Congressman Tells Truth, Suffers Consequences

[Kennedy 0]

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The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. Government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew.

I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a very limited role for Washington, D.C.

If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U. S. membership in the U.N.; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; No American troops in 100 foreign countries; no Nafta, GATT, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We can get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited.

That system is called Liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a tread mill working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives.

Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There's not supposed to be any federal police, according to the Constitution.

Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claimed those 81 church members including 19 children, burned down their own Church, killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put a few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years.

We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms--talk about an unconstitutional agency--rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for a big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gun ship, to shoot the roof of a church full of innocents. The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the Feds sent in tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas.

Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in war. But it could and did use it against American civilians. After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flames, and all 81 people--men, women, children, and babies--were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin, walls as a defense against bullets? Or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves?

A new documentary- - Waco: Rules of Engagement --may show, throughout FLIR infrared photography, FBI snipers killing the Davidians by shooting through the back of the church, where no media cameras were allowed. This film won a prize at the Sundance Film Festival. It was made by people who took government's side, until they investigated. Whatever the truth, there's no question that an irresponsible federal government has innocent blood on its hands, and not only from Waco. And the refusal of corrupt perverse liberals to admit it means nothing.

It my interview, in answer to a caller's question, I pointed out that Waco, in the federal murders at Ruby Ridge'--especially the FBI snipers shot that blast apart the head of the young mother holding her baby caused many Americans to live in fear of federal power. Then uttered the sentiment that caused the media hysteria: I said that a lot of Americans fear that they too might be attacked by federal swat teams for exercising their constitutional rights, or merely for wanting to be left alone.

Whoa! You've never seen anything like it. For days, in an all-out assault, I was attacked by Democrats, unions, big business, establishment Republicans, and of course the media, in Washington in my home state of Texas. Newspapers foamed at the mouth, calling me a "right-wing extremist". (Say, isn't that what George III called Thomas Jefferson?) I was even blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing! And by the way, I don't believe we've gotten the full truth on that either. All my many opponents were outraged that a congressman would criticize big government. "If you don't like Washington, resign!" said a typical big-city newspaper editorial.

But the media, as usual, were all wet. (Do they ever get anything right?) The average Congressman may go to Washington to wallow in power, and line his pockets with a big lobbying job for a special interest (so he can just keep ripping-off the taxpayers).

But that's not why I'm in Congress. It's not why I left my medical practice as a physician. It's not why I put up with all of the abuse. It's not why I refuse a plush Congressional pension. I'm in this fight for a reason. I want to hand on to my children and grandchildren, and to you in your family, a great and free America, an America true to her Constitution, an America worthy of her history. I'll not let the crooks and clowns and criminals have their way.

I'm in Congress to represent the ideas of Liberty, the ideas that you and I share, for the people of my district, for the people of Texas, for the people of America. That's why I'm working to stop federal abuses, and to cut the government: its taxes, its bureaucrats, its paramilitary police, its spending, its meddling overseas, and every single unconstitutional action it takes. And not with a pair of nail scissors, but with a hammer and chisel. Won't you help me do this work?

Not much of the federal leviathan would be left, if I had my way. But you'd be able to keep the money you earn, your privacy would be secure, your dollar would be sound, your local school would be tops, and your kids wouldn't be sent off to some useless or vicious foreign war to fight for the U.N.. But Jefferson and the other Founders would recognize our government, and our descendants would bless us. By the way, when I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and ..

Recently, I asked a famous Republican Committee Chairman--who's always talking about getting rid of the IRS--why he engineered a secret $580 million raise for the tax collectors. "They need it for their computers," this guy told me. So the IRS can't extract enough from us as it is!

The National Taxpayers Unions says I have the highest pro-taxpayer rating in Congressional history, that I am the top "Taxpayer's Best Friend". You know I won't play the Capitol Hill games with the Capitol Hill gang, denouncing the IRS while giving the Gestapo more of your money. Or figuring out some other federal tax for them to squeeze out of you. I also want to abolish the Federal Reserve ..

The value of our dollar and the level of our interest rates are not supposed to be manipulated by a few members of the power elite meeting secretly in a marble palace. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The only constitutional money is gold and silver, not notes redeemable in them. Not fed funny money. Without the Federal Reserve, our money could not be inflated at the behest of big government or big banks. Your income in savings would not lose their value. Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms and busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust getting worse. They aren't natural to the free market; they're caused by the schemers at the Fed. President Andrew Jackson called the 19th century's Fed " The Monster" because it was a vehicle for inflation and all sorts of special-interest corruption. Let me tell you, things haven't changed a bit.

I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference. Thanks to the feds, new curriculums not only smear the Founders as "racist, slave owning elitists," they seek to dumb down all our students so they will all be equal. "Look-say" reading and the abolition of phonics has the same purpose, and so does the new "fuzzy" math, in which there at no right and no wrong answers. That must be what they use in the U.S. Treasury! It's certainly what they use in the U.S. Congress. But ever since the beginning of federal aid to education and accelerating with the establishment of the rotten Department of Education, SAT scores have been dropping. Schools, with few exceptions, are getting worse every year. To save our kids, we must get the sticky fingers of the feds off our local schools, and let parents rule. That's what the Constitution says, and the Bible too.

