jjiimmyyt 0 #26 November 24, 2004 What I do find strange though is for a mother to get a girlfriend and keep the kids (which, if appropriate I agree with) but 2 gay dudes cant adopt. Just because you love the cock (and believe me I don't) doesn't stop you being capable of being a really good father. Too many people seem to have homosexuality mixed up with child abuse. That just aint true. Look at me, straighter than the meridain line but shit with kids. Oh well, what ya gonna do? "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #27 November 24, 2004 this is later in life, I'm 50 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #28 November 24, 2004 sorry, mis read your post, you're talking about the kids Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #29 November 24, 2004 very well put Wendy, then the kids go home to their biological parents and siblings with the same parents, but that was then, this is now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #30 November 24, 2004 Quoteactually, kids in that situation have only one parent, the other person isn't a parent. I would speculate that these kids get lots of shit from their peers in school since kids are generally cruel to "different" kids. Gee, then my parents must have been same sex parents. My mom was pretty much there; dad not at all. Where does your theory come from? Is it that you think 1 person adopts the child and the other person just goes along for the ride? Or is it that the child is from a hetero marriage and the custodial parent "discovers" they're gay? I just don't get the hate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #31 November 24, 2004 QuoteI'm not arguing against gay parents or anything else, I'm just stating that kids living with gay COUPLES will be fucked with and probably a lot more than if they're fat, skinny, etc Where do you buy your paintbrushes? I have never been able to find the mega-broad ones that are like 3 feet across like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #32 November 24, 2004 QuoteWhere do you buy your paintbrushes? I have never been able to find the mega-broad ones that are like 3 feet across like that. Bwahahaha!!! *gasp* Good one. Sorry, had to say it, I love funny metaphors! Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #33 November 24, 2004 Hate? Where do you get hate out of anyting that I wrote? Let me reiterate, I'm not afraid of gay people, I don't hate gay people (or anyone else for that matter). There, you have it in writing again I do find it funny that the touchy, feely gang starts useing words like hate and fear whenever anyone disagrees with them tho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #34 November 24, 2004 QuoteI do find it funny that the touchy, feely gang You mean the non-hating gang? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #35 November 24, 2004 QuoteI'm not arguing against gay parents or anything else, I'm just stating that kids living with gay COUPLES will be fucked with and probably a lot more than if they're fat, skinny, etc I believe these children might suffer teasing as a result of their parental logistics but you are failing to account for the fact that most of these families live in more progressive areas. Having a more accepting demographic or more socially accepting peer group most likely negates any extra verbal abuse these children might receive. __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #36 November 24, 2004 Children from same-sex marraiges are not remotely close to being normal. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 November 24, 2004 it sounds like you're saying that someone can't be a parent without biology involved. As an adoptee, I can tell you that is flat out wrong. Parenting isn't about biology. It's about love. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #38 November 24, 2004 QuoteChildren from same-sex marraiges are not remotely close to being normal. Ahhh! I knew it! Tuna has two Moms! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #39 November 24, 2004 LMAO I read once in a psichological book a discussion about this issue, it pretty much said that the best situation possible is a man and a woman raising children, next would be same-sex parents and this being much, much better that single parent. To me it makes sense because supposing that the family is loving and normal, if the parents are same sex, there will be some issues that the kid will have to overcome than a kid with heterosexual parents will not have to, things like who is my mam,dad, how was i born, also telling friends that situation, the diferent roles that both parents take etc, etc. It does not mean that the kid will be fucked up, not at all, but at some time he will have some rough times that will mark his personality, although not necesarily for bad. I prefer for sure a homosexual couple rather than a divorced heterosexual cuple or a man that abuses his wife, etc, etc which is unfortunately much more common. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #40 November 24, 2004 Quote Children from same-sex marraiges are not remotely close to being normal. As usual, your well thought out, researched, and fact based opinion is compelling, informative, and informational. Thanks! _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #41 November 24, 2004 QuoteChildren from same-sex marraiges are not remotely close to being normal. What is "normal"? Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,547 #42 November 24, 2004 ***What is "normal"?Quote Depends on who's saying "normal." Some normals aren't very good Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Treejumps 0 #43 November 24, 2004 One article hardly makes it fact. It is very easy for left leaning researchers to come up with whatever finding they choose to find. It seems like every year "researchers" come up with more support for why socially unacceptable behavior is OK. Gays should not be permitted to adopt. If they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. We can argue forever on whether gays raising children is acceptable or not. I have no control over the general public. However, I do control my own family, and if I were to die it would be specifically prohibited in my will for my my children to be adopted by a gay couple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #44 November 24, 2004 Quotesocially unacceptable behavior is OK. Socially acceptable revolves around thoughts for that time period. This definition changes all the time as civilization changes. What was once acceptable, now isn't and so on. QuoteGays should not be permitted to adopt. If they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. So steril parents shouldn't adopt either. I mean, nature took away their ability to procreate for a reason, right? QuoteI do control my own family, Influence, yes. Control no. Hopefully your family, like you, have their own life experiences to base their opinions on. Not what YOU or anyone else wants them to believe. Trying to manipulate them into your way of thinking doesn't sound very nurturing to me. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Falko 0 #45 November 24, 2004 QuoteSome normals aren't very good I somehow dislike the meaning of the word "normal". The norm is boring! Never expected that skydivers (who IMHO are lightyears away from "the norm") would be bashing something that is "not normal" when it comes to family values. All it comes down to in the end is if a parent/parents love their child and care for it in a responsible manner. The rest (like classic family structures etc) is all an illusion, a "picture" that in itself means nothing. my 2 Pfennig duh eurocents. edit4typo Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,547 #46 November 24, 2004 What are the findings about children raised by bigots? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #47 November 24, 2004 My guess is they tend to become bigots as well, then raise more bigots! But I guess bigotry is socially acceptabe behavior whereas homosexuality is not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Falko 0 #48 November 24, 2004 QuoteGays should not be permitted to adopt. Hail again, my Kamerad. I suppord your view und tinck ve shudd ixterminate dem low liferrrs NOW! QuoteIf they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. If you were meant to fly nature would have given you wings. Maybe you should consequently stay on the ground from now on! Quoteit would be specifically prohibited in my will for my my children to be adopted by a gay couple. God forbid that will happen. Oh doh! He did, didn't he? Let me check my bible. Oh-double-doh! I don't have a bible. Oh my what do I do now? Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,547 #49 November 24, 2004 QuoteOne article hardly makes it fact. It is very easy for left leaning researchers to come up with whatever finding they choose to find. It seems like every year "researchers" come up with more support for why socially unacceptable behavior is OK. The article doesn't make it fact. It's documentation of what they found. If it can be replicated, that makes it a good piece of research, a piece of a puzzle of human behavior, and how children end up with the thoughts and feelings they do. How is "socially acceptable" defined? Who owns the concept? If it's publicly owned, does it change if enough people think so? Like skirts on women, hats on men, racial discrimination, married women being schoolteachers? And as far as your own children, if you build up good relationships with people during your life, I can't imagine why the guardians you select in your will wouldn't be the ones who would raise your children. That's the whole reason for having guardians. But it's better to select guardians than to simply say who you won't want involved. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craichead 0 #50 November 24, 2004 QuoteOne article hardly makes it fact. Didn't say it was a fact. I said it was supporting evidence that kids raised by same-sex parents turn out pretty much the same as any other kid in terms of being well-adjusted individuals in society. Just like kids of two skydivers, or kids of two immigrants, or kids of two fat people, or kids of two whatever-happens-to-be-the-same-trait/characteristic. QuoteIt is very easy for left leaning researchers to come up with whatever finding they choose to find. Okay, where is your "right-leaning" psychological study that supports that most kids of same-sex parents are fucked up? Hm? QuoteIf they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. So, by that logic, infertile heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt, either. 