The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

[juanesky 0]

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About trolls (taken from a link referenced in the forum rules)

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the term is generally considered to be correctly applied only to those looking to provoke outrage or discord

And that differs from a lot of what's on SC how exactly? Do you really think that posters saying "fuck the queen" is not looking to provoke outrage or discord?

It always will. However in the context that the royalty really is a useless one, to maintain riches obtained by the countless murders, rape, slavery, colonization througout the ages, and still consider it respectable, while GWB is called all kind of things, in which also includes he benefited to the riches he made by inheritance of his grandfather wealth made by Nazi's? I would call that fair game.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[wmw999 2,452]

I understand where you're coming from -- but he posts content. Long, often hard-to-read content, but content. You might disagree with it (I'm sure you do ), but he's put something out there to discuss. That puts him one level away from trolling.

The lack of a profile could be any number of things. There's at least one USPA National Director who likes to post anonymously because they think the content of their posts is the only thing they should be judged on.

He's consistent in his viewpoint -- I have a feeling he'd like to see the content of what he posts actually discussed in depth in the way some issues have been.

Because his posts are so friggin' long, and some of us don't bother to read anything that's too long, that's unlikely to happen. To start a discussion, it often takes picking out the couple of salient points and commenting on them, rather than posting a long-ass article and then saying "discuss among yourselves" without giving any personal points to start them off.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[juanesky 0]

Speak for yourself buddy, Most DZ commers I have made personal contact with, have filled out the information correctly, that pretty much puts a face to the poster.

If he decides to write as an anonimous person, then he can expect to be treated as a troll. He would create more confidence if he even dare to put on what country he is living at....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[kallend 2,027]

The characteristics described seem very accurately to describe regimes that have been unarguably fascist (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, Amin, Pinochet....

All the troll-name calling seems like an attempt by the supporters of the right to divert attention from some uncomfortable similarities.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wmw999 2,452]

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I would call that fair game.

Not in that particular way I wouldn't. Discussing the content, and adding information, is a better way to discuss than the "nanananananananana until you hear me" technique.

Constantly pushing the rules in whatever way you wish is a good way to end up with so much noise that there's no more signal. Is that really a worthy goal? It's like the guy in "Office Space" always coming back to his stapler.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Also note that "things that piss you off" do not equal "troll."

heh

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[feuergnom 28]

Speak for yourself buddy

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i did do so - didn't i?

edit to add: yes i jumped up - but this seems to me like a common problem here


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Most DZ commers I have made personal contact with, have filled out the information correctly,

before or after you've met them?

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If he decides to write as an anonimous person, then he can expect to be treated as a troll

i still don't understand this logic

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He would create more confidence if he even dare to put on what country he is living at....

so maybe he's a "redneck". or a "gook". maybe he's just a "kraut" or a "damn frenchmen" - does it really make a difference?

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[juanesky 0]

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I would call that fair game.

Not in that particular way I wouldn't. Discussing the content, and adding information, is a better way to discuss than the "nanananananananana until you hear me" technique.

Constantly pushing the rules in whatever way you wish is a good way to end up with so much noise that there's no more signal. Is that really a worthy goal? It's like the guy in "Office Space" always coming back to his stapler.

Wendy W.

Where did you get the nananana? It's supposed to be lalalalalala...

Yet indeed you are asking for when contributions and additions are made it is good, then why on earth it is ok for someone to say Bush is a piece of shit Nazi supporter Et al, yet when you point out that they are taking that out of context and put an example of something worse is "pushing" the rules?

Yep I got your tactics, but IMO I see them as goodie 2 shoes, and they will not grant you the utopia you seek. Fascism in the context of this thread is that even if you dislike GWB, and all what he stands for, you still have the right to protest, call him whatever names you like, make false documentaries, without the fear of reprisals, which in the end is an antithesis of being part of fascism.....

Carry on

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[juanesky 0]

It has been before meeting them. I have yet to meet someone in the DZ that is not what they are, although I am sure there are many that carry fake data in their profiles.

You missed the point that it adds credibility. This poster has stated that he has jumped since 98' in this forum, does it make sense that he does not include that in his profile after posting such information?

This is like inviting someone to instruct you in skydiving, yet have never jumped. Knowing who you are helps a lot in credibility....Good or bad, being anonimous does not.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Yet indeed you are asking for when contributions and additions are made it is good, then why on earth it is ok for someone to say Bush is a piece of shit Nazi supporter Et al, yet when you point out that they are taking that out of context and put an example of something worse is "pushing" the rules?

I do believe you got your chronology slightly mixed up.

[storm1977 0]

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not putting any personally Info in their profile
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you know what really sucks? basing credibility on things like jump numbers, license number, home-dz (you name it) in a forum where being a skydiver is more or less unimportant

if i take a brief look in the profiles of _many_posters in dz.com it really looks like the _the_ place for people with more posts than jumps

so to jump up for him (or any other poster) who for whatever reason there might be, has no interest in filling out their absolutely fake-proof dz-profile – the habit of flaming somebody for named reasons sucks BIG TIME

No one is basing anything on jump numbers here.... This is SC. Now, if he was giving me canopy advise that would be different.

By puting SOME info on there like name, location, age, it helps to understand the point of the person posting.... Trust me it does.

Even just location. A political comment from someone in Brazil vs someone in Chechnya (sp?) May have a different meaning, or at the very least may help the reader understand what angle this person has on their story.

Otherwise, looking at some of the post by this person over the past week, yo uwould be lead to believe this persons actions are quite troll like, and it doesn't help that there is no info in his/her profile.

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[dropoutdave 0]

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By puting SOME info on there like name, location, age, it helps to understand the point of the person posting.... Trust me it does.

