captain1 0 #1 November 3, 2004 Bush wins popular majority by over 3 million; Bush wins electorial. To add insult to injury, the Republicans gain Senate majority. Maybe the Dems can blame this election on the voters or just maybe Micheal Moore and a few others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #2 November 3, 2004 Yeah, let's make damn good and sure and make fun of as many people as you can -- after all, they don't count any more, to they? Does it really make you stronger to put others down? I always thought strength was something that came from inside, and not from stomping on others. But hey, maybe those are liberal values. The Republicans won the election. Can we move forward, or will we now have several years of "you suck, we'll do whatever the fuck we want because your opinion no longer matters." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #3 November 3, 2004 I just had to get one out after enduring all those months of Bush bashing. I agree with the fact that it is time for all to come together. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 November 3, 2004 "I just had to get one out after enduring all those months of Bush bashing." You've now got another 4 years of Bush bashing to look forward to.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #5 November 3, 2004 Hi WMW I'm not sure who won and really don't care I can only hope whoever won can walk the walk and get us out of the mess we're in. No more shooting killing and dieing, and fix the economy. Lets meet again in a year or two or four and see if we're any better off than we are now. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #6 November 3, 2004 I agree with the remark made that you shouldn't be bashing the Democrats. And... winning by 3 million when the numbers are in the 50 millions isn't a landslide by any stretch. This election has shown me that the country is still just as split in their beliefs as they were before the election. The truly unfortunate thing is that if Kerry had won, he would have had enormous trouble being effective given that half the country didn't want him either. So, I don't see our country being pulled together in blissfull happiness any time soon. We are very divided, and not in way that this election or its results will be able to fix. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 November 3, 2004 QuoteI always thought strength was something that came from inside, and not from stomping on others. But hey, maybe those are liberal values. If you honestly believe that, then you've had your head planted firmly in the sand for the past 4 years. Democrates have been the worst in conservative bashing, in bush bashing and flat out calling conservatives who support W "idiots." Apparently a strong liberal value is taking the high road only when it makes political sense to take the high road. Wendy, I'm not trying to be rude, I just think you're not taking a realistic view or possibly you didn't notice the extreme conservative bashing and W bashing the past 4 years coming from the liberals.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #8 November 3, 2004 Speaking of which... what does this mean to Tony? George is spectacularly unpopular in the UK, and he and Tony are seen as good mates. Do you think Tony will get sunken? If he does, do you think the next PM will pull the UK troops out of Iraq? Your thoughts? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #9 November 3, 2004 Didn't tony say he wasn't running for re-election? I thought I remember hearing that a month or two ago. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
argon 0 #10 November 3, 2004 LOL - whats going to happen to the "selected and not elected" bumper stickers. Fuck Michael Moore, Fuck Bruce Springsteen,Barbara Streisand,Whoppe Goldberg etc. I don't even know how to spell their names. Rock the vote-yeah right 17% of those eligible 18-21 voted. I guess they couldn't stop playing X-Box games to do their civic duty. I met Tom Daschal at this years West Point graduation and told him I hope he loses- and he did. Fuck him to. Dixie Chicks,REM,--Alec Baldwin---stick to your day jobs. Hollywood-well....*********** Freedom isn't free. Don't forget: Mother Earth is waiting for you--there is a debt you have to pay...... POPS #9329 Commercial Pilot,Instrument MEL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #11 November 3, 2004 Ooo. I don't know! If I'd known he wasn't standing, I wouldn't have asked the question. Time (or Nac) will tell, I guess! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 November 3, 2004 QuoteTime (or Nac) will tell, I guess! Well as old as Nac is...is there a difference? --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #13 November 3, 2004 Bashing or not (and it's not a good thing to bash), but still, half the country doesn't want him. Time will tell if he was a good choice. PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #14 November 3, 2004 My thoughts? "Do you think Tony will get sunken?" Maybe, it all depends on what happens between now and our election next year (EG if things go badly for the Black Watch who have been moved from Basra to Baghdad to support the action on Fallujah, Blair will be in trouble). A load of people have become disenfranchised with our popular left (Blair's Labour Party), even some of his own cabinet resigned, over the Iraq affair. I'm unlikley to vote for Blair again, and I've been a lifelong Labour voter. The liberation of Iraq was about as popular here as a bacon sandwich at a barmitzvah. And the more we here about various shenanigans, the worse it gets for Blair. Gordon Brown (our current chancellor) is Blair's most likely replacement, if the Labour party hand over to Brown they will almost certainly regain control and popularity. The opposition to Labour is a mixed lot, the Tory Party (our right wing) are not popular, haven't been since Thatcher (Mark's mum, the guy you're people are detaining on charges of an attempted coup up north), and the Liberal Democrats are just too wishy washy for popular tastes. Realistically, I can't see a single party ousting Blair's labour, worst case is we get what we call a hung parliament. This where no single party has a clear majority, and this is a bad situation as very little happens change-wise. Long story short, Blair may regain power, but he won't have an awful lot of control. That's on a national (UK) level, we also have Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Ireland's local parliaments to consider, I can only speak for Scotland, Labour are strong here always have been, I doubt if there will be any Tory representatives at all in Scotland, but we may see the same situation (hung parliament), as SNP (Scottish National Party) may gain support. Add to the mix oddballs like the National front (our racist biggots party), the Greens, and other wierd and wonderful independant parties. "do you think the next PM will pull the UK troops out of Iraq?" As for pulling troops out, well I for one believe we would not serve anyone by withdrawing troops at this stage, it wouldn't help our relationship with the US, and it certainly wouldn't help the poor Iraqis. As you know I reckon we shouldn't be there, but we are, and we have to deal with it. If any party other than Labour get a clear majority (unlikely), troops will almost certainly be reduced, but not necessarily withdrawn. Not a cut and dried case, as you can well imagine.