free_man 0 #1 November 12, 2004 http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/wasdin/wasdin23.html I Don't Just Think I'm Right, I Know I Am! by Mike Wasdin I have people ask me all the time, “How do you know you are right?” I have been giving that a lot of thought lately. I thought it might be a good idea to look at the questions one by one to determine if my philosophy may be flawed. Freedom: People are born with a sense of freedom. From the time we are born, we are continuously fighting to get more freedom. When we are young, we strive to adopt our own unique personality. As we grow older and move into our adolescence, we try to show that we are not kids, and try very hard to be treated as adults. As we enter our teens, things like driving, dating, and being able to spend the night away from our parents’ house all become major things as we try to prove our independence. We cannot wait to become 18, because that is the magical age when we will finally be considered an adult, and have the same freedoms as every other adult. The will to be free is in us all, and it never dies. To disagree is to instead desire to be a slave. Property: An adult should be the unquestionable owner of all his or her rightfully owned property, and as such he or she is sovereign. To deny this means that you are giving another person or entity a higher claim to your property than yourself. If you are the rightful owner, then you have the right to do whatever you desire with your property, as long as what you do does not trespass the rights of another sovereign human being. You have the right to rent or sell your property without the consent of an outside coercive (government) entity. All legal contracts entered into by consenting adults should be considered legal and no one else’s business! Rights: An adult has the right to treat his or her property in any manner he or she chooses, as long as it does not affect another sovereign human being’s right. This would include anything, even if it might not be in your best interest. No one has the right to tell you that you cannot eat, drink, smoke, ingest, view or think anything, so long as it does not abuse the rights of another. Others can try to persuade you that what you are doing is not in your best interest, but in the end you have the final say about your property. Wealth: People have the right to keep the fruits of their labor. No other person or entity has the right to take in part or in whole the fruits of their labor. To think otherwise would make you nothing more than a slave. For someone to steal all or part of your money is common theft, nothing more, even if it’s for a really good cause! If I were to walk up to you on the street and take your wallet, and remove 20 of the 40 dollars you had inside and leave you the rest, would I be any less of a thief? Would it make a difference if I told you it was going to a good cause? You can most certainly ask someone to donate to your cause, but never at the barrel of a gun. To deny this would mean you condone theft. Beliefs: Adults have the right to believe whatever they want, no matter how silly it may be. This does not give them the right to not be offended if their belief seems funny to others. This includes religious, political, and sexual beliefs. No other person should be able to deny rights to another person based on his or her beliefs. The world is full of crazy ideas. If you don’t approve, you do not have to participate, but you cannot keep others from doing so just because you don’t like it. If drugs offend you, then I would suggest you don’t use them. If nudity offends you, don’t go to a nude beach. If you do not approve of gay marriage, don’t marry a gay person. You do not have the right to tell others how to live their lives, no matter how obscene or ungodly you deem it to be. Morality: Morality is subjective and therefore has no set standard. What you may feel is immoral may seem perfectly fine to me. If you find pornography immoral, don’t watch it. If certain sexual acts offend you, don’t do them. You can change the channel, close your eyes or leave the room, but it’s none of your business what other adults chose to do as long as it does not violate the rights of others. You have no right to decide for others what should be immoral. It’s YOUR god, they are YOUR rules, so YOU burn in hell! Legality: There are no such things as crimes which do not involve a victim. These are called “fake crimes.” No crime has been committed by someone for merely smoking a substance which the State has deemed “evil.” By the same token, things that are illegal are not always immoral and vice versa. The State can never be a victim since the State is not a person. It is impossible to commit a crime against something which does not exist, so there could never be any crimes suggesting that the State has been harmed as in, “The State vs. ________.” All fake crimes should be immediately rescinded; no victim, no crime! War and Peace: It is always wrong to initiate force. Just because you have more money and resources, that does not mean you are right. You should never be able to coerce others just because you have bigger bombs. What gives one sovereign entity the right to enforce its views on another sovereign entity? It is nothing more than arrogance to think that because you are a superpower, others should have to follow your rules. To attack another unprovoked is the work of a bully. This does not mean that I do not believe in self-defense, but shouldn’t there at least be an act of aggression on your property, before the initiation of force? If you don’t bother others, chances are they will not bother you. I don’t know how anyone could deny these truths? Only a sheep could do such a thing, because to do so is to admit that you are a slave. I knew when I first adopted this philosophy that it just made sense, and it still does today. I have given careful consideration to my philosophies in the areas mentioned above, and after careful consideration, I have decided that I don’t just think I am right, I know I am! November 12, 2004 Any good troll comments out there? Open your mind, and think outside the box. Is not skydiving a great expression of freedom? “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #2 November 12, 2004 Good luck with that... No taxes? I don't think so. Next you'll argue the right to life means we are allowed not to die. