Six Hunters Murdered on Private Land in Wisconsin

[Viking 0]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6551094

This is very disturbing. They went out hunting with friends and ended up getting killed.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6551094

This is very disturbing. They went out hunting with friends and ended up getting killed.

A clear cut case of racism combined with lax gun controls.

[Viking 0]

How can you say its clear cut when there are two different stories, and the courts havn't even figured out what happened yet?

here is a crap load of links on the story.

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=Chai+Vang&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t

I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver
My God has a bigger dick than your god -George Carlin

[pleifer 0]

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A clear cut case of racism combined with lax gun controls.

Nope, could'nt be that the guy was few cards short of a full deck

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[mnealtx 0]

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A clear cut case of racism combined with lax gun controls.

Nope, could'nt be that the guy was few cards short of a full deck

Of course not!! It was that EEEEEEEEVIL gun!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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A clear cut case of racism combined with lax gun controls.

Nope, could'nt be that the guy was few cards short of a full deck

Of course not!! It was that EEEEEEEEVIL gun!

Heyyy, I have one just like it, and I even have an evil BAYONET on mine! And I haven't killed a single person yet! What am I doing wrong??

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[mnealtx 0]

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A clear cut case of racism combined with lax gun controls.

Nope, could'nt be that the guy was few cards short of a full deck

Of course not!! It was that EEEEEEEEVIL gun!

Heyyy, I have one just like it, and I even have an evil BAYONET on mine! And I haven't killed a single person yet! What am I doing wrong??

-Jeffrey

Oh, you'll be next...we'll be hearing about the drive by bayonettings you did with that EVIL ASSAULT WEAPON.

They'll never understand that it's the person USING the tool and not the tool itself....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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They'll never understand that it's the person USING the tool and not the tool itself....

Well, they'll claim that the tool made it "easier" to do the killings...

I don't know, but, hey, informal poll time:

Raise your hand if you would find it "easy" to murder people... even with a so-called "assault weapon"...

I didn't think so.

So maybe murder really is all about a murder-capable mentality, and not the tool used.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[miked10270 0]

Hey! Of course the tool made the job easier. A hammer makes the job of driving nails into stuff easier. If someone was killed by having a nail hammered into them, would we ban ALL hammers and nails? Or only the "more lethal Assault Hammers" and "Armour Piercing Nails"!!?? A drill makes putting holes in stuff easier. If someone was killed with a drill would we ban all drills? Just the more easily concealsed Battery Drills? Would we restrict the supply of certain drill bits?

Getting back to this particular case.... The fundamental problem is that fire was given AND returned. As such, who ACTUALLY fired first is difficult to establish. Had it been a case of who fired (& who didn't) then it would be clearer. I'd be looking for someone whose gun wasn't fired and listen to him. Beyond that, this seems to have escalated from a minor trespassing into a "Wild West" shootout, and no-one who fired in this incident emerges entirely blameless.

If only we could seperate the guns from the idiots .

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Zep 0]

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If only we could seperate the guns from the idiots .

Mike.

Now that is the most sensible answer in a long time, What a pity thier is no way to inforce it.

A FIRE ARM IS A TOOL NO MORE NO LESS, People kill.

Gone fishing

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If only we could seperate the guns from the idiots .

Mike.

Now that is the most sensible answer in a long time, What a pity thier is no way to inforce it.

Ha. There is!!! I've just proposed fitting all guns with an "Idiot-Detector" on the "Gun_Ban" thread!!!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Zep 0]

So you've Banned the entire North american continent (except Canada and Alska) from owning fire arms!

Gone fishing

[miked10270 0]

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So you've Banned the entire North american continent (except Canada and Alska) from owning fire arms!

Nope! I've only prevented about 300 million of them from shooting at warm targets!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[freethefly 6]

My air nailgun can drive a framing nail through a mans skull. I have considered converting it to full auto. With a portable air compressor, enough airhose and one very long extention cord I will be one deadly son of a bitch. If they were to ban air nailguns they'll get mine when they pry my dead cold fingers from it.
As far as the prick who shot the hunters over a tree stand...he is abit out of plumb. He shot unarmed men. Hang the s.o.b. Regardless if they called him a name, boo-hoo-hoo, you do not flashback to old west mentality. You file a lawsuit and hash it out in court. But he crossed a fine line and now there is another bullet in the anti-gun lobbys gunbelt to use in the argument that guns are not safe. Much like our sport, guns are only as safe as the people who use them are. I am a gun owner and treat my gun with respect. The same attitude that I take with me skydiving, I take with me when holding a gun. Mike is right as are so many others that if you ban guns you have to make a list of what else to ban. With who gets their hands on any type of weapon is a hit or miss. Simply put, murders cannot be stopped. Bans on firearms will not put any dent on homicide. Ban guns and there will most likely be an increase with other weapons. Even a more stringent mental screening will not ensure the public as shown in the hunter murders. Humans have been killing each other since our very beginning. One would think we would realize by now that we will kill untill our very end. How sad nothing is ever learned.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[mnealtx 0]

Again...poor impulse control.