And then there's my least favorite topic, the U.N. World government is obviously unconstitutional. It undermines our country sovereignty in the worst way possible. That's why I want us out of the U.N., and the U.N. itself taking a hike. After all, the U.N. is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be bought with a "blond and a case of Scotch" one U.N. ambassador once said). It costs many billions, and it puts our soldiers in U.N. uniforms under foreign commanders, and sends them off to unconstitutional, undeclared wars.

When Michael New, one of the finest young men I've ever met, objected to wearing U.N. blue, he was kicked out of the American Army. What an outrage! Not one dime for the U.N., and not one American soldier! Not Haiti, not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda. I know its radical, but how about devoting American military efforts to defending America, and only America?

Such ideas, said one newspaper reporter, make me a maverick, who will never go far because he won't go along to get along. Darn right! What does "go far" mean? Get a big government job? To heck with that. And I won't sell my vote for pork either.

When I walked through the U.S. Capitol this morning, I got angry! . The building is filled with statues and paintings of Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founders. Those great men sacrificed everything to give us a free country, and a Constitution to keep it that way.

When I was first elected, I placed my hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what I'm fighting for. Such ideas drive the liberals crazy.

Join this fight for the Constitution, and stop those who want to rip it up, and throw it in the Potomac. Together, we can join the Founders fight. Together we can make this history.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul
U.S. Congressman

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[Zenister 0]

damn!

are you sure he's not a libertarian?

to bad he didnt run for president....

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[ahegeman 0]

Heh. I knew who it was before I got halfway through the first sentence of the third paragraph. That guy is hardcore. I don't agree with everything he says, but we need more like him in DC.

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[shropshire 0]

Thanks for that interesting post - what's your take on it?

Who is this man? He must have a large number of supports in the past or he wouldn't have been elected (I guess) or has he changed his stance since - Is he reporting the truth? or spinning? (it's going to be a slow day at work so I'll google some and come back to see what other peeps have to say)

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[akarunway 1]

Amen Brother. He'd get my vote for POTUS anyday. Hope he means what he says. If we had more like him in DC maybe we could change things. I guess some good things do come outta Tejas other than... nevermind.. Just a JOKE

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[jcd11235 0]

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If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U. S. membership in the U.N.; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor";

This is all allowed under the Constitution

Article 1 Section 8 and Article 2 Section 2.

Makes me wonder how much other stuff he says is hollow rhetoric, although, admittedly, I do agree with some of it. Other parts, like the idea we pay high taxes, are funny, at best. (Our taxes are very low in this country.)

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[akarunway 1]

Other parts, like the idea we pay high taxes, are funny, at best. (Our taxes are very low in this country.)
------------------------------------------------------------>Yeah right. If i work 7 days a week to make more money for whatever reasons they want 50% of my fucking packcheck at least. Then add sales taxes on EVERYTHING I buy. I don't have all them loopholes all them rich bastards do. It's getting way outta hand. Boston Tea Party anyone?

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[jcd11235 0]

All I am saying is that when you compare our tax rates to those of other first world countries, we don't pay all that much.

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Article 1, Section 8

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repeal Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Article 2, Section 2

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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=constitution&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1

So where in there is participating in education listed again?

A Federal Reserve?

Gun control?

Welfare to corporations and people?

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[jcd11235 0]

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So where in there is participating in education listed again?

A Federal Reserve?

Gun control?

Welfare to corporations and people?

"[from] Article 1 Section 8[:]
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
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To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

[from] Article 2, Section 2 [:]
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, andall other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

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[Kennedy 0]

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provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

That says provide for the welfare of the country, not to pay "welfare" to people or groups. That's defense, not social engineering.

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To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Stockpiling gold is hardly regulating commerce.

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three bolded paragraphs

I don't even know which issue you were trying to address with that. I hardly see how jurisdiction over WDC and running the militia when it is actually being used has anything to do with the question I put to you.

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all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Again, what are you addressing here, interfering in education, the reserve, gun control, or paying "welfare" to private entities?

edit for two spelling double taps

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[juanesky 0]

Don't know where he gets that conclusion either

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[jcd11235 0]

Perhaps a reading comprehension class would be better suited for you than a discussion board.

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[mnealtx 0]

Sure YOU don't want one?

Because NONE of the things Kennedy asked you to show are in your post...

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[juanesky 0]

Ouch...that's gotta hurt..

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[jcd11235 0]

As you know, welfare has multiple meanings. The one we tend to think of first is the check that the government gives to qualifying recipients. While this is welfare, any law that insures the health, happiness and prosperity of the nation would also be considered contributing the the general welfare of the population. This means, that if Congress felt the need, thecould implement Socialism, and still be within their Constitutional authority. The Executive branch, with consent of Congress, is allowed to establish departments of governmen, to help implement the requirements of the Constitution. The Federal Reserve is one such department. As far as gun control goes, while the Constitution does not grant unregulated freedom to keep and bear arms, I do feel that there are some people that have gone a bit too far to protect us from ourselves.