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #15 November 3, 2004 QuoteBashing or not (and it's not a good thing to bash), but still, half the country doesn't want him. Time will tell if he was a good choice. Less than half. You can't give Kerry that much credit. The popular vote went to Bush also. Time has already told that Bush is a good choice. Now we can finish the job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #16 November 3, 2004 "Didn't tony say he wasn't running for re-election?" No I don't think so, if he became a liability to the party he would stand down, I think is the gist of what he said. But he has all but apologised for the Iraq debacle, without actually saying the S word. However there will likely be an internal power struggle, most likely with Gordon Brown, our current chancellor of the exchequer. He's not as charismatic as Blair, but like I said Blair has lost some popularity over his support of what is a very unpopular war. If Iraq is still a big issue next year, its quite likely we will see a Scotsman (Brown)as our next Prime Minister.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #17 November 3, 2004 QuoteThe Republicans won the election. Can we move forward, or will we now have several years of "you suck, we'll do whatever the fuck we want because your opinion no longer matters." Can we? I think what Kerry pulled last night was an embarrassment to his party. Anyone with a calculator knows he cannot take Ohio and I hope any challenge is struck down in the courts. Gore atleast had a right to ask for some kind of recount in Florida. You cannot even compare the two situations. The Dems in the long run are going to do a lot of damage to their party if they drag this thing out needlessly. (BTW, I haven't looked at the news yet, so I do not know if anything changed since 5am. And I haven't had my coffee yet. So forgive me if Kerry has infact conceded already.) _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,439 #18 November 3, 2004 QuoteNow we can finish the job. What job are we going to finish? I don't think Iraq will be done in 4 years, unless we just leave (which is what would have happened with Kerry too). We're going to run out of money eventually; that's what happened to the Soviet Union, and, frankly, I'm scared that's going to happen to us. We as a country seem to be willing to use our current might and wealth, without considering that it's built on the efforts of both Americans and the outside world, and that removing parts of it (as will happen if we piss off enough people), or having to spend more time and money "squashing gnats" will eventually take enough of our time and money that there won't be any to go forward. Kind of like someone who gets stuck in an anthill. If he just walks on, well, he'll eventually make it out. But if, through having torn up enough alliances, he's pissed off all of the ants, they'll overrun. "United we stand, divided we fall" doesn't just apply to the US -- it applies to the world as it lines up for or against us also. And it applies to the people in the US as well -- we need all of them, the ones we agree with and the ones we disagree with. Jay, I'm definitely not aiming the bulk of this diatribe against you. I heard a couple of interviews this morning on the radio with people who said that the election results means that the conservatives win, and that means that they don't have to "bridge the gap" or "reach across the aisles" or anything else. That's terrible, and it's made me very distressed at the future of our country. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #19 November 3, 2004 They're self-destructive and dangerous in their hatred of Bush. Must win at all costs, including the welfare of the Nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,439 #20 November 3, 2004 Kerry probably should concede. I can understand in a way why he doesn't (and if I were a provisional voter in Ohio who had voted for him, I'd really appreciate it), but, well, he should concede by now. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EricTheRed 0 #21 November 3, 2004 QuoteBashing or not (and it's not a good thing to bash), but still, half the country doesn't want him. Time will tell if he was a good choice. Probably more than half actually. They just wanted Kerry less.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #22 November 3, 2004 "Well as old as Nac is..." Aw Dave that hurts, y'all know its not the years that count, its the miles.And while we're all good natured, on behalf the socialists of the forums (I think I'm the only socialist around here thats actually admitted to being one) congratulations. See Chris, thats the civilised way to lose.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #23 November 3, 2004 QuoteJay, I'm definitely not aiming the bulk of this diatribe against you. I heard a couple of interviews this morning on the radio with people who said that the election results means that the conservatives win, and that means that they don't have to "bridge the gap" or "reach across the aisles" or anything else. That's terrible, and it's made me very distressed at the future of our country. I think we'll be alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #24 November 3, 2004 Found some info... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233384/posts Blair said he would not run for a 4th term, but will run for a 3rd term. 