Erroll 80 #1 November 4, 2004 According to The Star, a major SA daily, 'moral' voting by Americans ensured victory for Bush. Your thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #2 November 4, 2004 Sounds like the Kerry supporters cared more about $$$ than morals.....and it cost them the election. We all knew where Bush stood on God, guns, and gays. And most of America agrees with him.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #3 November 4, 2004 I dislike Bush, but I dislike Kerry even more, so I voted for the second amendment. Now if Bush can eject the neo-conservative hawks from his administration... I was surprised by New Mexico, which has been a typical Democratic vote; however, I read about 18-months ago that over 50% of the children born there were to mothers on welfare and out of wedlock. I guess the working stiffs have grown weary of compassion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 November 4, 2004 I reckon terror won the election for Bush.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #5 November 4, 2004 QuoteSounds like the Kerry supporters cared more about $$$ than morals.....and it cost them the election. We all knew where Bush stood on God, guns, and gays. And most of America agrees with him. Guns are exactly why he did not have my vote. 20 years of voting against my rights in the senate? And you want me to vote for you? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait, you were being serious?? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 November 4, 2004 I don't think any of those issues really were the difference this time. The Bush campaign successfully branded Kerry as a Massachusetts liberal who couldn't stick to a stand. That was enough to make up for Bush's poor performance. A stronger candidate should have been able to beat the incumbent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #7 November 4, 2004 QuoteI don't think any of those issues really were the difference this time. The Bush campaign successfully branded Kerry as a Massachusetts liberal who couldn't stick to a stand. That was enough to make up for Bush's poor performance. A stronger candidate should have been able to beat the incumbent. A candidate who had spent 20 years in the senate who had anything at all to show for it worth touting should have been able to beat the incumbent. Kerry had ZIP. The American people said, "Um, why on earth would a 20-year senator not be talking daily about how much he's accomplished in all that time in the senate?!" Who'da thunk it? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #8 November 4, 2004 QuoteI don't think any of those issues really were the difference this time. The Bush campaign successfully branded Kerry as a Massachusetts liberal who couldn't stick to a stand. That was enough to make up for Bush's poor performance. A stronger candidate should have been able to beat the incumbent. From the above link: "The Republicans have been successful in framing themselves as the defenders of American traditions - religious traditions and family traditions - and I think they have successfully painted the Democrats all too often as contrary to those values," said Barack Obama, newly elected senator from Illinois whose victory provided one of the few bright spots for the Democrats. The way the respective campaigns were run and managed, rather that the actual issues, made the real difference then? Paul Q referred to that in another election thread. If I recall correctly he actually suggested that the Rep's campaign manager won this election, rather than Bush himself! I have found the whole dynamic of these elections extremely interesting and informative. (emphasis added by me) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #9 November 4, 2004 "said Barack Obama, newly elected senator from Illinois whose victory provided one of the few bright spots for the Democrats" Aggiedave mentioned him lyesterday, and I think we will be hearing a whole lot more from this guy. I think someone who understands the third world will be a great benefit to the US. "I have found the whole dynamic of these elections extremely interesting and informative. " Not to mention entertaining.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 November 4, 2004 He could be something 8, 12, 16 years down the line. Same for the San Francisco mayor, who looks better than Clinton ever did. But for now, there's definitely a lack of strong presidential candidates from the Democratic side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #11 November 4, 2004 Quote"I have found the whole dynamic of these elections extremely interesting and informative. " Not to mention entertaining. Especially here on the forum! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 November 4, 2004 Quote I reckon terror won the election for Bush Yup, everyone was frig'n terrorfied that Kerry would win! Especially those of us that believe in 2nd Admendment! Kerry wanted to basically do away with it, some proposed bills were to ban semi-automatic weapons and centerfire ammo (even though he used both to go turkey hunting 2 weeks ago) AND he wanted to ban from the public any weapon and ammo ever used by the US military. Sounds good right? Wrong, that literally EVERYTHING I can't think of a single popular caliber that wouldn't be banned...nevermind a lot of popular rifles and just about every worthwhile handgun on the market.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 November 4, 2004 Damn Liberals (left leaning right wingers), you'd never get a good Socialist (right leaning left winger)recommending you guys give your guns up. Well, not if I wanted to get elected I wouldn't-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #14 November 4, 2004 QuoteAccording to The Star, a major SA daily, 'moral' voting by Americans ensured victory for Bush. Your thoughts? I think people didn't "vote their wallet" this time. They know what the core of the Democratic Party stands for, and they voted on societal / cultural issues. Unlike Bubba, Skerry doesn't have any Centrist appeal. He presented himself as a smug Northeastern liberal. I think if the Dem ticket had been reversed, the outcome would have been much different. The Dems had better stop preaching to their choir (gays, transgender freaks, dopers, etc.), and start thinking of ways they can get their message across to the working classes. mh . