Should I?

[akarunway 1]

Sell my rig. To an unkown person? Sabre 135 PDR126 He says 108 jumps . Says he 's 5'5''. I'm in a quandray here. Don't want him femuring in on my conscience. Advice. I do need the cash

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[topper 0]

Can you get a reference from his DZO ?

[Yossarian 0]

could also be his intention isnt to jump it yet, my plan originally was to buy the rig i eventually wanted to settle on while i could afford it but not jump it until i was able. the other plan was to buy a rig with a smaller canopy and put a bigger one in it and either sell the original smaller one or keep it until i was ready to downsize

[AggieDave 6]

Find out what DZ he jumps at, call the DZ and talk to the DZO, S&TA and/or head instructor. If the buyer won't give that info out or says "well, I don't have a home DZ" then I wouldn't sell the gear.

I went through the same thing when selling my canopy a few months ago. I talked to people who jumped at the DZ, the DZO and S&TA. Unless I personally know the person I want refrences when selling a canopy or a container to fit small canopies.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[MotherGoose 0]

ok - just asking, don't chew me out . . .

if i am selling gear (in the future), it is my responsibility if the person I sold my gear to, femurs or even dies? I am having trouble wrapping my mind around this. Yossarian makes a good point, but I venture to take it one step further. I am selling a product, they are interested in paying me for it. I fail to see where my responsibility lies in all of this. But, I haven't been around for long and I have yet to be in a position as the seller. I would love to hear some responses to this with an open mind.

You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

[tbrown 26]

I am selling a product, they are interested in paying me for it. I fail to see where my responsibility lies in all this.

[Lindercles 0]

What about the manufacturers? Do they have a responsibility to check a buyers qualifications before selling them a hp canopy?

[billvon 2,991]

>if i am selling gear (in the future), it is my responsibility if
>the person I sold my gear to, femurs or even dies?

No. At most, you are responsible for determining that the person is getting a canopy/reserve that is suitable for their experience level. What they do with it is up to them.

>I am selling a product, they are interested in paying me for it. I
>fail to see where my responsibility lies in all of this.

That would be true if this were Ebay. But it's skydiving. And you may discover that the person who wanted that Stiletto 99 because no one who knew them would sell it to them are friends with your best friend - and your best friend is going to be devastated when the buyer kills himself on it. That's the sort of direct effect you may see.

This is still a relatively small community, and we pride ourselves on looking out for each other. Which makes transactions like that a bit more complex, but helps everyone in the end.

Case in point - I once had a Crossfire 1 99 that I didn't like. I tried to sell it via classifieds. I got about 20 replies, and I asked them for references. Most of them refused, or never wrote me back. Finally I got a reply from a guy in Russia who pointed me to a rigger in Washington. I called him, he said "Oh yeah, I jumped with that guy in XXXX. He has a Stiletto 99; landed it pretty well as I recall." I sold it to him, and he seemed happy with it.

Took maybe an extra 5 days, but at least I know it was going to someone who would be likely to be able to fly it.

[MotherGoose 0]

I understand. And I agree that we should maintain a community mentality on here and be mindful of each other. I guess if the person is serious about buying gear, they should be able to provide a reputable reference to back up their claims of experience. As for the manufacturers, I thought they do not sell HP canopies without reference? Im not sure here, but I don't believe any Joe Blow can call them up and order a sub-100 canopy.

You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

[bob.dino 1]

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As for the manufacturers, I thought they do not sell HP canopies without reference? Im not sure here, but I don't believe any Joe Blow can call them up and order a sub-100 canopy.

That's the theory, and in my experience it's worked that way in practice too. My dealer checked me out before selling me a Spectre 190, and I've had extensive conversations with Brian Germain before purchasing a Samurai 170 and 135.