Zep 0 #1 November 24, 2004 This morning over coffé I was having an argument over what a PARABELLUM is (Context fire arm ie:9mm parabellum) I said it was the Borchart and Luger pistol and my friend says it's the type of cartridge So who's right? Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 November 24, 2004 You're both right. The name comes from the latin "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" It is both the model of firearms and the name of a cartridge. The "9mm" is called by many names, including 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, and 9x19. Luger was the maker, Parabellum was a string of firearms, and the cartridge was named for the maker, the gun, and its size. No one name is more correct than another. It just never was set it stone like the .45 ACP was. (funny, since it is not only for automatics, is not only for colts, and is not only for pistols) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 November 24, 2004 Parabellum is the generic term for 9mm Luger, a/k/a 9x19mm. Parabellum is to Luger what tissue is to kleenex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #4 November 24, 2004 The Parabellum name comes from ancient Latin saying Si vis Pacem, Para bellum - if you want Peace, prepare for War. It was then name of the pistol of the Luger type, and then it stuck to the ammo... when you go buy a box of 9mm the box usually says 9mm Luger or 9mm Parabellum. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #5 November 24, 2004 Thanks guys your answers we're great. So tomorrow I'll be paying for his Coffé an he'll be paying for mine Oh an for you gun enthusiasts my favourite collectors piece is the 1928 LeFransais long military model 9mm Browning Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #6 November 24, 2004 Yeah, Parabellum simply means, "For War." Think of the "ante-bellum South" -- that was the South before the Civil War. "Ante" = before; "Bellum" = war. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #7 November 24, 2004 ...it's kind of a curve-y shape that follows the formula: y = ax2 + bx + c. -Oh hold up, I thought we were talking 'parabola' here... I know, I know..."Mathematical geniuses please leave the thread." ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 November 24, 2004 Quote...it's kind of a curve-y shape that follows the formula: y = ax2 + bx + c. -Oh hold up, I thought we were talking 'parabola' here... I know, I know..."Mathematical geniuses please leave the thread." Actually, the parabellum is the part of the brain that controls involuntary movements under canopy. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #9 November 24, 2004 QuoteQuote...it's kind of a curve-y shape that follows the formula: y = ax2 + bx + c. -Oh hold up, I thought we were talking 'parabola' here... I know, I know..."Mathematical geniuses please leave the thread." Actually, the parabellum is the part of the brain that controls involuntary movements under canopy. D'oh, no no Lawrocket...not 'Parabellum'...that's 'Cherub'sHarem'...y'know, that part in the brain that leads you to do stupid things whilest landing in the hopes of gaining a sexual partner before the bonfire flames out after the beer light comes on... Actually a common occurrence at some DZ's, I've heard report...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #10 November 24, 2004 you bunch of luny's, Ive a good mind to come and Para your bellum's I've a mission in life, convert everybody to English humour and sarcasum. Come on you know it's good for you!!!!!!! Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #11 November 24, 2004 Quote you bunch of luny's, Ive a good mind to come and Para your bellum's I've a mission in life, convert everybody to English humour and sarcasum. Come on you know it's good for you!!!!!!! That's "Spanka-their-Bottom"! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncaged 0 #13 November 25, 2004 If you "mike" a 9mm, its decimal equivalent is .380,which some refer to as 9mm short, if you "mike" a 38 Special its .357, which begs the question, whats a .357? A longer .38 Special. .45 ACP still rocks though... just my 2 pesos When the going gets weird, The weird turn pro... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #14 November 25, 2004 Oh, so you want pictures, do you... http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/intro9mm/witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #15 November 25, 2004 Dude. Your fingers are really pink! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #16 November 25, 2004 QuoteIf you "mike" a 9mm, its decimal equivalent is .380,which some refer to as 9mm short, if you "mike" a 38 Special its .357, which begs the question, whats a .357? A longer .38 Special. .45 ACP still rocks though... just my 2 pesos Well for a Peso more you should tell them that a .44 special and a .44 magnum are the same caliber, and neither of them are .44. Go on. Help them! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #17 November 25, 2004 9 x 19 mm From the latin as posted above. For a while I considered having that as a tattoo... glad I didn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ditch9276 0 #18 November 25, 2004 QuoteIf you "mike" a 9mm, its decimal equivalent is .380,which some refer to as 9mm short, if you "mike" a 38 Special its .357, which begs the question, whats a .357? A longer .38 Special. .45 ACP still rocks though... just my 2 pesos What really rocks is p-g, with the right ammo, this thing will open doors and have great *whhooom* included The only rings that are worth wearing, are those of my 3-ring-system!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uncaged 0 #19 November 25, 2004 You Sir, are correct. I am sorely remiss in my worthless ammo minutia... Y'all have an awesome Turkey Day... When the going gets weird, The weird turn pro... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 November 25, 2004 Damnit, how did I miss this thread? And its already been answered, I finally had a use for my knowledge of "useless trivia" (what Morgan calls it) besides yelling the answers at the idiots playing Jepordy on TV who don't know the answer. I had my chance and I was late to the thread. Damn.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #21 November 25, 2004 QuoteYour fingers are really pink! Yeah, I noticed that. Something about the camera lighting... Maybe I should go rub them in grease on a car engine to make them look like "real man" hands... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #22 November 25, 2004 QuoteDamnit, how did I miss this thread? And its already been answered, I finally had a use for my knowledge of "useless trivia" (what Morgan calls it) besides yelling the answers at the idiots playing Jepordy on TV who don't know the answer. I had my chance and I was late to the thread. Damn. Ok Dave, here's on just for you. Why is the .44 more powerful than the .45. An remember your answering to a dumb Euro who is'nt legally allowed to carry a hand gun. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #23 November 25, 2004 QuoteIf you "mike" a 9mm, its decimal equivalent is .380,which some refer to as 9mm short... Well, that refers to the bullet diameter only. As the attached photo shows, with a .380 on the left, and a 9 mm on the right, there are large differences between the two cartridges. The 9 mm has a heavier bullet, larger case, more powder and higher velocity. The whole caliber thing is weird anyway. The names usually don't actually represent the true diameter. For example, .308 is actually .311, and 8 mm is actually 7.92. Go figure! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 November 25, 2004 44 vs 45? Has to do with the powder load, case size and then of course the resulting muzzle velocity.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #25 November 26, 2004 Metallic Cartridge Nomenclature (How the .30-30, .30-06, and other favorites got their names) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