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 November 4, 2004 QuoteWell, not if I wanted to get elected I wouldn't Well, you're smarter then Kerry, then. Coming across as ultra-liberal, which he is, scared the bejesus out of the country and the country made their choice... The liberal extreme in the UK media is wigging out though, there's actually a headline (Daily Mirror) that states "How can 59,054,087 people be so dumb?" You know what sort of backlash America would recieve if we did that to some sort of elected official in the UK?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #16 November 4, 2004 Just remember.. it did'nt scare 55,574,675 people. Luckly I'm part of the 376,000 that went for a more moderate platform that was not Nader.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 November 4, 2004 It scared the majority.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #18 November 4, 2004 "How can 59,054,087 people be so dumb?" Y'see, there really is no need for that sort of headline, its just plain rude. It is a left wing paper, which I guess corresponds to your 'extreme liberal' classification. The Independent was also pretty inflammatory. I don't read the Mirror, thinking leftists opt for the Guardian, their headline is much more polite. See here for a taste of our printed media today http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3981139.stm Don't take it personally, our media is generally much more abrasive than yours, and it will be yesterday's news tomorrow. By way of compensation... "The Telegraph's cartoonist Matt depicts a forlorn-looking man sobbing into his beer at a bar. The barman is shown explaining to another customer that the man is not a Democrat but a lawyer."-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
favaks 0 #19 November 4, 2004 Bush won by 3%. Wouldn't call that a majority. For every 100 people, 3 more agrees with Bush So the other 50+ million who didn't vote for Bush are dumb. favaks "The masses are asses." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #20 November 4, 2004 if you have 3 people and 2 choose an apple and the other a orange then the majority choose the apple. QuoteWouldn't call that a majority. What would you call a majority???? Quotema·jor·i·ty The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of its larger representation or electoral strength. Law. The status of having reached full legal age, with attendant rights and responsibilities. The military rank, commission, or office of a major. Obsolete. The fact or state of being greater; superiority. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #21 November 4, 2004 QuoteSounds like the Kerry supporters cared more about $$$ than morals.....and it cost them the election. We all knew where Bush stood on God, guns, and gays. And most of America agrees with him. I care the most about morals, but my morals are different than Bush's. That doesn't mean I put $$$ over morals, it just means my morals are not in the majority. I agree most of America agrees with Bush's morals. I think he took the popular stand on all three counts intentionally, and won the election because of it. It doesn't make his morals right. I'm not arguing that my morals are right either. I'm simply pointing out that it is an opinion, and the beauty of this country is that we all have a right to our opinion. Just because my morals are different than Jason's doesn't mean I'll stop going to Bridge Day. peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 November 4, 2004 QuoteSounds like the Kerry supporters cared more about $$$ than morals.....and it cost them the election. We all knew where Bush stood on God, guns, and gays. And most of America agrees with him. Yeah, right. I chose Kerry primarily on moral grounds. It is morally better to NOT run up debt, enjoying the benefits of current spending and leaving it to future generations to pay off. It is morally better not to force your religious beliefs on others. It is morally better not to pre-emptively invade other countries and kill people. Those are my morals. They are different than yours. But don't try to claim that one side or the other is morally superior or that you have some moral highground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #23 November 4, 2004 Yeah I noticed the UK media is really harsh sometimes. One thing I do like is when the PM addresses the house of lords or commons. I heard on the radio he has to do address them on a regular basis. Well they played back exerts from one of those meetings. DAMN some of them really ripped into Blair and in such an eloquent way too. For a second I thought chairs were gonna start flying across the room Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #24 November 6, 2004 23% of those who identify as part of the GLBT community voted for Bush. Of those who listed "Moral Issues" as important according to exit polls, 25% favored legal marriage for same-sex couples and 35% favored civil unions. That's 60% of the electorate who favored some form of legal protection for same-sex couples. Fully 50% of those who favor civil unions for gays voted for Bush so it's clear that the definition of "Moral Values" is beyond gay and lesbian issues. I think Kerry lost cause he never articulated a clear message and how he would apply it. In other words he Never Closed The Sale. I think Jack Kemp is right, John Kerry lost on the Tax the Rich issues, and the War on Terror issues. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 November 6, 2004 QuoteI think Kerry lost cause he never articulated a clear message and how he would apply it. In other words he Never Closed The Sale. I think Jack Kemp is right, John Kerry lost on the Tax the Rich issues, and the War on Terror issues. Chris If you're an NRA member, and read their magazine each month, you could easily conclude that 4 million people voted against Kerry because he is KNOWN to be a gun-banner, and has been so for 20 years in the senate, and cannot hide from that record simply by not talking about it. I voted for Bush STRICTLY because Kerry is anti-gun, and proud of it, but not proud enough to mention it because he knows the American people do not support that asinine position. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
