My new toy!!!!

[sabr190 0]

How do like??

Minus the bi-pod

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa

[AggieDave 6]

NICE!

A fun toy or are you gonna do some competitions?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[sabr190 0]

Just for fun to start. then who knows.

Both my niece and nephew ( ages 12 and 10) are competitive shooters, I thought it would be nice to go practice with them and not have to borrow one of their weapons.

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa

[freethefly 6]

Love the gun.
I had a Uzi and a Ruger Mini14 back in the early 80's. The Uzi is not much for target practice, but man was it a fun gun to shoot.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[SkyDekker 1,465]

my gun is definately bigger than your gun.

[Darius11 12]

Nice (Darius Drools)

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[JohnRich 4]

Is that a 16-inch barrel? I'm not sure that's much good for beyond a couple hundred yards...

You would have done better with a 20-inch barrel, heavy barrel (HBar) with a 1-in-7 twist rate.

And: Lions and tigers and assault weapons, oh my! You have all the evil features; removable magazine, pistol grip, collapsible stock, bayonet lug, 20-round magazine, and flash suppressor. Don't you know that those are only good for killing people? You're going to give Chuckie Schumer a heart attack!

[AggieDave 6]

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You would have done better with a 20-inch barrel, heavy barrel (HBar) with a 1-in-7 twist rate.

Then you've got to fuck with that 20" barrel in a CQB environment, which is how this weapon is setup.


Damn I'm jealous. Ok, that settles it, I'm buying an "assault" rifle next.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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How do like??

I don't.

For play an external M16A2 profile makes you eligible for NRA highpower; a compensator is more fun for plinking (you can spot hits through a scope); full length hand guards give you a better sight radius for iron sights; a flat top has more optics options; you need a floating fore-end for an AR15 to be consistantly more accurate than the shooter (10 rings, pop cans, and prarie dogs are lot smaller than battle field targets).

You can argue the merits of barell weight either way - I'd take a heavy weight for formal ocassions in the 3 positions and off the bipod, light weight if I had to hump it arround (Nearly an inch of barrel under my handguard is a lot of weight to lug arround).

It looks like a short barrel with a long flash hider added to bring it out to the 16" legal minimum below which you need to register, pay your tax, etc.

Assuming that's the case I really don't like it.

The terminal ballistics of M193/M855 are only interesting when they fragment. Fragmentation only occurs reliably when the bullet is going at least 2700fps.

Effective ranges are therefore as follows:

M193 55 grain round
20" Barrel - 190-200m
16" Barrel - 140-150m
14.5" Barrel - 95-100m
11.5" Barrel - 40-45m

M855 62 grain round
20" Barrel - 140-150m
16" Barrel - 90-95m
14.5" Barrel -45-50m
11.5" Barrel - 12-15m

The short barrel has drastically reduced your range and done nothing to improve gun handling. The permanantly attached muzzle appliance that goes with it also limits what you can change (muzzle appliance, front sight, float tube).

A 16 (inside) or 20" lightweight (outside) / M16A1 profile (note that surplus 1 in 12" barrels don't work with M855) is therefore a much better choice for social use especially when you're stuck outside the NFA SBR length limit.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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IYou have all the evil features ... bayonet lug

Don't you know that those are only good for killing people?

Even my 93 Mauser has one of those.

It left the Oberndorf factory between 1894 and 1897, which means legally speaking it's not a firearm and can therefore be shipped across state lines to a non-licensee :-)

It was even updated to fire modern 7.92x57 for WWII.

Schumer and Fenstein can put that in their pipes and smoke it.

"We've got to close the 1898 loophole! Some of those guns could be used in a drive-by bayonettings! Look at the extra stabbing range you get from the 29" barrell and extra-length poker! Even the bullets are more powerful than a modern assault weapon! The sights go out to 2000 meters, over a mile away!"

[sabr190 0]

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How do like??

I don't.

For play an external M16A2 profile makes you eligible for NRA highpower; a compensator is more fun for plinking (you can spot hits through a scope); full length hand guards give you a better sight radius for iron sights; a flat top has more optics options; you need a floating fore-end for an AR15 to be consistantly more accurate than the shooter (10 rings, pop cans, and prarie dogs are lot smaller than battle field targets).

You can argue the merits of barell weight either way - I'd take a heavy weight for formal ocassions in the 3 positions and off the bipod, light weight if I had to hump it arround (Nearly an inch of barrel under my handguard is a lot of weight to lug arround).

It looks like a short barrel with a long flash hider added to bring it out to the 16" legal minimum below which you need to register, pay your tax, etc.

Assuming that's the case I really don't like it.

The terminal ballistics of M193/M855 are only interesting when they fragment. Fragmentation only occurs reliably when the bullet is going at least 2700fps.

