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Ron 10
QuoteNo... rather that (most) Americans don't care about anybody besides themselves
No, they are only concerned with what affects them. That is a big difference.
I don't care who is charge in Canada, I don't care who is in charge in Germany. It does not affect me.
That is not the same as not caring about anyone else. I care about other people, I just don't give a shit about other governments since other governments don't affect me.
What I find funny is that people from other countries care so much about the US...Or so they claim.
Fact is very few people know anything about what is going on in the US. I have talked to several people from overseas that were pissed about Bush getting re-elected. They wanted Kerry. I asked them what they knew about Kerry and they knew very little to nothing about the man. The only thing they knew was that he was not Bush.
So how can they have an opinion on who should run a country when they don't know jack about the canidate they wanted?
And the simple fact is no matter how much other people bash us for our news media being lap dogs....They get their information from their news agencies as well.
And several of their news agencies had the same party line about this last election....Anyone but Bush.
They didn't know about Kerry because THEIR news agencies didn't cover him. Instead they trashed Bush.
I find it funny that a good number of people outside the US think they know anything about the US.
You claim we don't understand your country....What makes you think you understand ours?
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
QuoteChristel, you need to forget the west coast and NYC. Come down south. It's more friendly. You could come to Arkansas and we'll have a "wtw", you know: a white trash weekend. I'll get some old cars, stoves, and refrigerators dumped in the front yard and we'll drink beer, and shoot our guns at that junk right off the front porch. After that we'll go looking for fresh roadkill. No racoons or possums for us, my wife has some good recipes in her "Poor White Trash Cookbook" for beagle burgers and shepherd pie. After that we can go down to Hope, birthplace of Bill Clinton. Hope is actually more famous as the "watermelon capital of the world". They locals say Bill met and fell in love with his first watermelon there. She was real warm about noon. Then it's on to Little Rock to vist our famous governor who turns convicted criminals loose on the public. He lets em loose for good behavior and a relationship with Jesus. Trouble is, some have killed again. Next stop is the Presidential Library nobody but Bill's lawyer buddies wanted. It looks like a doublewide trailer, but that's Bill's style. You have an open invitation
Now, that's what I call an invitation
ROFLMAO
The White Trash is exactly what I'd love to see as I read about it once in a magazin. But, to live it must be the perfect event with wonderful roadkill BBQs.
If only I could bring along my shotgut, it would be a pleasure to me killing some old fridges in your backyard
So, that's fixed. And where to jump ?
BTW: I always felt, there is something wrong in Bill's and Hillary's married life
Now, I know why!
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mr2mk1g 10
QuoteWhat I find funny is that people from other countries care so much about the US
Comes down to the same point you make as the US being interested in what affects the US.
People arround the globe are interested in who the next POTUS is because affects them. It would be true to say that THE person with the biggest effect on world economies and world terrorism is the POTUS... thus they are interested in who you guys vote for.
I'd add quickly mind you that 99% of people, while "interested" really couldn't give enough of a damn to do anything at all about it. When asked for their view they'll give it... but I certainly couldn't see anyone going out of their way to do so - people just don't care that much.
Faber 0
QuoteJust as I'm sure they wouldn't mind my going over their as a tourist and embracing their culture and country
how ironic,i think america is the country in the world pushing other countryes to play their "music"
Many euro people look at US as a scarry nation,not that you usaly want to harm us but showing the world that you deside means that the day we say somthing US dont like,its our turn.. some people would call that Terro,now go figure...
I do like US and looking forward to do my first trip next summer.The americans always spoke(well almost always
) nice to me aslong i dont coment their politics...
I live in a country were im allowed to say that my goverment sucks.And people wouldnt raise much attention if i did,but doing so in US seems to me like trashing a flag or alike,then i dont feel people are free anymore.. and cant call it democratic...
So the sum. for me is that the americans are nice people aslong you get along whith them
And as said before your $is low,you pay no VAT,which means cheap stuff for me
Stay safe
Stefan Faber
Just my 2 euro-cents...
Some people has wondered why we euros care so much about who americans choose as POTUS.
First you have to understand that Europe have had its share of wars and most of us are quite fed up with them. Every country has its history, but just in Spain, we have had to deal recently with a devastating civil war, 20 years of dictatorship, 30 years of terrorism that has just gotten worse.
If your president had started his war by himself, we would still be entitled to our opinion, but we wouldn´t be so loud. Bush has blackmailed, threaten and bribe other countries to do war with him. We, europeans, do not apreciate it. We don´t want any more wars, and you must admit that the reasons for this war are doubtful at best. We wanted Kerry, because he wasn´t bush. We don´t care about your internal politics, we DO care about a foreign policy that deeply affect Europe without taking it into consideration.
You may have started this war convinced that it was necesary, but Europe (the people) never saw it that way. And still thinks it was a mistake. It is normal that Bush is not well liked.
The funny thing is that if it wasn´t because Bush´s foreign policies affect us more than what you probably realize, i would love this dude. He is making the Mirage rig i was going to buy cheaper and cheaper.
Now I have a question, other than war and terrorism, do you americans think that Bush is doing a good job as a president. Please forget for a moment war, Kerry and terrorism.
Some people has wondered why we euros care so much about who americans choose as POTUS.
First you have to understand that Europe have had its share of wars and most of us are quite fed up with them. Every country has its history, but just in Spain, we have had to deal recently with a devastating civil war, 20 years of dictatorship, 30 years of terrorism that has just gotten worse.
