Iraq....what a freak'n mess!

[cloudseeker2001 0]

It does not matter what your political affiliation is.....Iraq is a mess and WE have to deal with it!

I have spent the last couple of hours reading news from other countries and they all report on different angles of the war. Iraq is a disaster.....

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[GQ_jumper 4]

why is iraq a mess? if you could throw a couple of reasons our way so we could strike up a convo.

thanx

and by the way if you haven't guessed i want to hear some reasons so i can give an opinion as to why iraq isn't as bad as people think

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[tunaplanet 0]

The American Revolutionary War was a mess.

Forty-two

[rickjump1 0]

It's true: war is hell.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[sundevil777 102]

Did you think it would be neat and tidy?

SH was a direct sponsor of terrorism. But not any more.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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why is iraq a mess? if you could throw a couple of reasons our way so we could strike up a convo.

Bombs blowing up in the green zone, mortars landing live on tv into the green zone. Threats that any attack on Falujah would bring wide spread insurgent attacks across Iraq. The new head of the Iraqi police force (that we are training) claiming that they are powerless against terrorists because they are not trained for that because they are only trained for civil support. Newly trained Iraqi police changing sides and using that training against the people and our troops, 47 dead Iraqi police from an inside job, etc. Thats a few steps backwards, don't you think?

Need any more examples?

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[crozby 0]

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SH was a direct sponsor of terrorism. But not any more.

Really? How so?

[juanesky 0]

He really meant that SH was a true testament for what a great candidate for nobel peace prize should act like

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Casurf1978 0]

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SH was a direct sponsor of terrorism. But not any more.

Really? Name the terrorist orgs he sponsored, and which of those took an active role in 9/11.

[juanesky 0]

Did he mention terrorism or 9/11?, I see that the later is just a result of the former.

Are you simply implying he was not or had not terrorized his people and all his neighbors now?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[crozby 0]

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Did he mention terrorism or 9/11?, I see that the later is just a result of the former.

Are you simply implying he was not or had not terrorized his people and all his neighbors now?

You are just twisting the meaning of the word Terrorism to suite your Fox-inspired agenda. My daughter regularly terrorises our cat. Does that make her a legitimate target for a US pre-emptive strike in your view?

[sundevil777 102]

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SH was a direct sponsor of terrorism. But not any more.

Really? Name the terrorist orgs he sponsored, and which of those took an active role in 9/11.

$25K per suicide bomber in Israel.

I didn't say anything about 9/11.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[nigel99 471]

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$25K per suicide bomber in Israel.

I thought under Bush logic that means he is REDUCING terrorism - suicide bomber dies = 1 less terrorist.

Isn't that the whole point of Iraq attract all the badies and let them blow themselves up away from us civies so its all good.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[juanesky 0]

But apparently they are saying that this is a great man.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[PhillyKev 0]

Don't tell Anvil that. He knows someone over there and they tell him every thing is going great. In fact, I believe he's planning to vacation there.

It's unbelievable how people can't see themselves. All the people now saying "what did you expect, war is tough" are the same ones who were saying "they'll greet us with flowers and it will be over in a month".

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$25K per suicide bomber in Israel.

Is that the best connection to a terrorist organisation you can come up with?

It is true that money is donated to the families of suicide bombers to compensate them for retribution by Israelis.

Were you aware that for many decades US citizens have sent cash to fund the Irish Republican Army, an established terrorist organisation operating in Northern Ireland?

Doesn't that make US citizens sponsors of terrorism by your definition?

[falxori 0]

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It is true that money is donated to the families of suicide bombers to compensate them for retribution by Israelis.

even with your lame definition, yes giving 25K to a mass murderer so he will blow himself up in the middle of a bus , is supporting terrorism.

and sadly, most of the world was "supporting" terror when a lot of the money donated to the palestinian authority ended up where it wasnt meant to be
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[EricTheRed 0]

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$25K per suicide bomber in Israel.

Yes. He supported terrorism. Against Israel. That's a proven point that I won't argue.

How does this affect the US?

illegible usually

[AdD 1]

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SH was a direct sponsor of terrorism. But not any more.

And the US is not? Nicaragua, Guatemala, Indonesia... the list goes on. Countless civilians slaughtered by US backed militia attacking 'soft' targets. Any time civilians are killed (which is terrifying) for political gains it's terrorism.

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[crozby 0]

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even with your lame definition, yes giving 25K to a mass murderer so he will blow himself up in the middle of a bus , is supporting terrorism.

It was my understanding that money is paid to relatives of suicide bombers to help them re-settle after the Israelis have bulldozed their houses. Is that not the case?

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buried in some of the United Nation's own confidential documents, clues can be seen that underscore the possibility of just such a Saddam-Al Qaeda link — clues leading to a locked door in this Swiss lakeside resort. Next to that door, a festive sign spells out in gold letters under a green flag that this is the office of MIGA, the Malaysian Swiss Gulf and African Chamber (search). Registered here 20 years ago as a society to promote business between the Gulf States and Asia, Europe and Africa, MIGA is a company that the United Nations and the U.S. government says has served as a hub of Al Qaeda finance: A terrorist chamber of commerce.

Saddam Hussein's Support for International Terrorism

Iraq is one of seven countries that have been designated by the Secretary of State as state sponsors of international terrorism. UNSCR 687 prohibits Saddam Hussein from committing or supporting terrorism, or allowing terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Saddam continues to violate these UNSCR provisions.

In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.

Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.

Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.

Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.

In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a "martyr" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, "You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue."

Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

What I find most distrubing is how many good americans don't seem to have the cojones to see this war through. To me its all about your attitude. I see this as the beginning of great change for the entire world. Will it be difficult? Good things usually are.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[falxori 0]

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It was my understanding that money is paid to relatives of suicide bombers to help them re-settle after the Israelis have bulldozed their houses. Is that not the case?

not really, it for the loss of their loved one who "sacrificed" himself for the palestinian cause.
so yes, its a result of the suicide attack and not of israel's reaction.
the terrorist's house is not always destroyed, and we're talking about his house, not some distant relative.
does his family get hurt? yes. but maybe he should think about it before destroying the lives of others...

not that its the issue, but just so you know, there were cases where the family of the suicide bomber tried to stop him and even report him, and their house was not touched.
this method may not be pretty but its effective and there is not much you can do against a brain washed fanatic who decides to blow up a bus...

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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[billvon 2,991]

>What I find most distrubing is how many good americans don't seem
>to have the cojones to see this war through.

Which war? The war against terror? See the war on drugs. The war against Iraq? We can win militarily in Iraq just as Israel can win militarily in Palestinian areas; whether you want a permanent presence in Iraq to create our own Israel is a good question. The war against Bin Laden and Al Qaeda? I think that is a war we can and should win; it should have a far higher priority than the war against Iraq.

[tunaplanet 0]

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All the people now saying "what did you expect, war is tough" are the same ones who were saying "they'll greet us with flowers and it will be over in a month".

Could you post a link to where someone on these forums said that? I searched but couldn't find any. Surly there is a link out there showing a dz.commer saying this because I know you wouldn't just make something up

Forty-two

[PhillyKev 0]

Search Bonfire, it was before you arrived on the forums which coincidentally was before all the nastiness started that required separating the forums.