Ya know what also helps you to understand the point that a poster is making....reading what they've posted and giving it some thought.

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[434 2]

You guys scares me!

You have a text to analyze, make up your mind, think twice before you post, and you cant because you do not have the posters personal information!??

[feuergnom 28]

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Even just location. A political comment from someone in Brazil vs someone in Chechnya (sp?) May have a different meaning, or at the very least may help the reader understand what angle this person has on their story.

ok - point partly taken.
why not fully?

imagine i made a post titled "interesting read", then put in the same stuff in it and then asking for opinions
would you put more "trust" in my post than in this one or would my post have a different meaning?

as for his posts being controversial: that depends on your (or my) point of view. if you like to you can read the original post as an attempt to point out certain issues in the states, but at the same time it could be applied to any present day country (even my own - well not all of the points but some....)

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[storm1977 0]

My other argument which I just PM'ed free_man with is this:

He/she has made several posts as of late like this one.
Post an article and say nothing.... no opinions.. nothing.

This is hardly a discussion. Other people do it to, and I say what is the point. THis is a discussion thread... So, where does this person stand on what they just posted.

I can copy and paste articles all day long, but without MY input, what is the point? Most of us here can read.... So, Free_man... I read your post and the ones before it, what is YOUR take? Not the Authors...Yours. I can't debate this with tthe autors who write the articles and stories you post....

Chris

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[christelsabine 1]

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would you put more "trust" in my post than in this one or would my post have a different meaning?

Yes, that's for sure. More "trust" if I know to whom I am "talking", who's replying to me. I do not like to talk through a wall not knowing, if behind that is sitting a man, a woman, a ghost or a Feuergnom

I consider it as simply inpolite, to pop up in a forum w/o giving any slightest information about "who I am and why I post that". I would break my head (if that thread is interesting to me), enter into that stuff, reply my opinions, and at the other end of the wire just is sitting a troll LHisAO.

In free_man's case, I fully agree with Storm1977. What he said is my impression, too.

Seh' ich wirklich so.

Christel

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[Lindsey 0]

Not very long ago, someone started a thread on SC about people calling Bush a Nazi. I think that person was asking for some specific allegations that supported calling Bush a Nazi. The original post in this thread would've been a good reply, imho.

Peace~
linz

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[DrunkMonkey 0]

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would you put more "trust" in my post than in this one or would my post have a different meaning?

Yes, that's for sure. More "trust" if I know to whom I am "talking", who's replying to me. I do not like to talk through a wall not knowing, if behind that is sitting a man, a woman, a ghost or a Feuergnom

I consider it as simply inpolite, to pop up in a forum w/o giving any slightest information about "who I am and why I post that". I would break my head (if that thread is interesting to me), enter into that stuff, reply my opinions, and at the other end of the wire just is sitting a troll LHisAO.

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Christel

But when I identified myself as a White American Military Male, you refused to debate me on an earlier thread simply because of my demographic...

[feuergnom 28]

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I read your post and the ones before it, what is YOUR take? Not the Authors...Yours. I can't debate this with tthe autors who write the articles and stories you post....

i totally agree with you in this point

nonetheless the guy has provided some interesting stuff to read & think about (although some of it is beyond my grasp... - maybe that's the only point he wants to make?

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[feuergnom 28]

at least this thread has accomplished one thing: the two of us united in discussion in s.c.

evil scientist laugh/ MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA /evil scientist laugh

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[christelsabine 1]

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But when I identified myself as a White American Military Male, you refused to debate me on an earlier thread simply because of my demographic

That decision was made based on the experience I made with White American Military Male Posters.... (In fact, no demography here)

Like everybody in any forum, I do not need to post if I don't want. Endless discussions with White American Military Male wanting to convince: No need.
That -in no way- was meant personal as I do not know you. It's just like that. Freedom of speech.

Christel

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[juanesky 0]

Hmm, I beg to differ, there are more than you two. Is that evil or simply skerry?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[feuergnom 28]

i guess that's


thickgermanaccent/ ant forr now ve are goink to take overr ze plezz of zis white emericans wiz our supperiorr paratrooperz - jawolll/thickgermanaccent

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

[kallend 2,027]

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not putting any personally Info in their profile
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you know what really sucks? basing credibility on things like jump numbers, license number, home-dz (you name it) in a forum where being a skydiver is more or less unimportant

if i take a brief look in the profiles of _many_posters in dz.com it really looks like the _the_ place for people with more posts than jumps

so to jump up for him (or any other poster) who for whatever reason there might be, has no interest in filling out their absolutely fake-proof dz-profile – the habit of flaming somebody for named reasons sucks BIG TIME

No one is basing anything on jump numbers here.... This is SC. Now, if he was giving me canopy advise that would be different.

By puting SOME info on there like name, location, age, it helps to understand the point of the person posting.... Trust me it does.

Even just location. A political comment from someone in Brazil vs someone in Chechnya (sp?) May have a different meaning, or at the very least may help the reader understand what angle this person has on their story.

Otherwise, looking at some of the post by this person over the past week, yo uwould be lead to believe this persons actions are quite troll like, and it doesn't help that there is no info in his/her profile.

How do you know that my "personal information" is bona fide?

Anyone posting here could, apparently, post bogus stuff about themselves (name, gender, location...) and you would be satisfied, right?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[christelsabine 1]

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i guess that's


thickgermanaccent/ ant forr now ve are goink to take overr ze plezz of zis white emericans wiz our supperiorr paratrooperz - jawolll/thickgermanaccent

And why don't you just talk in BigFatAustrianAccent, dear Feuergnom? Perhaps that sound a little more familiar then?

Leave us Germans alone, please!!

dudeist skydiver # 3105