freeryde13 0 #1 December 23, 2004 did you see the looks on some of those poor solders faces man.....kind of tore me up...... we'r e all gonna die one day so god bless them ._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #2 December 23, 2004 Clinton! nathanielMy advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #3 December 23, 2004 The world for not taking him out sooner?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #4 December 23, 2004 We lost a grip on our Republic long ago.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #5 December 23, 2004 QuoteThe world for not taking him out sooner?? The U.N. and all countries and corporations, and individuals who supported SH by being co-conspirators in the Oil for Food scam. Oh yeah, and Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #6 December 23, 2004 2 different things: - SH. - People blowing themselves up. I doubt they were big fans of SH. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 December 23, 2004 Quote2 different things: - SH. - People blowing themselves up. I doubt they were big fans of SH. People blowing themselves up, while it does happen, isn't the biggest problem. The struggle for power particularly the Baathists, SH's party. Did you know the Baathists are also Socialists? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #8 December 23, 2004 Quote Did you know the Baathists are also Socialists? You say that as though it is a bad thing.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #9 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuote Did you know the Baathists are also Socialists? You say that as though it is a bad thing. You say that as if you admire the Baathists. I think they are as good an example there is about why Socialism will never succeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #10 December 23, 2004 QuoteDid you know the Baathists are also Socialists? I knew they advertised themselves as such. However, their brand of "socialism" is as close to the original definition as the Nazi party was, IMO. And yes, some (maybe most) of the insurgents are baathists. But there are so many factions fighting right now, that I do not think they are the only problem. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #11 December 23, 2004 QuoteYou say that as if you admire the Baathists. I think they are as good an example there is about why Socialism will never succeed. Socialism works well in many places. It is a different economic system. We found out during the great depression, that even capitalism must be tempered with socialism in order to succeed.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #12 December 23, 2004 QuoteSocialism works well in many places. It is a different economic system. We found out during the great depression, that even capitalism must be tempered with socialism in order to succeed. Socialism is stupid. It ignores human nature and as for the depression, created a headache for the future. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #13 December 23, 2004 QuoteSocialism is stupid. It ignores human nature and as for the depression, created a headache for the future. I agree...Most of the programs that were instituted are now the subject of major reform today because they are such a drain of funds...These programs were only meant to be temporary... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #14 December 23, 2004 Clinton got that blow job & then lied about it. Everything went all to hell after that. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #15 December 23, 2004 QuoteSocialism is stupid. It ignores human nature and as for the depression, created a headache for the future. That's a very narrowminded view. The problems were not caused by socialism, but politicians spending taxpayer savings, instead of rasing taxes and paying as they went. It boggles my mind how many people have been fooled into believing living on credit is fiscal reponsibility. Socialism has strengths, and weaknesses, just like capitalism does. They are just different strengths and weaknesses.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #16 December 23, 2004 Quote instead of rasing taxes and paying as they went. Or, how about not spending tax dollars on programs that the federal government has no Constitutional obligation or authority to spend on? Most, if not all, of the social program BS that the federal government spends on is the States' responsibility, and the federal government has no Consitutional authority to tax or spend for them. J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #17 December 23, 2004 yep, and most of it went to the Red States who voted for Bush those gol dangd "borrow and spend" Republicans!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #18 December 23, 2004 Quote[T]he federal government has no Consitutional authority to tax or spend for them. U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1: " The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" The Congress is well within their authority.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #19 December 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteSocialism is stupid. It ignores human nature and as for the depression, created a headache for the future. That's a very narrowminded view. The problems were not caused by socialism, but politicians spending taxpayer savings, instead of rasing taxes and paying as they went. It boggles my mind how many people have been fooled into believing living on credit is fiscal reponsibility. Socialism has strengths, and weaknesses, just like capitalism does. They are just different strengths and weaknesses. Er, no!! People should fend for themselves and the government provide for the minimum necesary to survive. That means social security, the country's greatest failure, should only provide for a few years not as much as the time spent working. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #20 December 23, 2004 QuoteThe world for not taking him out sooner?? Last I checked, SH is not in power and not sending in these insurgents. Total miscaculation by the war mongers Bush & Co. I remember hearing the Middle East experts on the news before the invasion start in March 2003 - saying that even with the head cut off, Iraq would never settle for American power in their country. Too bad Bush never listened to any of the experts - he fired anyone that disagreed with him. I'd like to hear what all of those people have to say right now._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #21 December 23, 2004 If you were showing any sign of openmindedness, I would explain further, but with the "anything but Capitalism is bad" attitude, what is the point?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 December 23, 2004 And still people perpetuate the myth... Quotewas behind the 911 thing NO he wasn't... he is/was an arse and did loads of bad stuff but he was NOT involved in 11/9... hey but dont let the facts get in the way of a good poll. Merry christmas one and all Tony (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #23 December 23, 2004 I voted for SH...even though you had the BS about 9/11 in there. My votes go in order: 1. Saddam for not complying with the Resolutions. 2. The UN for letting him go 12 years without complying"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #24 December 23, 2004 QuoteI voted for SH...even though you had the BS about 9/11 in there. My votes go in order: 1. Saddam for not complying with the Resolutions. 2. The UN for letting him go 12 years without complying Okay, let´s assume for a second that i agree with your two points, you do realize that the Iraq mess was based upon the existance of WMD and the danger of SH deploying WMD in under 45 minutes, right? Well, you got bad Intel, so if you don´t want to blame bush, shouldn´t you at least blame U.S intel? And as a plus it was the liberation of the Iraqui people. Which goes against international legality and, by the way, are not happy at all with your presence there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #25 December 23, 2004 QuoteOkay, let´s assume for a second that i agree with your two points, you do realize that the Iraq mess was based upon the existance of WMD and the danger of SH deploying WMD in under 45 minutes, right? OK but that would not have been an issue if SH had complied with the Resolutions...If he had complied we would not have been able to assume he had anything. So #1 still stands. If the UN had forced the issue instead of ignoring it, or some say making money off of it. Then it would have been handled earlier, and by a UN led force....But they didn't, so #2 stands. QuoteOkay, let´s assume for a second that i agree with your two points, you do realize that the Iraq mess was based upon the existance of WMD and the danger of SH deploying WMD in under 45 minutes, right? I could list #3 as bad intel, but not just US intel. Britain, the UN, Saudi Arabia....And more had intel that said he had them. So #3 could be "intel" in gerneral, but not just US intel. But intel is shakey at best, and if Saddam had been following the UN resolution, or the UN had done its job...It would not have been needed...So It might go in #3. As for blaming Bush. Well the UN, the US Congress (including Kerry) looked at the intel as well. And they believed he had WMD's as well. So I can't just blame Bush. So it still stands that If Saddam had complied we would have no ammo against him. US: You have WMD's SH: Nope, look around and you know where all the stuff I had is...But please look around, talk to my scientists. Here have a Coke and a smile. If the UN had enforced its resolutions and maybe even done something when Saddam kicked out the inspectors in 98...The situation would not have to been done now, alone. So while I can admit that it does not look good for the Intel agencies, the main fault still rests in the order I listed with maybe #3 being intel of several countries, and the anayasis of that intel by several bodies."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
