!

[Jimbo 0]

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This is probably your last gasp, at trying to run down a man that went to VietNam as opposed to some one that didn't . I have never seen a bigger load of shit in my life, keep trying for all the good it will do you.

What were your feelings about F9/11?

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[b1jercat 0]

I won't ever see f9/11, I could care less what some Bozo like MM thinks.

blues

jerry

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I won't ever see f9/11, I could care less what some Bozo like MM thinks.

Could or could NOT?

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[quade 4]

I watched it.

I was very disappointed that as little as 1 minute and 32 seconds into it, Sherwood blatantly took a very damming quote of the Kerry 1971 testimony from of Congress -way- out of context.

Another happens at about the 2 minute mark . . . Sherwood makes it sound as if Kerry is accusing soldiers of doing these things when in reality he's talking about a conference some returning vets themselves had that he attended and he's saying that other soldiers had told him that they had done these things.

It goes on and on.

If you'd like to read what Kerry ACTUALLY said and compare it to the program. . . you can do so here.

http://www.c-span.org/2004vote/jkerrytestimony.asp

It is a sad documentary more for the prisoner's stories though. I wish the documentary could have been done and the stories told without all of the political BS about Kerry that surrounded it.

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[TypicalFish 0]

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I won't ever see f9/11, I could care less what some Bozo like MM thinks.

Not attacking you here, b1jercat (your post just happened to remind me of something I am often struck by), but I've always thought that kind of logic was a little circular...

How can you pass judgement on what someone thinks, if you won't take the time to listen to it?

I am absolutely, positively no Bush fan, but how can I respond to whatever "Stolen Honor" (or any other source) says without listening to, watching, or reading it?

And making that choice for myself?

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[badenhop 0]

F911 - disappointing - out of context.
It goes on and on.

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[quade 4]

Brilliant comeback . . . you work on that for long?

A simple one line retort just ain't gonna cut it if you wanna play with the big boys.

Seriously, take a look at the times I had referenced and the actual transcript of what Kerry said and tell me that it wasn't taken out of context.

If you want to talk about F911, it's kinda like beating a dead horse, but . . . what do you actually have? Can you back it up with references? There's plenty there to work with, but I don't think you've actually done the homework.

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[namgrunt 0]

this nam grunt thinks skerry stinks

I NEVER raped,shot dogs,burned vills, etc.
did deploy in 1968 with 167 men in my recon outfit and at the end of 11 mts and 27 days there were 3 of os originals standing. I was wounded 3 times .soooo
I feal I haver the right to say SKERRY sucks ,hope no one falls for his lies.
he will say and do anything to get elected.

P.S. todays my birthday (57)
lets jump
GO,GO ,GO ,
HOOAH
AIRBORN

59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI)
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[badenhop 0]

Yes, but since it walks like a duck,
no need to waste my time proving it's a duck.
I didn't come to play with little boys.

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[tunaplanet 0]

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I was very disappointed

Like we expected a different response.

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Sherwood blatantly took a very damming quote of the Kerry 1971 testimony from of Congress -way- out of context.

Sound just like another "documentary" released not too long ago.

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It goes on and on.

Just like F911.

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It is a sad documentary

Just like Michael Moore's garbage. Only Moore's films aren't documentaries.

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I wish the documentary could have been done and the stories told without all of the political BS

Are you referring to F911 or Stolen Valor. Hard to tell since everything you said fits F911. Please clarify.

Forty-two

[quade 4]

Almost all valid points except the one where it appears as if you totally misinterpreted what I wrote.

I said it was a sad documentary. As in, "it made me sad to hear their stories of torture."

If I wanted to say it was a bad documentary, I would have.

It's not bad, simply misleading and out of context in certain areas. It feels to me as if there are two distict parts to it; the "real" documentary about the capture and torture of the prisoners and the attacks agaist Kerry at the beginning and end which seem tacked on.

The program doesn't logically follow from one to the next and the Kerry parts seem very forced into the program. This is only made more clear by the out of context quotes from Kerry.

If you didn't like F911 because you thought it misrepresented the truth, then you should also think that about this piece, which, in my opinion, isn't done as well, but certainly isn't a bad piece.

If you still haven't seen F911, but you have seen this piece, then I really have to wonder how fair and honest you are being with yourself.

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[Trent 0]

While this is obviously anti-kerry, you have to look at who it is coming from. The former POWs themselves seem angry about the movement that kerry devoted so much time (publicity) to when he was safely back at home.

Since you think that the kerry stuff was just tacked on at the beginning and end... what did you think about the former POWs describing how the VVAW statements, including kerry's testimony was played for them on tape and used as yet another excuse to beat them into confessing?

These guys have every single right to hate everything that kerry is.

Oh, hello again!

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These guys have every single right to hate everything that kerry is.

I think if you look at some of the other posts I've made on the subject you'll see that I don't disagree with your point.

There is no way in hell I'm going to say they don't have a right to believe what they believe. I wasn't there.

That said, I -do- believe that much of what people have made out of what Kerry actually said to Congress has been taken out of context.

The other thing that struck me was how Kerry gets blamed for all sorts of really wierd things at the end of "Stolen Honor". The one that struck me as really absurd was that he opened the door for "bad" movies like "Apocalypse Now" and was responsible for the vilification of ALL the soldiers that went to Vietnam. I simply think that's rediculous.

I think in his testimony to Congress, Kerry does point out that there were some guys that, under orders or otherwise committed war crimes, but nowhere in the testimony can I see where he says that everyone that went to Vietnam was a criminal.

That said, if you take the quotes out of context and repeat them over and over, I can certainly see where people would begin to believe he did.

And I think this is what actually happened and why so many people believe what they believe.

It's a little like the Abu Gharib prison scandal we're dealing with now. Did the US have a policy of abuse in this instance? Maybe. Where war crimes committed? Yes. Does it mean that ALL of our soldiers in Iraq are war criminals? Absolutely NOT!

Should Joseph M. Darby, the whistleblower of the Abu Gharib scandal, be upheld as a hero or villian?

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[skycop 0]

I'll take these guys word over just about anyone else. These men are true heros, I've done alot of reading about some of them.
Col. Bud Day and Col. Risner especially. These men were brilliant, innovative, and VERY ballsy.
They are not political hacks, but TRUE American heros.
I had already formed an opinion on Mr. Kerry's war service and post-war antics and grandstanding.
This movie just backed up my hunch.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"