All this, except the topic of Gun control, is covered in the Constitution excerpts that I posted.

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Perhaps a reading comprehension class would be better suited for you than a discussion board.

Sounds like someone didn't get hugged enough as a kid.

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[jcd11235 0]

Nah, just tired of my posts being attacked because of who wrote them, and not because of what was written. I lose patience with the cons that don't bash us progressives all equally.

One does not have to agree with the Constitution do acknowledge what it says. By the same token, one should not feel obligated to believe in a concept, just because it's laid out in the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to understand the only constant is change, and so wrote a document that allows for that change. While some ideas might be rejected, others might be well received, and could justify amendments.

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Since you're new to the boards, let me be the one to tell you that disagreing with a self proclamed "prgressive" does not make a person conservative.

I am a Libertarian. I happen to understand that individual freedom is a worthy goal, and that government is by it's nature ill-suited to controlling social change (and most other enterprises as well).

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By the same token, one should not feel obligated to believe in a concept, just because it's laid out in the Constitution.

You don't have to believe in it, unless you are a party to the government and have sworn to uphold it (as all military, police, judges, and representatives have).

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Our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to understand the only constant is change, and so wrote a document that allows for that change.

Yes, it allows for change. Those changes are called amendments. Simply claiming that it says something different does not make it so. The SCUS interprets the constitution. If they haven't decided that a simple phrase means something complicated, then I'm not inclined to believe it does, either.

ps - don't think so highly of yourself. I am attacking your ideas, not just your posts. Talk to kallend, or dekker, or phillykev (outside a gun thred) and you will see that I dispute and discus their ideas fairly often. They don't believe I'm singling them out for any sort of conservative persecution.

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[newsstand 0]

He used to be until he couldn't get elected. Then he switched parties. For better or worse he is the congressman from my district.

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As you know, welfare has multiple meanings. The one we tend to think of first is the check that the government gives to qualifying recipients.

I suppose you mean the jobless women in inner cities who have multiple children and live in one room apartments and collect pay per child from the federal government?

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While this is welfare, any law that insures the health, happiness and prosperity of the nation would also be considered contributing the the general welfare of the population.

......Yeah...taxing the shit out of my paultry checks to give to these women "insures the health, happiness and prosperity of the nation."

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This means, that if Congress felt the need, thecould implement Socialism, and still be within their Constitutional authority.

Two words for you...Animal Farm...even the author admitted that he liked the concept of socialism, but admitted that due to human nature WOULD NEVER WORK!

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As far as gun control goes, while the Constitution does not grant unregulated freedom to keep and bear arms, I do feel that there are some people that have gone a bit too far to protect us from ourselves.

I believe that could be argued against...but I'll allow a certain gun nut to do so......

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All this, except the topic of Gun control, is covered in the Constitution excerpts that I posted.

You're funny......


~R+R...Keep toting the line...I usually know what you are going to say before you say it...it's sooooooooo funny...and by the way...I looooooooooove how you ALWAYS like to mention academia...but in almost every instant academia would laugh in your face......What is your affiliation with a university? Student?

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[freeryde13 0]

kennedy....real cool post, thanks. who is he. unfortunately a dieing breed unless we get together. the only party i ever joined is libertarian and think this guy is one in spirit anyway.

jcb....i understand your hesitancey to embrace some of these ideals. but to me , if government got out of trying to help every one out. it would leave the door open for people to be more active in helping their fellow brother out. it's not mean spirited to not have the government save everyone. it's just that the government doesn't have a good track record of doing it.

i've always felt that if we could get back to the true constitution and bill of rights, and we the people took more responsibility for our own country, that we would in one generation fix all the problems we face . probrobly faster than that, two terms of presidency would do it. but i don't know how long it would take to weed out all the corupt democrats and republicans.

cinton and bush both sucked/suck as far as constitutional and civil liberties go.

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i've always felt that if we could get back to the true constitution and bill of rights, and we the people took more responsibility for our own country, that we would in one generation fix all the problems we face .

I agree...or at least we could make changes that would improve our country...

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probrobly faster than that, two terms of presidency would do it. but i don't know how long it would take to weed out all the corupt democrats and republicans.

That is the sad truth...it would take forever to actually weed out every corrupt politician......Considering there are so many...

You made some good points...and I know there are others out there who see your point of view...I just wish there were more......


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[jcd11235 0]

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I suppose you mean the jobless women in inner cities who have multiple children and live in one room apartments and collect pay per child from the federal government?

I'm not even going to discuss unsubstantiated, preconceived stereotypes.

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[jcd11235 0]

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~R+RAngelic...Keep toting the line...I usually know what you are going to say before you say it...it's sooooooooo funny...and by the way...I looooooooooove how you ALWAYS like to mention academia...but in almost every instant academia would laugh in your face...Laugh...What is your affiliation with a university? Student?Laugh

Since you are oviously so enlightened and well educated, and know everything there is to know about academia, would you kindly grace us with some thoughts of your own? You can think for yourself, right?

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