Evolution versus Creation

[kallend 2,106]

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your right my sweet nightingale, theories are a part of science and history for that matter. i think that they should be taught as theories and not as fact. but i believe that kids should be taught critical thinking to read and find all the theories on a given subject, and then make their own infomed conclusion. teach them how to learn insted of what to learn.

Sometimes it takes very very sophisticated (aka expensive) experiments to distinguish between competing theories. How exactly are schoolkids supposed to make up their own minds?

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[freeryde13 0]

well, thats why i kind of say i follow my gut. what is a fact. something written in a book? so if i write in a book that we are decendants of chicken lizards from the moon, is that now a fact, because i put an internet link with an article that says that. or if they get on tv and say a politician says something....is that a fact?

the best scientists of the world thought the world was flat at one time, did that make it so? i do more than a bit of reading on unification theories. and alot of things einstien theorized , turned out not to be fact. science is constantly disproving theories and "facts". quantum physics was looked down on a few years back , now is being more accepted.

things aren't always what they seem...it seems. so yes i follow my gut. the ancient greeks used their gut feelings and came pretty close to describing how atoms were structured, with no labortories to prove anything.

but i'm also smart enough to know i don't know much.

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[quade 4]

I think your problem stems for the misunderstanding of certain terms.

http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node7.html

http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node5.html

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[freeryde13 0]

i humbley bow my head to you... and bookmarked that science site. cool shit thanks.

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[billvon 3,070]

Interesting tidbit from the Vatican. See, not all christians get on the sillier bandwagons!
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Vatican Official Refutes Intelligent Design
By NICOLE WINFIELD
AP
1 hour, 35 minutes ago

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent design" isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate in the United States.

The Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was "wrong" and was akin to mixing apples with oranges.

"Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be," the ANSA news agency quoted Coyne as saying on the sidelines of a conference in Florence. "If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science."

[shropshire 0]

So, common sense is not dead yet... Sounds like a bright guy..... or is that just because I happen to agree with him?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[kallend 2,106]

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So, common sense is not dead yet... Sounds like a bright guy..... or is that just because I happen to agree with him?

Jesuits are generally smart guys. That is why members of the order have been jailed so often, and why the order itself was once suppressed by the Roman Catholic Church. Can't have too many smart guys running around!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

A good friend of the family was a jesuit priest...was great talking to him, he was always willing to listen and discuss without blindly following the party line....

[shropshire 0]

Thanks. I dont know [anything] about Jesuits (or RC for that matter).. but it's really refreshing to read unbiased stuff) especially in SC).

Now, is he a single shinning light in an otherwise dark ID fog, or is his message common currency?

Regards,

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[kallend 2,106]

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Thanks. I dont know [anything] about Jesuits (or RC for that matter).

Hmmmm. "Know your enemy", Sun Tzu

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[dmcoco84 5]

Damnit!!! This is such a stupid topic and I am so tired of it: Both sides are flawed and the human mind is not able to comprehend either.

Evolution: Aight, so we evolved from apes. If this is true then you have to go all the way back and look at how the universe was created. Back to all the little bits of matter that swirled together and created planets and solar systems up to the first living cell and beyond. So where did all that matter come from. There has to be a start. You can’t have nothingness and then all of a sudden have matter that can form complex compounds.

Creation: Aight, so god created man and the universe. So who created god or where did he come from? And who created that…and that. How can god all of a sudden just appear.

Plus scientific evidence clearly shows how the earth was formed over millions of years. God did not do this magic in 7 days. Just like on CSI, you can’t ignore physical evidence, unless you are ignorant. Take an astronomy class you damn bible pushers!

Either way you look at it, as humans are not able to comprehend this. JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE AND STOP FUCKING WORRYING ABOUT IT! When you die you can figure it out! Both should be thought in school and the children should make up their own minds! Both are theories and one completely involves faith..

Coco

P.S I believe both. I am spiritual but not religious and I believe in a high power but at the same time I believe in the fact that we are a part of evolution.

[billvon 3,070]

>Evolution: Aight, so we evolved from apes. If this is true then you
> have to go all the way back and look at how the universe was
> created.

Right; that's been done.

>Back to all the little bits of matter that swirled together and created
> planets and solar systems up to the first living cell and beyond. So
> where did all that matter come from. There has to be a start.

Of course. We've traced it back to the first few seconds of the universe. Eventually we will figure that out too - that is, as long as we stick to science as a means to get there.

>Both should be thought in school and the children should make up
> their own minds!

There's the problem. Creationism is not science and does not belong in a science class. It _does_ belong in a religion class. The problems we're having today are due to religious types who want to have one more angle to push their religion on others, and thus want creationism taught _instead_ of science (or as equal to science.)

>Both are theories and one completely involves faith..

Right, and one involves science. So teach the science one in science class and the faith one in religion class.