Effective ranges are therefore as follows:

M193 55 grain round
20" Barrel - 190-200m
16" Barrel - 140-150m
14.5" Barrel - 95-100m
11.5" Barrel - 40-45m

M855 62 grain round
20" Barrel - 140-150m
16" Barrel - 90-95m
14.5" Barrel -45-50m
11.5" Barrel - 12-15m

The short barrel has drastically reduced your range and done nothing to improve gun handling. The permanantly attached muzzle appliance that goes with it also limits what you can change (muzzle appliance, front sight, float tube).

A 16 (inside) or 20" lightweight (outside) / M16A1 profile (note that surplus 1 in 12" barrels don't work with M855) is therefore a much better choice for social use especially when you're stuck outside the NFA SBR length limit.

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It's a good thing I have a FFL holder in the family who can get me the suggestions you lined out.

Also, this weapon is not identical to the one I purchased, which has the removable top handle for the later addition of optics. It is the 11.5 inch barrel with a 5" flash suppressor. I didn't buy it for long range target, but mostly for CQB and for the plain and simple fact it looks FUCKING MEAN

C'mon admit it, you like it a little bit

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa

[Douva 0]

I certainly hope you'll be brining the new addition to the family down to San Marcos next time you come. It can get mighty lonely shooting up the landing area on rainy days all by myself.

--Douva

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[LearningTOfly 0]

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M193 55 grain round
20" Barrel - 190-200m
16" Barrel - 140-150m
14.5" Barrel - 95-100m
11.5" Barrel - 40-45m

M855 62 grain round
20" Barrel - 140-150m
16" Barrel - 90-95m
14.5" Barrel -45-50m
11.5" Barrel - 12-15m

Kindof confused here... I'd expect that the heavier round would carry a tad farther... momentum=mass*velocity in conjunction with the same surface area as the 55 gr. round. More mass= more momentum...

[MC208B 0]

that's a nice weapon, but I still prefer my WASR-10

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Kindof confused here... I'd expect that the heavier round would carry a tad farther...

The heavier bullet has a higher sectional density so it takes longer to loose speed, although the lighter bullet leaves the gun going ~200fps faster. Out past 200 yards the heavier bullet is going faster although that's past the point where either has enough speed to fragment reliably and you want something bigger.

Maybe .308?

Every one should have sport utility rifles in both calibers.

[mattsplat 0]

Now all you need is a trunck of a car sitting somewhere in the south facing a gas station and a 16 yr old kid

[sabr190 0]

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I certainly hope you'll be brining the new addition to the family down to San Marcos next time you come. It can get mighty lonely shooting up the landing area on rainy days all by myself.

--Douva

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I hope it's not raining the next time I come down there

But, I'll bring it anyway, just in case

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa

[sabr190 0]

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Now all you need is a trunck of a car sitting somewhere in the south facing a gas station and a 16 yr old kid

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Are you kidding?? I'm from Texas! You should know we all drive extended cab pick-ups with hard top bed covers, no need to hide in a trunk, just drop the tailgate and start blazing

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa

[JohnRich 4]

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"We've got to close the 1898 loophole! Some of those guns could be used in a drive-by bayonettings! Look at the extra stabbing range you get from the 29" barrell and extra-length poker! Even the bullets are more powerful than a modern assault weapon! The sights go out to 2000 meters, over a mile away!"

Hey, shut the heck up! You don't want to go giving the loonie anti-gun folks any new ideas...

[JohnRich 4]

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Then you've got to fuck with that 20" barrel in a CQB environment, which is how this weapon is setup.

How much more difficult can 4" of barrel be?

And a 20" barrel gives you the ability to shoot accurately out to 600 yards. I'd rather have the extra 4" on the barrel, and the extra capability. But that's just me. To each his own!

[JohnRich 4]

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it is the 11.5 inch barrel with a 5" flash suppressor.

Never, ever remove the flash suppressor. That would make the barrel length too short, and could land you 10 years in prison.

Remember Randy Weaver: an inch too short on a barrel got his wife and son assassinated.

[JohnRich 4]

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Out past 200 yards the heavier bullet is going faster although that's past the point where either has enough speed to fragment reliably

Good info for combat, but for target shooting fragmentation doesn't matter and the heavier bullets are considered better, since you get reduced wind drift. All the high-power AR-15 shooters I know are using at least the 69 gr. bullets, for 600 yards many go to the 77 gr., and for 1,000 yards they use the 80 gr.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Remember Randy Weaver: an inch too short on a barrel got his wife and son assassinated.

That's kind of a funny statement coming from a guy who keeps screaming that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[PhillyKev 0]

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Remember Randy Weaver: an inch too short on a barrel got his wife and son assassinated.

That's kind of a funny statement coming from a guy who keeps screaming that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

The gun with the short barrel didn't kill anyone. Federal agents killed his son and wife because he owned a gun that was too short.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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it is the 11.5 inch barrel with a 5" flash suppressor.

Never, ever remove the flash suppressor. That would make the barrel length too short, and could land you 10 years in prison.

When sold to civilians and not acompanied by a tax stamp such guns have
the muzzle appliance silver soldered or pinned and welded in place. Removing it would be difficult.