If your president had started his war by himself, we would still be entitled to our opinion, but we wouldn´t be so loud. Bush has blackmailed, threaten and bribe other countries to do war with him. We, europeans, do not apreciate it. We don´t want any more wars, and you must admit that the reasons for this war are doubtful at best. We wanted Kerry, because he wasn´t bush. We don´t care about your internal politics, we DO care about a foreign policy that deeply affect Europe without taking it into consideration.
You may have started this war convinced that it was necesary, but Europe (the people) never saw it that way. And still thinks it was a mistake. It is normal that Bush is not well liked.
The funny thing is that if it wasn´t because Bush´s foreign policies affect us more than what you probably realize, i would love this dude. He is making the Mirage rig i was going to buy cheaper and cheaper.
Now I have a question, other than war and terrorism, do you americans think that Bush is doing a good job as a president. Please forget for a moment war, Kerry and terrorism.
Ron 10
QuoteFirst you have to understand that Europe have had its share of wars and most of us are quite fed up with them. Every country has its history, but just in Spain, we have had to deal recently with a devastating civil war, 20 years of dictatorship, 30 years of terrorism that has just gotten worse.
None of that is our fault.
You growing terroism problem might be because you have shown that it works on you. Your people allowed it to decide your election.
Quoteyou must admit that the reasons for this war are doubtful at best.
Only if you consider the UN a joke (Which I do DUE to their lack of balls in enforcing the resolutions they passed).
QuoteWe don´t care about your internal politics, we DO care about a foreign policy that deeply affect Europe without taking it into consideration.
Do you think your country (or any county) thinks about how its choices affect the US? I don't, nor do I think they should. A Government should do what is best for THEIR citizens first and formost.
QuoteWe wanted Kerry, because he wasn´t bush
You didn't know Kerry. You just hated Bush so much.
What I find funny is that people from other countries seem to think we should consider their feelings. Nope, our government needs to think about its citizens, not you. And like I said I doubt your country thinks about the US's citizens whan making choices.
Why is it OK for your country to not consider the US, but the US has to think about you?
QuoteNow I have a question, other than war and terrorism, do you americans think that Bush is doing a good job as a president. Please forget for a moment war, Kerry and terrorism.
Well you can't ignore Terroism.
Bush is a better man than Kerry who is a two face.
As for other issues, yes, I agree with many of Bush's ideas.
I think tax cuts stimulate an economy. We were headed into a recession when GWB took office, and we had a MAJOR issue that could have ruined the US. And we still managed.
Will Taxes have to go up at some time? Yes. But the easiest way to cause a problem is to jack them up and have people hide money and not put it into the economy.
Overall I think he is doinga good job, not perfect, but good.
Add in the fact I could not trust Kerry, and the fact that Bush is strong on Security. He was the man for the job.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
BIGUN 1,298
QuoteEvery country has its history, but just in Spain, we have had to deal recently with a devastating civil war, 20 years of dictatorship, 30 years of terrorism that has just gotten worse.
You're right. Your way is much better.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
Ron 10
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You're right. Your way is much better.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Good one.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
well, that sums it up really. the Bush administration & its supporters are only dimly aware that a world exists outside of the US borders, and really don't give a shit about it.QuoteHere's another question: Do we Americans really care?
This administration & its supporters basically do not know or care about diplomacy. A few months back I started a thread asking the pro-Bush people what Bush specifically means by the phrase "winning hearts and minds" Not one of the pro-Bush people on here could give a response. Oh actually one did, but he compared it to the "assault weapons ban", pointing out that it doesn't actually ban assault weapons.
so basically even the pro-Bushies here admit that the phrase "winning hearts and minds" is empty BS. something Bush just tossed out there to influence moderates.
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So, that's fixed. And where to jump ?
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QuoteQuoteEvery country has its history, but just in Spain, we have had to deal recently with a devastating civil war, 20 years of dictatorship, 30 years of terrorism that has just gotten worse.
You're right. Your way is much better.
We don´t start wars, we don´t like sending our kids to get killed, and we don´t certainly enjoy when they come home crippled and sick, just to forget about them when the war is over.
We don´t have a nice history, like most of the countries out there, but certainly the U.S. doesn´t get to do any teaching about human rights, democracy or even wars. Don´t forget Vietnam 1 and Vietnam 2 (Sorry, Iraq)
Remember, that within four years, Bush will be no longer in office, he will be celebrating parties with his rich cronnies while you will still be watching your people die in Irak.
jcd11235 0
QuoteNow I have a question, other than war and terrorism, do you americans think that Bush is doing a good job as a president.
While he has done some wonderful things for voter turnout, overall, the answer would be not just No, but HELL NO.
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jcd11235 0
QuoteYou growing terroism problem might be because you have shown that it works on you. Your people allowed it to decide your election.
Or, more likely, it has something to do with terrorism substantially increasing worldwide since Shrub decided to play arrogant cowboy.
QuoteWell you can't ignore Terroism.
Bush is a better man than Kerry who is a two face.
As for other issues, yes, I agree with many of Bush's ideas.
I think tax cuts stimulate an economy. We were headed into a recession when GWB took office, and we had a MAJOR issue that could have ruined the US. And we still managed.
KERRY was two faced? Compared to Bush? Laughable.
What "MAJOR issue" did we have that could have "ruined the US?" As tragic as 9-11 was, it doesn't even begin to have the potential of ruining the US, except possibly with respect to Bush's reactions.
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