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #3 November 12, 2004 your a libertarian....so am i...in heart anyways. freedom=power to the indiidual._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #4 November 12, 2004 Not sure if this is Libertarian or Anarchist, but I agree with most of it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #5 November 12, 2004 Quote Any good troll comments out there? Open your mind, and think outside the box. Is not skydiving a great expression of freedom? Yeah, the only troll comment here is yours. How can we know for sure you even skydive when all you have given us is signs that you are a whuffo. Is it that hard to fill in some of your profile?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #6 November 12, 2004 OK. I'll poke the pointy stick at the troll... This post is completely unassailable proof that the war against Iraq is legitimate! Paragraph 8 (War & Peace) clearly states that: "It is always wrong to initiate force. Just because you have more money and resources, that does not mean you are right. You should never be able to coerce others just because you have bigger bombs. What gives one sovereign entity the right to enforce its views on another sovereign entity? It is nothing more than arrogance to think that because you are a superpower, others should have to follow your rules." In effect no-one should attack no-one. OK so far? But Paragraph 7 (Legality) categorically states: "The State can never be a victim since the State is not a person. It is impossible to commit a crime against something which does not exist, so there could never be any crimes suggesting that the State has been harmed as in, “The State vs. ________.” " As such, in the Iraq war the United States (defined as No-one) has attacked, invaded and conquered the Iraqi State (also defined as No-One). Therefore, No-One has made war on No-one. Therefore the war has not taken place. This holds true against all modern international wars. As such, Hitler was unjustly vilified because "No-One" attempted to subjurgate Eurpoe and kill 6 million Jews! Incidentally, The American War of Independence was a vicious act of American Terrorism... Because "No-One" was suppressing them. I don't just think your declaration is idiotic and confused... I know it is Mike. PS: Plenty more of the same in this piece of narcissistic drivel. Please THINK, then write. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #7 November 12, 2004 Trolls can skydive without rigs! No packing, reserve card, mals. ---------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #8 November 12, 2004 I am suspicious of anyone who says things that end "and if you disagree with me, you are a sheep and a slave." Well, that clears up any messy disagreements with his ideas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #9 November 12, 2004 QuoteI am suspicious of anyone who says things that end "and if you disagree with me, you are a sheep and a slave." Well, that clears up any messy disagreements with his ideas! ...Or people who end their arguments with "and if you disagree w/me, you're damned to hell!" They're equally as irritating... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #10 November 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteI am suspicious of anyone who says things that end "and if you disagree with me, you are a sheep and a slave." Well, that clears up any messy disagreements with his ideas! ...Or people who end their arguments with "and if you disagree w/me, you're damned to hell!" They're equally as irritating... Or people who sais: "you are with me or against me" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #11 November 12, 2004 QuoteOr people who sais: "you are with me or against me" I know a lot of people who have said that, but since I know you hate President Bush, the phrase you're looking for is: QuoteEither you're with us, or you're with the terrorists. ps - it's "says" in English, not "sais."witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #12 November 12, 2004 QuoteNo taxes? I don't think so. The US government operated without income tax for most of it's history. And without anything but customs duties for quite some time, as well. There are other ways for governments to make money.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #13 November 12, 2004 >Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists. The quote you are looking for, from a Nov 6 2001 press conference, is "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." >ps - it's "says" in English, not "sais." Je le sais! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #14 November 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteEither you're with us, or you're with the terrorists. The quote you are looking for, from a Nov 6 2001 press conference, is "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." Actually the big uproar came from a statement he gave in front of a huge formal dinner, world leaders and such, I believe, not soem press conference.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #15 November 13, 2004 I think you misunderstand the author. The federal, state, city, local municipalities, and school districts are all incorporated. Corporations exist primarily to limit liability, and mass capital. I surely can not have the "State of ______", over for dinner can I? It does not exist in the flesh and blood, it is a legal fiction. The victims are the flesh and blood people, the people of Iraq for example. So called victimless crimes are actually the implementation of Roman Civil Law, and should not exist in a free nation. