peacefuljeffrey 0 #26 November 15, 2004 QuoteI'M A COP!!!!!!!! It's my job to piss dudes off! I'm supposed to look menacing!! I'm paid to go about in the middle of the night!!! My uniform is almost all black!!!! Notebook! Cellphone! Radio! Baton! CS spray! Handcuffs! No gun? Do your superiors not like you or something?? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #27 November 15, 2004 No gun? Do your superiors not like you or something?? You know damn fine it's no gun! One nice thing about a virtually unarmed society is that it can use a virtually unarmed police service! But we're not going to get into that debate again, are we? ....Other than for me to say that somewhere between the firearms laws of the US and the firearms laws of the UK there HAS to be a reasonable compromise - somewhere around Bermuda probably. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #28 November 15, 2004 "it wis the threat o' ane o' Mither McKelvie's haggis bustin near them." Mither's clootie dumpin's are probably more lethal. The wee fella plays with a train set, I probably won't buy him a real locomotive. He giggles when the toy train crashes into toy cars at the level crossings. By the time he learns to drive, I hope his predeliction for this will have passed. The wee fella builds towers of Lego, I probably won't buy him a real skyscraper. The wee fella really enjoys toppling the Lego skyscrapers, I probably wouldn't be very happy if he was playing with C4 until he is mature enough to know what it is all about. Mininac will probably play with all manner of toy guns, knives, bows and arrows, battle-axes, broadswords, trebouchets, ballistas, and battering rams. It is my reponsibility to ensure that he knows the difference between playing with toys and the real thing.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #29 November 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe vast majority of legal gun owners themselves are not skilled enough to use the weapons efficiently. What PJ said. Anyway, who's talking about "Efficient" usage. Surely it's "Safe and Responsible" usage we're talking about here. Are the overwhelming majority of legal gun owners responsible and competent? Sane and safe? HELL YES!!!! Mike. Edited to add an example: Me & PJ have disagreed very violently on a number of issues... But I KNOW that if I stood in front of him he wouldn't shoot me. (Err... You wouldn't? Would you? PJ? Mate?). Sane? Yes, without any doubt. Safe? Yes, most know how to load'n'lock and pull the trigger without killing themselves. Trained? Hell no. Here is my question: You have a gun in your pocket. Someone ambushes you in this parking garage, points a gun at your face and asks for your wallet. Are you good enough to use your weapon to inactivate the attacker? Do not answer here, just ask yourself this question. May be you are that good, but what about the average guy? A lot of people fool themselves thinking that they keep the weapons for their personal protection. The reality is that the real attacker in real life is usually more active that a paper target. I got my own hunting rifle when I was 11. I spent two years in military and worked for several years in private security company focused on personal protection. Now I am just a regular civilian guy and I do not need a gun. But again, this is my personal opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingley 0 #30 November 15, 2004 Quote "it wis the threat o' ane o' Mither McKelvie's haggis bustin near them." Mither's clootie dumpin's are probably more lethal. The wee fella plays with a train set, I probably won't buy him a real locomotive. He giggles when the toy train crashes into toy cars at the level crossings. By the time he learns to drive, I hope his predeliction for this will have passed. The wee fella builds towers of Lego, I probably won't buy him a real skyscraper. The wee fella really enjoys toppling the Lego skyscrapers, I probably wouldn't be very happy if he was playing with C4 until he is mature enough to know what it is all about. Mininac will probably play with all manner of toy guns, knives, bows and arrows, battle-axes, broadswords, trebouchets, ballistas, and battering rams. It is my reponsibility to ensure that he knows the difference between playing with toys and the real thing. Sorry, jus wonid to say whit a great post, wee man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 November 15, 2004 QuoteActually, we've found plenty of ancient societies riddled with people with bashed in skulls. The ones who survived were the ones who learned to not do that - at least, not do it all the time. And what happens when these peaceful folks are attacked by their neighbors? They die. The world has always been, and still is, occupied by people who will bash your skull in (figuratively) if you drop your guard and give them the chance. The Islamic terrorists we're dealing with right now certainly fit that description. They construe peacefullness as a weakness to be exploited to kill us. "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight." - Psalm 144:1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #32 November 15, 2004 QuoteThe vast majority of legal gun owners themselves are not skilled enough to use the weapons efficiently. The challenges you've received to this statement are well-deserved. Perhaps you should explain what you mean by "efficiently". I've got a feeling it's a criteria that really has no place in determining whether or not someone should own a gun. The criteria should be safety and responsibility. Not "efficiency", whatever that means. A lot of people own guns for target shooting, not for quick-draw self-defenses. And for self defense in their home, they don't have to be combat experts. The thousands of stories of citizens using guns for self-defense are a testament to that: The NRA's "Armed Citizen" files: http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx The KABR's "Operation Self Defense" files: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #33 November 15, 2004 "...whit a great post, wee man." Wee Man!!? Wee Man!!? WEE MAN!!? WEE MAN!!? You may want to move. Emigrate. Volunteer for interplanetary colonization. Move to an alternative dimension where warp speed starships exist and you can hop on one after another! When (not if) NacMac finds out where you live... And you are confronted by the rapid approach of a 17 Stone 6ft+ murderous transvestite rugby full back with a blue face, wearing a plaid skirt flying up around his hips and wielding a bloody big claymore barely smaller than his genitalia.... Please remember that I warned you! There's a bus in 30 minutes! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #34 November 16, 2004 Quote You have a gun in your pocket. Someone ambushes you in this parking garage, points a gun at your face and asks for your wallet. Are you good enough to use your weapon to inactivate the attacker? No one can beat biology. If an attacker is running at you with a knife from less than 21 feet away he will reach you before you can draw a holstered weapon and fire. Any armed individual can draw when some one else is the current victim. The threat of me having a gun (due to liberal concealed carry laws) has been shown to reduce crimes against people and increase proprty crimes. My insurance will cover it when that happens, although they can't save me if I'm dead. Quote Do not answer here, just ask yourself this question. May be you are that good, but what about the average guy? The right to defend yourself has no connection to your ability to do so. Quote Now I am just a regular civilian guy and I do not need a gun. But again, this is my personal opinion. My not needing a fire extinguisher, seat belt, or motorcycle helmet doesn't mean those aren't good ideas. Having a gun on my person may have been useful once. Since I didn't have one I just called the police like a good citizen. Home the woman being accosted was OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #35 November 16, 2004 QuoteNo one can beat biology. If an attacker is running at you with a knife from less than 21 feet away he will reach you before you can draw a holstered weapon and fire. That drill illustrates two points. First, it establishes a convenient standard for training (the seven yard rule). Second, it shows the need to move your feet. The drill is not supposed to make you think your gun is now useless. QuoteAny armed individual can draw when some one else is the current victim. The threat of me having a gun (due to liberal concealed carry laws) has been shown to reduce crimes against people and increase proprty crimes. My insurance will cover it when that happens, although they can't save me if I'm dead. Exactly. There are ALWAYS options available. Quoteto AMax Do not answer here, just ask yourself this question. May be you are that good, but what about the average guy? You can always come up with a situation where a gun is not the best choice. That doesn't mean it should be excluded from all situations as a choice. Quotealso to AMax Now I am just a regular civilian guy and I do not need a gun. But again, this is my personal opinion. That your opinion and you're welcome to it. Just don't tell me I am not welcome to my own.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #36 November 16, 2004 "Wee Man!!? Wee Man!!? WEE MAN!!? WEE MAN!!?" ..... "When (not if) NacMac finds out where you live... And you are confronted by the rapid approach of a 17 Stone 6ft+ murderous transvestite rugby full back with a blue face, wearing a plaid skirt flying up around his hips and wielding a bloody big claymore barely smaller than his genitalia...." Mike you should know by now, I don't need no steenkin' knife to defend myself. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingley 0 #37 November 16, 2004 Quote When (not if) NacMac finds out where you live... And you are confronted by the rapid approach of a 17 Stone 6ft+ murderous transvestite rugby full back with a blue face, wearing a plaid skirt flying up around his hips and wielding a bloody big claymore barely smaller than his genitalia.... Fuckin 'ell...at least he'll be at home with my other blue-faced, statuesque, rugby tranny friends. Ahem...just wanted to compliment your post, Nac. Sorry that I made your admirer get all territorial. Please leave the claymore and the genitalia in their pouch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #38 November 16, 2004 Cheers Dingley don't worry, we are in a good mood after Scotland chucked a hundred points on the board against Japan on saturday, through in Perth. So you're perfectly safe. But if wearing a kilt makes me a transvestite, well.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #39 November 16, 2004 Quote That your opinion and you're welcome to it. Just don't tell me I am not welcome to my own. Chill out, brother I don't remember telling you what to do and what not to do. To all: I do not see a point of continuing this argument with you but I sincerely hope that you never experience a need to take a human life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
