Does the american election affect the rest of the world?

[bigway 4]

Ok, so alot of people outside america are saying that this election affects the rest of us outside america. I belive it does.
Now there are alot of americans telling us to stay out of their bussiness.
This poll is to show everyone what people outside america think and what the people of america think.
it does not matter who you support but please answer this poll with what you really think.

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[quade 4]

The President of the US does effect the rest of the entire world -- yes. No question on that account.

Should the rest of the planet have a "say" in the process -- no.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[PhillyKev 0]

Yes, it affects the rest of the world, but it still isn't any of your business. I mean, sure have your opinion and what not, but it is OUR election. If you don't like how that effects your county, take it up with YOUR leaders.

[bigway 4]

we have taken it up with our leaders of new zealand.
Still this does not change what america does to the world.
I do not think we should be able to vote for your presidency.
We have the untied nations. But this does not help us when your country does not listen to the united nations.
There should be a way that your government should listen to the rest of the world when you want to go to war and act upon things that will effect other countries. Why does america get to change the world when other countries say no?

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[PhillyKev 0]

I voted for Kerry, don't ask me.

[quade 4]

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Why does america get to change the world when other countries say no?

First, when you say America, you should understand that not all of the United States supports the President on most issues, so understand that you're really talking about those few that are in power in the US.

If the rest of the countries of the world wanted to band together and make a forceful, economic statement to the US, I'm -certain- they and not the US would actually have the more powerful position. But they don't -- why, I can't say, but that fact is they don't.

I'll tell you ONE group of foreign governments that DOES have an effect on US policy and that's OPEC. If the countries of the world that are whining about US policy want to take back control, strike us where we really give a crap -- our wallets.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[bigway 4]

i hear you there but the smaller countries that try to do anything about the states get shafted. new zealand said not to your war ships coming through our waters many years ago.....so we could not get a free trade agreement.
Now when we are coming to some sort of arangement we said no to joining the war, this resulted in another massive set back for us getting a free trade agreement.

For the smaller countries that stand up to the U.S., we just get shafted.
Our country sold all our airforce jets, boy this pissed off america.......and we sold most of them to U.S. civillians as far as i know.

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[wmw999 2,514]

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so we could not get a free trade agreement

That's exactly how it works. The bigger guy has power over hte smaller guy. If you don't want the US to have power over you, don't deal with them. Or become part of a bigger guy (e.g. banding together in a free trade agreement with enough countries that you don't need the US's).

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[bigway 4]

ok, i will do that, i will be back soon to let you know how that went.

















Yeah, it did not go to well.

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[wmw999 2,514]

I didn't say it'd go well.

But hey -- at least we didn't invade

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[PhillyKev 0]

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I didn't say it'd go well.

But hey -- at least we didn't invade

Wendy W.

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[Michele 1]

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We have the untied nations

Typo or Freudian slip??? You tell me. ROFL...

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[tunaplanet 0]

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Does the american election affect the rest of the world?

Of course it does.

Forty-two

[meltdown 0]

We have the untied nations
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Typo or Freudian slip??? You tell me. ROFL...
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I was thinking the exact same thing. "Untied Nations". Yes, it fits perfectly.

[kamih 0]

Of course it does, especially when you consider what the US does throughout the world with impunity.
http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/CIAtimeline.html
What is most scary is how uninformed their population is..
anyways, I think today is a truly sad day for humanity .

[rushmc 23]

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Of course it does, especially when you consider what the US does throughout the world with impunity.
http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/CIAtimeline.html
What is most scary is how uninformed their population is..
anyways, I think today is a truly sad day for humanity .

Fortunately, most of the US does not agree with you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ChileRelleno 0]

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The President of the US does effect the rest of the entire world -- yes. No question on that account.

Should the rest of the planet have a "say" in the process -- no.

DITTO

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Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868

[SabreDave 0]

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Yes, it affects the rest of the world, but it still isn't any of your business. I mean, sure have your opinion and what not, but it is OUR election. If you don't like how that effects your county, take it up with YOUR leaders.

