Margaret Hassan

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"The only good thing about it might be some support for our cause over there.
Nice to see that both sides make grave mistakes."

No its not.
Whats 'nice' or 'good' about any of this?

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[JohnRich 4]

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I am commenting on the increasing violence, the seemingly endless cycle of viciousness and why arent we trying to understand where it is all coming from instead of reacting so quickly and violently.

The Islamic militants want to exterminate Jews and destroy Israel. With that understanding, what do you propose our response should be? Shall we abandon Israel, our loyal ally, and allow them to be exterminated? That would make the terrorists really happy, and maybe then they wouldn't hate us so much. So does that mean that's the proper course of action for us to take? What effect would that action have on the rest of the world if we started abandoning support for our friends in response to terrorist threats?

Shall we ban Christianity and confiscate Bibles, and force everyone to read the Koran and worship Allah?

Shall we eject all females from school and make them stay home, denying them education?

Those things are what the terrorists want also. If your goal is "understanding" terrorists and making them "like" you, then that's what you should do.

Or, on the other hand, you can stand up to terrorist blackmail, and fight them to preserve your way of life, your freedom, and your prosperity.

Which way do you want to go?

[JohnRich 4]

While we're on this subject... has anyone noticed that they're not even sure that the body which was found was Ms. Hassan? All they can say is that it "resembles a western woman". So why can't they identify it? She must be mutilated in some horrible way. It's bad enough that they kill the "Mother Theresa" of Iraq, but to the go on to desecrate her body... That's the type of people we're dealing with. Negotiation and compromise mean nothing to these barbarians.

[JohnRich 4]

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I asked you a question back and you are not answering it. Guess i should start surmising from that lack of response from you.

Your suggestion that the U.S. is responsible for Hassan's death, because if they had not invaded Iraq, then the militants wouldn't have kidnapped and murdered her, was not worthy of a response.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Your suggestion that the U.S. is responsible for Hassan's death, because if they had not invaded Iraq, then the militants wouldn't have kidnapped and murdered her, was not worthy of a response.

I said question, not suggestion.

[billvon 3,006]

>With that understanding, what do you propose our response should be?

How about we start out with just not killing so many of them, see how that goes?

Did 9/11 piss you off? Now imagine a 9/11 every year; 3000 innocent people killed every year by an invader's weapons. Think that would piss you off? It pisses them off too.

[christelsabine 1]

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Your suggestion that the U.S. is responsible for Hassan's death, because if they had not invaded Iraq, then the militants wouldn't have kidnapped and murdered her, was not worthy of a response

Perhaps not worthy any response of an individual. But worthy of the "outside" world's reponse on that.

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[JohnRich 4]

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>With that understanding, what do you propose our response should be?

How about we start out with just not killing so many of them, see how that goes?

First of all, they started the killing. We were leaving them alone before 9/11/01, and that didn't stop them from killing 3,000 of us.

I don't operate with the naive belief that if we just pull out, that they will magically cease to hate us. Especially since the previous example has already proven that theory false.

[PhillyKev 0]

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First of all, they started the killing. We were leaving them alone before 9/11/01

Completely ridiculous statement.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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First of all, they started the killing. We were leaving them alone before 9/11/01, and that didn't stop them from killing 3,000 of us.

I don't operate with the naive belief that if we just pull out, that they will magically cease to hate us. Especially since the previous example has already proven that theory false.

I thought we were talking about terrorists in Iraq? They had nothing to do with 9/11.

[crozby 0]

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First of all, they started the killing. We were leaving them alone before 9/11/01, and that didn't stop them from killing 3,000 of us.

Are you suggesting SH had something to do with 9/11?

[billvon 3,006]

>First of all, they started the killing.

You're confusing Saddam Hussein with Osama Bin Laden again.

>I don't operate with the naive belief that if we just pull out, that they will
> magically cease to hate us.

Of course not. That will take years.

[JohnRich 4]

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I thought we were talking about terrorists in Iraq? They had nothing to do with 9/11.

I'm referring to terrorists in general. Many of the insurgent fighters in Iraq have streamed in from neighboring Muslim states, not locals from Iraq, whipped into a frenzy to go fight America.

[kallend 2,027]

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I thought we were talking about terrorists in Iraq? They had nothing to do with 9/11.

I'm referring to terrorists in general. Many of the insurgent fighters in Iraq have streamed in from neighboring Muslim states, not locals from Iraq, whipped into a frenzy to go fight America.

That should read "whipped into a frenzy by the Bush administration to go fight America".

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[billvon 3,006]

>Many of the insurgent fighters in Iraq have streamed in from
> neighboring Muslim states, not locals from Iraq, whipped into a
> frenzy to go fight America.

Perhaps, but 3 out of the 4 insurgents we've arrested/killed so far are native Iraqis.

This whole 'new angle' on the war - "Hey, look at all the terrorists we're killing that won't attack america!" - reminds me of that old joke:

"In the news today, a Cessna 172 crashed in the Arlington cemetary in Virginia. Death toll is unknown; 340 bodies have been discovered so far and they're still digging."

[Skyrad 0]

You mean like ETA and the IRA

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