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Treejumps 0 #43 November 24, 2004 One article hardly makes it fact. It is very easy for left leaning researchers to come up with whatever finding they choose to find. It seems like every year "researchers" come up with more support for why socially unacceptable behavior is OK. Gays should not be permitted to adopt. If they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. We can argue forever on whether gays raising children is acceptable or not. I have no control over the general public. However, I do control my own family, and if I were to die it would be specifically prohibited in my will for my my children to be adopted by a gay couple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #44 November 24, 2004 Quotesocially unacceptable behavior is OK. Socially acceptable revolves around thoughts for that time period. This definition changes all the time as civilization changes. What was once acceptable, now isn't and so on. QuoteGays should not be permitted to adopt. If they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. So steril parents shouldn't adopt either. I mean, nature took away their ability to procreate for a reason, right? QuoteI do control my own family, Influence, yes. Control no. Hopefully your family, like you, have their own life experiences to base their opinions on. Not what YOU or anyone else wants them to believe. Trying to manipulate them into your way of thinking doesn't sound very nurturing to me. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #45 November 24, 2004 QuoteSome normals aren't very good I somehow dislike the meaning of the word "normal". The norm is boring! Never expected that skydivers (who IMHO are lightyears away from "the norm") would be bashing something that is "not normal" when it comes to family values. All it comes down to in the end is if a parent/parents love their child and care for it in a responsible manner. The rest (like classic family structures etc) is all an illusion, a "picture" that in itself means nothing. my 2 Pfennig duh eurocents. edit4typo Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,547 #46 November 24, 2004 What are the findings about children raised by bigots? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #47 November 24, 2004 My guess is they tend to become bigots as well, then raise more bigots! But I guess bigotry is socially acceptabe behavior whereas homosexuality is not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #48 November 24, 2004 QuoteGays should not be permitted to adopt. Hail again, my Kamerad. I suppord your view und tinck ve shudd ixterminate dem low liferrrs NOW! QuoteIf they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. If you were meant to fly nature would have given you wings. Maybe you should consequently stay on the ground from now on! Quoteit would be specifically prohibited in my will for my my children to be adopted by a gay couple. God forbid that will happen. Oh doh! He did, didn't he? Let me check my bible. Oh-double-doh! I don't have a bible. Oh my what do I do now? Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,547 #49 November 24, 2004 QuoteOne article hardly makes it fact. It is very easy for left leaning researchers to come up with whatever finding they choose to find. It seems like every year "researchers" come up with more support for why socially unacceptable behavior is OK. The article doesn't make it fact. It's documentation of what they found. If it can be replicated, that makes it a good piece of research, a piece of a puzzle of human behavior, and how children end up with the thoughts and feelings they do. How is "socially acceptable" defined? Who owns the concept? If it's publicly owned, does it change if enough people think so? Like skirts on women, hats on men, racial discrimination, married women being schoolteachers? And as far as your own children, if you build up good relationships with people during your life, I can't imagine why the guardians you select in your will wouldn't be the ones who would raise your children. That's the whole reason for having guardians. But it's better to select guardians than to simply say who you won't want involved. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #50 November 24, 2004 QuoteOne article hardly makes it fact. Didn't say it was a fact. I said it was supporting evidence that kids raised by same-sex parents turn out pretty much the same as any other kid in terms of being well-adjusted individuals in society. Just like kids of two skydivers, or kids of two immigrants, or kids of two fat people, or kids of two whatever-happens-to-be-the-same-trait/characteristic. QuoteIt is very easy for left leaning researchers to come up with whatever finding they choose to find. Okay, where is your "right-leaning" psychological study that supports that most kids of same-sex parents are fucked up? Hm? QuoteIf they were meant to raise children nature would have given them the means to create them. So, by that logic, infertile heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt, either. Interesting. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