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nacmacfeegle 0 #16 November 3, 2004 "Didn't tony say he wasn't running for re-election?" No I don't think so, if he became a liability to the party he would stand down, I think is the gist of what he said. But he has all but apologised for the Iraq debacle, without actually saying the S word. However there will likely be an internal power struggle, most likely with Gordon Brown, our current chancellor of the exchequer. He's not as charismatic as Blair, but like I said Blair has lost some popularity over his support of what is a very unpopular war. If Iraq is still a big issue next year, its quite likely we will see a Scotsman (Brown)as our next Prime Minister.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #17 November 3, 2004 QuoteThe Republicans won the election. Can we move forward, or will we now have several years of "you suck, we'll do whatever the fuck we want because your opinion no longer matters." Can we? I think what Kerry pulled last night was an embarrassment to his party. Anyone with a calculator knows he cannot take Ohio and I hope any challenge is struck down in the courts. Gore atleast had a right to ask for some kind of recount in Florida. You cannot even compare the two situations. The Dems in the long run are going to do a lot of damage to their party if they drag this thing out needlessly. (BTW, I haven't looked at the news yet, so I do not know if anything changed since 5am. And I haven't had my coffee yet. So forgive me if Kerry has infact conceded already.) _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #18 November 3, 2004 QuoteNow we can finish the job. What job are we going to finish? I don't think Iraq will be done in 4 years, unless we just leave (which is what would have happened with Kerry too). We're going to run out of money eventually; that's what happened to the Soviet Union, and, frankly, I'm scared that's going to happen to us. We as a country seem to be willing to use our current might and wealth, without considering that it's built on the efforts of both Americans and the outside world, and that removing parts of it (as will happen if we piss off enough people), or having to spend more time and money "squashing gnats" will eventually take enough of our time and money that there won't be any to go forward. Kind of like someone who gets stuck in an anthill. If he just walks on, well, he'll eventually make it out. But if, through having torn up enough alliances, he's pissed off all of the ants, they'll overrun. "United we stand, divided we fall" doesn't just apply to the US -- it applies to the world as it lines up for or against us also. And it applies to the people in the US as well -- we need all of them, the ones we agree with and the ones we disagree with. Jay, I'm definitely not aiming the bulk of this diatribe against you. I heard a couple of interviews this morning on the radio with people who said that the election results means that the conservatives win, and that means that they don't have to "bridge the gap" or "reach across the aisles" or anything else. That's terrible, and it's made me very distressed at the future of our country. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #19 November 3, 2004 They're self-destructive and dangerous in their hatred of Bush. Must win at all costs, including the welfare of the Nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #20 November 3, 2004 Kerry probably should concede. I can understand in a way why he doesn't (and if I were a provisional voter in Ohio who had voted for him, I'd really appreciate it), but, well, he should concede by now. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #21 November 3, 2004 QuoteBashing or not (and it's not a good thing to bash), but still, half the country doesn't want him. Time will tell if he was a good choice. Probably more than half actually. They just wanted Kerry less.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #22 November 3, 2004 "Well as old as Nac is..." Aw Dave that hurts, y'all know its not the years that count, its the miles.And while we're all good natured, on behalf the socialists of the forums (I think I'm the only socialist around here thats actually admitted to being one) congratulations. See Chris, thats the civilised way to lose.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #23 November 3, 2004 QuoteJay, I'm definitely not aiming the bulk of this diatribe against you. I heard a couple of interviews this morning on the radio with people who said that the election results means that the conservatives win, and that means that they don't have to "bridge the gap" or "reach across the aisles" or anything else. That's terrible, and it's made me very distressed at the future of our country. I think we'll be alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #24 November 3, 2004 Found some info... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233384/posts Blair said he would not run for a 4th term, but will run for a 3rd term. I knew I heard something, but wasn't sure of the specifics. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pccoder 0 #25 November 3, 2004 Less than half, half, whatever. It's still just about the closest race in the history of our nation. It's still damn near half. You'd be saying the same thing if the tables were turned. Noone has a clear stronghold. When the nation is this divided, it should be a wakeup call that a VERY large number of people (almost half to make you feel better) do not agree with his decisions or capability as a leader. I mean, jeez, we are all in here debating this so heavily even now. Do you think it could be because we do not agree? PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
storm1977 0 #24 November 3, 2004 Found some info... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1233384/posts Blair said he would not run for a 4th term, but will run for a 3rd term. I knew I heard something, but wasn't sure of the specifics. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pccoder 0 #25 November 3, 2004 Less than half, half, whatever. It's still just about the closest race in the history of our nation. It's still damn near half. You'd be saying the same thing if the tables were turned. Noone has a clear stronghold. When the nation is this divided, it should be a wakeup call that a VERY large number of people (almost half to make you feel better) do not agree with his decisions or capability as a leader. I mean, jeez, we are all in here debating this so heavily even now. Do you think it could be because we do not agree? PcCoder.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
