SkyDekker 1,465 #76 December 22, 2004 QuoteMaybe the difference between a kneecap and your head. One is a pain that you can recover from, the other Fatal. But like a bullet to the knee, you will never completely recover from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #77 December 22, 2004 QuoteBut like a bullet to the knee, you will never completely recover from it. Well then its not like a knee shot. See we have been in this position before, and yet we are still walking."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #78 December 22, 2004 QuoteI have said before that I feel that the tax cuts were needed to keep the economy from continuing heading south. People tend to hide money when you try and take it from them. I also have said at some time Taxes will need to be raised. I don't know when but the best answer to that is after we have a stronger economy with an upward trend. Given that position, what is your opininon of Bush's efforst to make the tax cuts PERMANENT? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #79 December 22, 2004 QuoteGiven that position, what is your opininon of Bush's efforst to make the tax cuts PERMANENT? Permanent like NEVER, or Permanent like not soon? Nothing is permanent. Also my answer is already stated. QuoteI also have said at some time Taxes will need to be raised. I don't know when but the best answer to that is after we have a stronger economy with an upward trend. But to attempt to create a date now without the aid of a pack of Tarot Cards or a Crystal Ball is foolhardy. Plus other taxes might be found that cover that. I have agreed that cutting all taxes is stupid, but cutting them to bost the economy is a good choice IMO. And it seems to work."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #80 December 22, 2004 QuotePermanent like NEVER, or Permanent like not soon? Permanent, like never. They originally had an expiration in 10 years. He wants them permanent...beyond 10 years. What's soon to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #81 December 22, 2004 QuotePermanent, like never. They originally had an expiration in 10 years. He wants them permanent...beyond 10 years. What's soon to you? What part of my last post about not settinga date without the use or Terrot Cards was not clear? You can't set a date for an event you can't predict."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #82 December 22, 2004 QuoteQuotePermanent, like never. They originally had an expiration in 10 years. He wants them permanent...beyond 10 years. What's soon to you? What part of my last post about not settinga date without the use or Terrot Cards was not clear? You can't set a date for an event you can't predict. But they did set a date...10 years out, 2011. Bush's tarot cards tell him that it needs to be longer than that. How can he know that, especially when virtually all major financial analysts say they need to be rolled back now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #83 December 22, 2004 QuoteBut they did set a date...10 years out, 2011. Bush's tarot cards tell him that it needs to be longer than that. How can he know that, especially when virtually all major financial analysts say they need to be rolled back now? Let me check......Hey PK, the White House is not taking my calls right now. I'll try GW's Office direct since we all got his private number when we voted for him for just such an emergency.....Damn I got his machine, funny message however. I'll call his Cell.......Well I got him and he tried to answer, but the signal was not good (I think on his end, but it could have been on my end). Well maybe he will cal me back but he sounded busy. I'll wait for him to tell me since I know how you are about bad intel, and I'd hate to make a guess."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #84 December 22, 2004 Come on, Ron. Just admit that you don't agree with his policy. You expressed an opinion that disagrees with his actions. It won't hurt that much to reconcile that with a differing opinion from George. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #85 December 22, 2004 Wow with all the intelligence that has made its way onto this thread, you mean to tell me you guys are stumped? Now answer my question! QuoteFurthermore, I have never stated that being a dissenter is not patriotic. There are a few people who are so argumentitive that they fail (or refuse in some cases) to see the true meat of the thread. Anyone care to take a guess at what the "meat" is? www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #87 December 22, 2004 QuoteCome on, Ron. Just admit that you don't agree with his policy. I agree with the tax cuts. I agree that they should be around until the economy is strong enough to raise taxes to start hitting the National Debt. I think the first step in controling the debt is to limit costs. You and I disagree on some of the programs that need cut or reduced. I think we have to many folks getting a free ride, you would rather give money to some that don't want to work. I think that at some point (That you or I can't really know) taxes will have to be rasied. You would rather do it now even if it means killing any growth we have right now. I'd rather wait till the indicators say it will not damage the economy. When will that be? I don't know. Besides any laws passed now will be changed if the Dems can ever get a guy back into the WH. So who really cares that they are made "Permanent"....Thats only till the next President changes it anyway. QuoteYou expressed an opinion that disagrees with his actions Only in one way....He thinks that the tax cut should be around forever....I know that they will not stay anyway. But I don't know when that is...and seeing that he does have an MBA, and has MUCH better contacts than I do....I trust his choice on timing more than you do. Quote It won't hurt that much to reconcile that with a differing opinion from George. And would it kill you to admit that GWB did a good job of dealing with the recession he was handed and the financial aspects of 9/11?