You mean like how your country stays out of elections or head of state placements?? Considering how many times the US has been directly "involved" in the elections of another country that remark seems more than a little hypocritical! This opinion doesn't mean I think we should be able to be invlolved whatsoever but let's make that a 2 way street.
Peace Out

SabreDave

[PhillyKev 0]

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Yes, it affects the rest of the world, but it still isn't any of your business. I mean, sure have your opinion and what not, but it is OUR election. If you don't like how that effects your county, take it up with YOUR leaders.

You mean like how your country stays out of elections or head of state placements?? Considering how many times the US has been directly "involved" in the elections of another country that remark seems more than a little hypocritical! This opinion doesn't mean I think we should be able to be invlolved whatsoever but let's make that a 2 way street.
Peace Out

Once again, take it up with YOUR leaders. Unless you're in Afghanistan or Iraq, we didn't invade, we were invited. By YOUR representatives. If you don't want us or our involvement, tell us so, through YOUR elected leaders, not through ours or us.

[kamih 0]

I'm afraid that's not the type of 'involvement' he's talking about.
The US has a long history of meddling with other powers, without being invited (see my link posted above).

[PhillyKev 0]

I'm well aware of that, and don't disagree. All I'm saying is that people from other countries that don't like our policies need to tell their leaders to stand up to what we are doing. Not directly complain to us or our leaders about it. That's not going to change a thing. The only way the US will stop being the police of the world, as I wish we would, is if other nations stand up to us and tell us "No."

Other countries are just as culpable as we are. We meddle in the affairs of the middle east to secure our oil supply. Other countries don't pressure us not to because they either benefit from that meddling as well, or don't want to jeopardize their political relationship with the US for their own selfish reasons.

I'm not one of the guys on here who's says the US is better than the rest of the world and you're all just jealous. But I'm also not going to say we're any worse. Other nations can't claim the high road until they try to stand up and change what they feel is wrong. And that is one area where I believe the US does exceed other nations. We are far and away the most willing to meddle in the affairs of other nations, true, but not just for our own interests, but also because we believe it is the right thing to do for humanity.

Bush and his supporters truly believe that the war in Iraq is the truly humanitarian thing to do. They're not evil. I believe they're mistaken, but it's not done out of a pure profit motive.

[SabreDave 0]

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I'm afraid that's not the type of 'involvement' he's talking about.
The US has a long history of meddling with other powers, without being invited (see my link posted above).

Thankyou Kami
That is exactly what I am saying! The point is PhillyKev, you are saying stay out of US business. I get it, don't have a problem with it just the hypocrisy of you, as an American, saying this to other people.
It would be nice if you country practiced exactly what you are saying.
From the verifiable accounts in Kami's link to loudmouthing and threatening Canada while we are trying to decriminalize marijuana , to screwing other countries over on things like softwood lumber, steel and the insane mad-cow issue.
Finally I will say, take it up with your leaders if you don't like it. That way I can say something without actually answering the question

SabreDave

[kamih 0]

Sorry PhillyKev, it's sometimes hard to keep track of who's saying what on these forums I agree with you completely. All countries are guilty of certain bad things. The only saints and angels in this world are usually confined to individual or small group incarnation.
True, the Bush administration is not entirely evil and greedy. But they are very childish in not wanting to think things through with other people who have other viewpoints, before bombing innocent people. That is why I think the US does not exceed other nations. The other nations have always had interests in Iraq, but decided that war was not an answer.

Humans are all greedy. I like the ones who try not to kill other people more though.

[PhillyKev 0]

I don't disagree with you. And I DO take it up with my leaders. My question is do you take it up with YOUR leaders, or just complain on the internet?

[kamih 0]

That's good then, you're an informed and responsible citizen. I wish more people were like you.
I usually never post on Speaker's Corner, but today I felt like contributing, maybe it will have some small positive effect on some people, but I doubt it.
I guess you just can't help people who don't want to know the truth.
And yes, I also do take issues up with my government.