Now the Brady bunch and their minions will be projecting this asshole's actions onto the rest of us and screaming for more bans...

Linkage here.

edited to fix my clicky screwup...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Zep 0]

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So you've Banned the entire North american continent (except Canada and Alska) from owning fire arms!

Nope! I've only prevented about 300 million of them from shooting at warm targets!

Mike.

Now there's a thing, wer'e both British an you took my answer as it was intended, a joke.

Wait till the no humour Americans wake up.

Gone fishing

[miked10270 0]

"Wait till the no humour Americans wake up."

Shhh..... Or you'll wake them & spoil their dreams of a sniper rifle with a 3,750 mile range AND no "Idiot-Detector"!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Sabre2th 0]

Guns don't kill people.... I do.

Edited to add a constructive comment to this thread: Hw was tresspassing correct? So, technically, the hunters had the right to shoot first.....right? I mean you are on their property..... In other words, he should not have argued, and just left, if there was an argument. Who knows, sounds like both parties may have had some responsibility.

Nick.

Those who dance, are cosidered insane by those who can't hear the music.

[Kennedy 0]

I just want to make sure we're on the same page.

The killer was trespassing on private property. The victims and other targets who managed to not get shot were rightfully on that private property. The killer was in their treestand, on their land.

skip verbals and first shot because we don't know one way or the other

killer was not hit by any bullets fired or alledgely fired by victims.
no bullet holes were found in or around treestand.
killer chased after victims when they ran away.


I really don't see the responsibility that could fall on the heads of the victims?


ps - gravitymaster: nice PC immitation, but you can't call it racism because it was an asian against white people, and racism can't possibly happen against white people.

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[Sabre2th 0]

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and racism can't possibly happen against white people.

LOL Good one!

Nick.

Those who dance, are cosidered insane by those who can't hear the music.

[MC208B 0]

Sad story. And to think this all started over deer hunting.

Why can't people just run down to Safeway or Fred Meyers and get some nutrious, delicious beef, pork, lamb or fish?

Better yet, become a vegan.

All this horrible gun violence wouldn't have happened if we could "all just get along with our friends in the animal kingdom" but then that opens up a debate about the "vegetable community"

But seriously, it seems that the shooter doubled back and shot some of his victims in the back. I bet that somewhere in his trial his Hmong, bad childhood, white soldiers raped his country, blah blah blah will be raised in his defense.

Sad.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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ps - gravitymaster: nice PC immitation, but you can't call it racism because it was an asian against white people, and racism can't possibly happen against white people.

Bet you a cold one the guy's defense will be that the other hunters were using racist slurs, calling him a gook etc and he just snapped.

[EBSB52 0]

And here I thought they were there to murder non-human animals only....... hmmmm, rules must have changed and didn't send down the memo.

Being an animal lover and vegetarian, I don't see a real problem with this. The animals looked on at a bunch of idiots shooting each other.

Also, per a newspaper report I read, after the first one was shot, he called in the rest of the other hunters for help........ seems like role reversal, as hunters buy various devices to call-in animals, yet they were the ones getting called-in here.

BTW, I'm pro-gun as anyone here - own several, just chose to shoot non-living targets and use them for personal protection.

[rhino 0]

I find it hard to believe that this man just shot and killed 6 people for no reason...

Frankly I am more apt to believe him than the sole survivor in the group stating that he was running after them, shooting them in the back and hunting them down. Half of his family was killed. Of course he is going to paint the worst story possible.

My guess is the person that did the killing "army vet" was telling the truth. He likely feared for his life, figuring they were all hunting "It's them or me"..

The evidence of the crime scene will tell the tale..

Rhino

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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And here I thought they were there to murder non-human animals only....... hmmmm, rules must have changed and didn't send down the memo.

Being an animal lover and vegetarian, I don't see a real problem with this. The animals looked on at a bunch of idiots shooting each other.

Now I don't consider that a very mature thing to say, at all. People died, here. Show some respect.

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Also, per a newspaper report I read, after the first one was shot, he called in the rest of the other hunters for help........ seems like role reversal, as hunters buy various devices to call-in animals, yet they were the ones getting called-in here.

Now you're likening these humans to animals?
I think it speaks something of the people who were killed that they did NOT circle this guy like they were out to kill him (his claim is that they shot at him first); there was ONE gun found among the hunters who responded. I myself find this odd, if they were hunters summoned by a guy who said he'd been shot, but then maybe they thought he meant a hunting accident...

Of course, with stories like this, often the inaccurate first reports are seldom corrected in follow-up stories. It's not like the Palm Beach Post is going to dog this story to its conclusion. They'll report only those refreshers that can tittilate the audience, but they are certainly not wrapped up in a responsibility to make sure you can follow all the developments along the way. For certain, it is possible that after the first "one gun was found among the 8 hunters" report, more guns might possibly have been found.

Who knows.

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BTW, I'm pro-gun as anyone here - own several, just chose to shoot non-living targets and use them for personal protection.

I'm a non-hunter also, but that's just a personal thing and I don't have a problem with people hunting. And I don't disparage them the way you seem disposed to. I too shoot non-living targets and will shoot only those humans who threaten my life.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"