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #88 December 22, 2004 Quoteyou would rather give money to some that don't want to work. bzzzzzzttttt....don't put words in my mouth and I'll try not to do the same to you, deal? QuoteI'd rather wait till the indicators say it will not damage the economy. The indicators, most economic analysts, and the chairman of the Fed all agree that the biggest damage to the economy is coming from the budget deficit. QuoteSo who really cares that they are made "Permanent"....Thats only till the next President changes it anyway. No, it's an act of Congress. QuoteAnd would it kill you to admit that GWB did a good job of dealing with the recession he was handed and the financial aspects of 9/11? If I believed that were the case, I would agree. But I don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #89 December 22, 2004 Quotebzzzzzzttttt....don't put words in my mouth and I'll try not to do the same to you, deal? Not putting word into your mouth. This was from our "Welfare debates". You said you would rather give money to a few people who don't deserve it that risk not giving money to someone that really needs it. Remember that? QuoteThe indicators, most economic analysts, and the chairman of the Fed all agree that the biggest damage to the economy is coming from the budget deficit. Well, I am not going to argue with them, but you would think he has a valid reason for what he is doing....Oh well you will not, but I and most of the US did. QuoteNo, it's an act of Congress. Then why do you balme GWB when you should blame Congress? QuoteIf I believed that were the case, I would agree. But I don't. Well again somethingw e don't see eye to eye....At least will will always have guns."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #90 December 22, 2004 QuoteOh well you will not, but I and most of the US did. I challenge you to find any info showing that a large portion of support for Bush had anything to do with his economic policies. QuoteThen why do you balme GWB when you should blame Congress? Congress shares blame. However, Bush proposed it, lobbied for it, and is the leader of the party in control of congress. Not to mention that the majority of congress critters are not my representatives, Bush, however, is. QuoteWell again somethingw e don't see eye to eye....At least will will always have guns Someday I'll make it down there for dinner and some range time ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #91 December 22, 2004 Are you not going to admit you were wrong about me putting words into your mouth? QuoteI challenge you to find any info showing that a large portion of support for Bush had anything to do with his economic policies. He won. While not the only issue it was a part of it. QuoteCongress shares blame Then why don't you push some blame on them? QuoteBush proposed it, lobbied for it, and is the leader of the party in control of congress. Not to mention that the majority of congress critters are not my representatives, Bush, however, is Then if it is so bad the next guy can change it.... 4 years is MUCH less than 10. QuoteSomeday I'll make it down there for dinner and some range time ;) I'll buy the dinner, you bring some ammo."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #92 December 22, 2004 QuoteAre you not going to admit you were wrong about me putting words into your mouth? Ok, how about not paraphrasing me out of context? QuoteThen why don't you push some blame on them? I thought I did. But, they are not my elected representatives, and it would be silly to address my specific congress critters in a forum with people from other districts. QuoteThen if it is so bad the next guy can change it.... 4 years is MUCH less than 10. The next guy could propose a change. But he probably won't have the power over congress that Bush has. And it comes back to the idea that it should not be a long term solution, as you said, but Bush trying to make it a long term implementation. Do you think he's pushing to make it permanent with the hope that someone might overturn it later? Of course not. He's trying to make it as hard as possible to be changed later, no matter what the circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #93 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you not going to admit you were wrong about me putting words into your mouth? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, how about not paraphrasing me out of context? I don't see it as out of context. I said that there are two ways to control a budget, make more money (Tax) or spend less. I said I think the first step is to control spending. We have covered this exact same topic before over welfare where I said the first step is to kick people off of it that do not need it. You said you would rather give to a few that don't need it than take it away from some that might. That to me is reckless spending. Sorry if you don't see my angle. QuoteI thought I did. But, they are not my elected representatives, and it would be silly to address my specific congress critters in a forum with people from other districts I could see you not wanting to bitch about Congress to people IN your district...But I would think that an open forum is the BEST place to bitch about Congress...It might cause some to look at who they elected closer. QuoteThe next guy could propose a change. I think he will, they all change something. QuoteBut he probably won't have the power over congress that Bush has. Whos fault would that be? I mean there will be elections before then. So this is where your bitching about Congress might do good. Quote"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #94 December 23, 2004 OK I give up. You two are obviously beyond hope and noone else gives a shit about this thread anymore. On a side note: Even though you are one of the facilitators of the hijacking, damn nice logic trap Ron. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #95 December 23, 2004 QuoteOK I give up. You two are obviously beyond hope and noone else gives a shit about this thread anymore Sometimes I think PK and I should just bitch slap each other in PM's...But then you guys would not get to watch...And I know how you guys love a good cat fight QuoteOn a side note: Even though you are one of the facilitators of the hijacking, damn nice logic trap Ron I try"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
downwardspiral 0 #94 December 23, 2004 OK I give up. You two are obviously beyond hope and noone else gives a shit about this thread anymore. On a side note: Even though you are one of the facilitators of the hijacking, damn nice logic trap Ron. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #95 December 23, 2004 QuoteOK I give up. You two are obviously beyond hope and noone else gives a shit about this thread anymore Sometimes I think PK and I should just bitch slap each other in PM's...But then you guys would not get to watch...And I know how you guys love a good cat fight QuoteOn a side note: Even though you are one of the facilitators of the hijacking, damn nice logic trap Ron I try"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
