feuergnom 28 #1 November 13, 2004 that my general perception of the u.s.-citizen joe average is not dependant on the radical views presented by some of the mega-posters in this forumThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #2 November 13, 2004 Are the views of Austrian Economists, like Mises, Bastiat, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Hayek, Rockwell and others radical? http://www.mises.org/ “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #3 November 13, 2004 until now i never ever have heard of them - after a quick glance i guess i won't take them serious. as for radical - don't know *shrug* btw - where did you find that page?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #4 November 13, 2004 Quote until now i never ever have heard of them - after a quick glance i guess i won't take them serious. as for radical - don't know *shrug* btw - where did you find that page? My only suggestion is that first, ask yourself why you have never heard of them, and search for the answer. And second take the time to read what they have written. Take a longer glance. (This may answer the first) Bastiat wrote "The Law", and IMO it is essential reading. http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm Also FA Hayek, "The Road To Serfdom". http://www.mises.org/studyguide.asp PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #5 November 13, 2004 no doubt.... but the average joe us citizen doesn't do radical things like jumping out of planes either._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #6 November 13, 2004 jumping out of airplanes wearing a parachute is _ imho_ unusual. not radical The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #7 November 13, 2004 Considering some of the other things humans have done for fun or adventure or full fillment, I don't consider jumping out of airplanes either radical OR unusual. Riding an angry rading bull, now that's radical! inventing a peersona for yourself like a Marylin Manson, now that's unusual!Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #8 November 13, 2004 gee - seems we have a complete change of topic in just 7 posts - guess that's a record The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #9 November 14, 2004 in my humble opinion it's not either.... but to the "average american joe" or whatever you said, it is pretty radical._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 November 14, 2004 Quote Bastiat wrote "The Law", and IMO it is essential reading. http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm Essential to whom? As I do not believe in TheBigCreator, I do not consider "The Law" as a must. Anyhow for non-believers like me And not for the average Joe of a country, which of course will have no clue what the author is talking about. The examples you showed do belong to special fields and are no all-round education. Authors on that surely could be found in every country/language, as all of them feel a strong need to show their opinions in a book. If 100 yrs ago or today. free_man, you seem to travel a lot. Or google a lot? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #11 November 14, 2004 My perception of Americans DOES arise in part from the posters on this forum. I believe that we have proof here that throughout the world People are People. Simply by posting their opinions for discussion & dissection in such an open and broad forum, even the most opinionated poster is showing a degree of tolerance and a willingness to listen to the opinions of others. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #12 November 14, 2004 Quote Essential to whom? As I do not believe in TheBigCreator, I do not consider "The Law" as a must. Anyhow for non-believers like meUnimpressed And not for the average Joe of a country, which of course will have no clue what the author is talking about. The examples you showed do belong to special fields and are no all-round education. Authors on that surely could be found in every country/language, as all of them feel a strong need to show their opinions in a book. If 100 yrs ago or today. free_man, you seem to travel a lot. Or google a lot? I still think it is well worth reading for anybody who seeks freedom and truth, even if you do not believe. You are free to believe what you want to believe. The people who founded this country did believe that our rights come from the Creator. If you do not believe in "TheBigCreator", where do you believe your rights come from? The authors are not found all around the world, these are the pioneers of FREE MARKET ECONOMICS, and their views like any economic system impacts every facet of life. PEACE PS Many years of research, not google, however it can be useful. “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #13 November 14, 2004 Quote If you do not believe in "TheBigCreator", where do you believe your rights come from? Like in all on earth: The strongest determine the rules. Or in regards of today's human beings: The toughest, most clever ones, the ones with most money. And they "give" the rights, that seems to be OK. In a wolves pack, the Alpha animal determines the rules. It's always been like that and will always be. Google is helpful, not doubt dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
free_man 0 #14 November 15, 2004 Quote Like in all on earth: The strongest determine the rules. Or in regards of today's human beings: The toughest, most clever ones, the ones with most money. And they "give" the rights, that seems to be OK. In a wolves pack, the Alpha animal determines the rules. It's always been like that and will always be. I am diametrically opposed to this, because it opens the door for evil. If someone took you and your family away and made you slaves that would be OK, because they were the toughest, most clever, and had the most money. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc... were the toughest, most clever, and had the most money at a point in their lives, what they did was OK then right? It has not always been like that, man has always tried to enslave man, but this certainly does not make it right. We are not wolves. Excepting this belief that rights come from man, gives God like authority to man, and man is not capable of having such power. It will result in death, destruction, slavery, and the evilist of outcomes. "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" PEACE “…because I hope you know this, I think you do…all governments are lying cocksuckers.” Bill Hicks, Relentless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #15 November 15, 2004 My perception of Americans DOES arise in part from the posters on this forum. Quote bet it's the moderate ones, not the shouters which, although a minority, tend to raise the noise to a level where constructive discussion can not be obtained ***I believe that we have proof here that throughout the world People are People. yep QuoteSimply by posting their opinions for discussion & dissection sometimes i think some posters only post to stir the pot/stir shit/whatever and display a wide array of troll-like qualities, which is in no way representative to the behavior of a "nation" or all it's citizens like the u.s or any other country - hence my original post edit 4 spellThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #16 November 15, 2004 of course your point of view is valid - but did you have to use such drastic examples as these nutcase dictators? otoh - i guess something like a benign dictator is practically impossible another thought: but what other than wolves in disguise are political leaders anyway?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #17 November 15, 2004 Quote If someone took you and your family away and made you slaves that would be OK, because they were the toughest, most clever, and had the most money. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc... were the toughest, most clever, and had the most money at a point in their lives, what they did was OK then right? No. Where did I say that ? I wasn't judging, just stating. That's a different pair of shoes. QuoteIt has not always been like that, man has always tried to enslave man, but this certainly does not make it right. We are not wolves. Here again: I did not comment if if's right or wrong. Mankind is more evil. QuoteExcepting this belief that rights come from man, gives God like authority to man, and man is not capable of having such power. It will result in death, destruction, slavery, and the evilist of outcomes. Perhaps I misunderstand: Do you mean "Accepting this belief....."? Quote "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" That questions is addressed to whom? This might be a rhetorical question, anyhow I am interested in an answer Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #18 November 15, 2004 Hey, you're right: Where is Mr. Godwin tonight? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 28 #19 November 16, 2004 hey baby - don't you dare to kill my thread The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