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #16 November 13, 2004 well, thats some cool shit your bringing up. to me the problem with people living in a truelly free society is peoples laziness. to live in a free society people need to take responsibility for their community. but that takes work and involvement. we hire cops for example, so we can concentrate on making money in our carreer. but we lose freedom for tha laziness . do we need police? i don't but people get rocked to sleep by the "safety of the cops that they hired, but no longer answer to them. our society is so focused on speacializing in fields that we lose the big picture and give away freedom. instead of being well rounded people, we overcompensate in one area. smart people usually don't work their body out. a doctor knows a body well but can't put a screw in the wall, a skydiver is either a freeflyr or rw guy etc..... . by focusing on one area we're confortable in we are blindly trusting someone to handle the other area for us. people who want to control other people need to divide them first and then conquer the smaller parts. this speacialazation is one of those divisions. anyways....i could probrobly ramle on for a while about this, and might eventually make some sense.....but....peace for now._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #17 November 13, 2004 Hi Free Man, You stated you wanted discussion about your post and I offered it. I have proved that within the philosophy of your original post your claim that I know I'm right." is patently fallacious and fundamentally flawed. QED. While your original statement can be viewed as acceptable within a completely libertarian attitude and society, within the broader and existent society, "The State" is accepted as "The common will of the lieges thus expressed". What does this have to do with Roman Law in particular, when it also holds true for Common Law, Statute Law, & Civil Law? I should apologise, but these patently fallacious arguments frankly bore me. Bye. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #18 November 13, 2004 Quote You stated you wanted discussion about your post and I offered it. I asked for any troll comments, jokingly, I find them funny. Quote I have proved that within the philosophy of your original post your claim that I know I'm right." is patently fallacious and fundamentally flawed. First that is the authors statement, do not shoot the messenger. I do not see that you proved anything other than you do not understand what the author is stating. Quote While your original statement can be viewed as acceptable within a completely libertarian attitude and society, within the broader and existent society, "The State" is accepted as "The common will of the lieges thus expressed". I believe that the authors article is acceptable in a free society. I have no Lord or King. In America the people are the King. Meaning we are all a King unto ourselves, endowed with certain unalienable rights from our Creator, as the Declaration of Indepedence affirms. We the people created the State, we are the sovereign, the State is our servant. What is fallaciously flawed is the divine right of kings, and man being forced by the barrel of a gun into servitude. I do not prescribe to your collectivist ideals, and they are truly not what America is founded upon. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #19 November 13, 2004 When I am right, I get angry. Churchill gets angry when he is wrong. We are angry at each other much of the time. Charles de Gaulle "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for nonsmart reasons" (Michael Shermer). George Bernard Shaw once remarked: "The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it." Am I right people? ------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #20 November 13, 2004 You are right. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #21 November 14, 2004 [B]"I do not prescribe to your collectivist ideals, and they are truly not what America is founded upon."[/B] "We the peopleof the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America..." ??????????????? "I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." ??????????????????????? So... America was founded upon........... Therefore, are you right? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #22 November 14, 2004 I think you may not understand, this may help. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=individualism in·di·vid·u·al·ism Audio pronunciation of "individualism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nd-vj--lzm) n. 1. 1. Belief in the primary importance of the individual and in the virtues of self-reliance and personal independence. 2. Acts or an act based on this belief. 2. 1. A doctrine advocating freedom from government regulation in the pursuit of a person's economic goals. 2. A doctrine holding that the interests of the individual should take precedence over the interests of the state or social group. 3. 1. The quality of being an individual; individuality. 2. An individual characteristic; a quirk. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=collectivism col·lec·tiv·ism Audio pronunciation of "collectivism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-lkt-vzm) n. The principles or system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the people collectively, usually under the supervision of a government. collectivism \Col*lect"iv*ism\, n. [Cf. F. collectivisme.] (Polit. Econ.) The doctrine that land and capital should be owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism. --W. G. Summer. collectivism n 1: Soviet communism [syn: Bolshevism, sovietism] 2: a political theory that the people should own the means of production USA not based on collectivist ideals. PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites