suicidal parachutists?

[ying 0]

Justinb138; it is indeed very sad if you truly are as egoistic and self-centred mierzaviec as you say. You write you don;t give a shit about me. Well, don't take it personally but i don't care. However your egoism and lack of worry about other feeling beings is nothing you should be proud of. I pity you because such attitude generates bad karma. Continue this way and in your next incarnation you will return as a cockroach. Besides i must point out it was Superwhuffo who said he worried about me. I thanked him - not you - so what was all your venom soaked writing for?

About Happythoughts' mistakes. I didn't mean his or her grammar and spelling. I meant LOGICAL mistakes. Should have written errors. My fault.

As far as my language mistakes are concerned; i've never said i'm perfect. In fact i think my English is pretty bad. But still it allows me to communicate on a basic level :) Of course i try to improve it but it's a slow process. Although a reasonable dose of perfectionism is a good thing, i'm not going to lose any sleep over grammar and spelling mistakes i make. Not capitalizing the i is deliberate. I always try to stick to English grammar rules but about this particular rule i simply don't care. Call it eccentrism if you like :)

You repeatedly write that you don't care about my opinions. Let me ask you then - WHAT are you doing on the Forums?! It all consists of people's opinions. Though then perhaps you are here to read only your own posts :)

The very art of discussion is about analysing and polemicizing with the opponent's arguments. Yet you stubbornly refuse to do it. I think the reason for this is very simple - you've gotten heavily frustrated. You strongly disagree that skydiving is suicide but unfortunately this inner voice of yours cannot find suitable words to be expressed. You simply lack arguments against my theory. By saying you don't care you try to hide the fact that you have nothing to say. Whole your contribution to this discussion was rewritting a dictionary definition which is pretty useless since it does not include a lot of suicide cases. Such as for instance Sokrates who was forced to drink a poison and who did this - thus killing himself without the intention to do it. What a pity you don't think for yourself :/

About Emerson. I meant Ralph Waldo Emerson, American writer, philozopher and central figure of American transcendentalism whose works are landmarks in the development of American thought. How come that living in Europe i have heard of him and you, an American, haven't? What schools you attended! Shame on you.

In spite of the above i think that really you are a nice and kind person who for some reasons decided to play hard and act like a macho. Your rigid harshness is cute in a way :) Receive my regards.

Michele; i don't mean to sound haughty but as far as suicides are concerned i know probably a bit more than an average person. This is mainly, but not only, because i'm quite interested in the subject and have read something about it. If you don't believe me i can send you a privete message containing an instruction how for instance cut your veins in a most effective way. Are you interested? :) Let me also ask you a question; have you ever tried to think about main types of suicides? I don't mean group suicides versus single suicides but rather the reasons for which people do it. Does anything comes to your mind?

And now, just as i promised, the ultimate argument. There is a theory from the verge of psychology and neurology, guess Jung was first to write about it, which says that whole our decision making process takes place on the subconscious level. This what we consider consciously taken decisions is really a kind of neuro static. This would explain why not everybody engages in hazardous activities such as speed-driving, scuba diving or parachuting. Perhaps we're all attracted to skydiving because we subconsciously want to die? Do you find it convincing? :) And if not - i'm sorry to tell you that our current state of scientific knowledge does not make it possible to overthrow the subconscious factor. Regards,

ying.

[Michele 1]

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Not capitalizing the i is deliberate. I always try to stick to English grammar rules but about this particular rule i simply don't care. Call it eccentrism if you like :)

Actually, deliberate or not, according to the DSM V, it's an indication of a psychiatric problem.

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Michele; i don't mean to sound haughty but as far as suicides are concerned i know probably a bit more than an average person. This is mainly, but not only, because i'm quite interested in the subject and have read something about it.

I read all about serial killers, but that doesn't mean I am one nor do I understand what goes on in their head. I'd redirect your reading information from the banal and mundane or exploitative "thrill" genre to the clinical discussions on suicidal ideations if you really want to know about suicide. Examine your reading program, and you will see the huge gap between reality and the disinformation you're spewing.

{quote]If you don't believe me i can send you a privete message containing an instruction how for instance cut your veins in a most effective way. Are you interested? :)
Not in the least. And frankly, I find such an offer disgusting and beyond the pale. One could read it that you're suggesting that I kill myself. And that I find horrific and simply a comment designed to stir the pot. A troll-like comment, and nothing else.

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Let me also ask you a question; have you ever tried to think about main types of suicides? I don't mean group suicides versus single suicides but rather the reasons for which people do it. Does anything comes to your mind?

Yes. I am far more familiar with clinical depression than you seem to be. I am far more well versed and educated about what suicide is and isn't then anything I can imagine you to be. And I care far more for those in need that you seem to, especially based on this post.

I wonder: does anything come to your mind?

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[ying 0]

Michele; you try to tell me that ignoring a certain language convention is an indication of a psychiatric problem? Spelling and grammar mistakes too, i suppose? :) And it doesn't matter that i'm not a native speaker? Now Dadaists and other people who have a creative approach to language must have been all mad too? It can be true of course but somehow i find it difficult to believe. Could you quote this particular fragment of DSM V description (and state the page the publisher and so on)?

How can you know WHAT exactly i have read about suicides? On what basis you assumed that my knowledge has its source in thrillers? Perhaps i HAVE had a direct insight into a sucide's mind? Or perhaps i haven't. What is sure is that you don't know it. Trying to discredit one's opponent in discussion by suggesting that he or she has psychiatric problems is a well known an quite primitive tactics. Try something more sophisticated than simple Ad Personam :)

Why should i want to suggest you to kill yourself? You are being silly. Be careful - such thoughts can be easily classified as a sign of persecution mania :) And i think you know where it leads eventually :)

How can you know if i care or not about others? As for me, you make quite many evidenceless assumptions. As if you din't controll your thoughts. Your thinking process gets triggered by for instance by an innocent remark i make and you go on constructing gargantuan systems in which i want you dead and so on. I've seen people like that before. And have read a lot about them. Before you start to see psychos in other people take a careful look at your own self. Regards,

ying.

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you try to tell me that ignoring a certain language convention is an indication of a psychiatric problem? Spelling and grammar mistakes too, i suppose? :)

Actually, spelling and grammar are not classified that way. However, the deliberate usage of "i" as opposed to "I" where appropriate is, in fact, something which is described in the DSM V. If the shoe fits, wear it with class. If it doesn't, worry not.

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Could you quote this particular fragment of DSM V description (and state the page the publisher and so on)?

As is my wont, I don't do others' homework. Google is a wonderful tool....

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How can you know WHAT exactly i have read about suicides? On what basis you assumed that my knowledge has its source in thrillers? Perhaps i HAVE had a direct insight into a sucide's mind? Or perhaps i haven't.

I suspect you haven't...rather, you've read a lot of tabloidistic media which makes you believe you have.

And perhaps you're just stirring shit to stir shit...

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What is sure is that you don't know it.

I don't know what? What is "it"? The suicidal mind? Or your reading material? Or perhaps something far less clear?

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Trying to discredit one's opponent in discussion by suggesting that he or she has psychiatric problems is a well known an quite primitive tactics. Try something more sophisticated than simple Ad Personam :)

Not trying to discredit you - you're doing a fine job of that all by yourself. I was simply pointing out something you didn't seem to realize...as for sophistication, that's all in the eye of the beholder. Frankly, I tend to work at the level of the person I'm exchanging views with.

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Why should i want to suggest you to kill yourself? You are being silly.

Why would you offer to send someone explicit instructions on how to effectively slit their wrists?

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How can you know if i care or not about others? As for me, you make quite many evidenceless assumptions.

ROFL. I make no assumptions other than from what you've stated here. ROFL...be careful with your posting and attitude...that is far more telling than anything I or anyone else says.

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As if you din't controll your thoughts. Your thinking process gets triggered by for instance by an innocent remark i make and you go on constructing gargantuan systems in which i want you dead and so on.

Speaking of baseless conclusions.....

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I've seen people like that before. And have read a lot about them. Before you start to see psychos in other people take a careful look at your own self.

Thus ends our conversation.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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Justinb138; it is indeed very sad if you truly are as egoistic and self-centred mierzaviec as you say.

I'm not

You write you don;t give a shit about me. Well, don't take it personally but i don't care. However your egoism and lack of worry about other feeling beings is nothing you should be proud of. I pity you because such attitude generates bad karma. Continue this way and in your next incarnation you will return as a cockroach. Besides i must point out it was Superwhuffo who said he worried about me. I thanked him - not you - so what was all your venom soaked writing for?

It was beer induced, so don't take it personally, and I don't believe in karma or reincarnation, just so you know.

About Happythoughts' mistakes. I didn't mean his or her grammar and spelling. I meant LOGICAL mistakes. Should have written errors. My fault. As far as my language mistakes are concerned; i've never said i'm perfect. In fact i think my English is pretty bad. But still it allows me to communicate on a basic level :) Of course i try to improve it but it's a slow process. Although a reasonable dose of perfectionism is a good thing, i'm not going to lose any sleep over grammar and spelling mistakes i make. Not capitalizing the i is deliberate. I always try to stick to English grammar rules but about this particular rule i simply don't care. Call it eccentrism if you like :)

Thanks for clarifying that, and your English is not bad. Your response above stated that you were making comments about mistakes, I assumed that you were commenting on grammatical errors, not logic. Seems to have been a misunderstanding.


You repeatedly write that you don't care about my opinions. Let me ask you then - WHAT are you doing on the Forums?! It all consists of people's opinions. Though then perhaps you are here to read only your own posts :)


I do care about people's opinions, it is nice to hear other perspectives on things, as it allows me to understand things better, when they are not wildly illogical. When you start insisting that parachuting = suicide, with no logical arguments, I start thinking troll.


The very art of discussion is about analysing and polemicizing with the opponent's arguments. Yet you stubbornly refuse to do it. I think the reason for this is very simple - you've gotten heavily frustrated. You strongly disagree that skydiving is suicide but unfortunately this inner voice of yours cannot find suitable words to be expressed.


I will gladly argue a topic with you when your arguments show some type of logic. I have suitable words, but I don't want to get banned (j/k)


You simply lack arguments against my theory. By saying you don't care you try to hide the fact that you have nothing to say. Whole your contribution to this discussion was rewritting a dictionary definition which is pretty useless since it does not include a lot of suicide cases. Such as for instance Sokrates who was forced to drink a poison and who did this - thus killing himself without the intention to do it. What a pity you don't think for yourself :/


I do think for myself, and I don't see why you think that I don't.


About Emerson. I meant Ralph Waldo Emerson, American writer, philozopher and central figure of American transcendentalism whose works are landmarks in the development of American thought. How come that living in Europe i have heard of him and you, an American, haven't? What schools you attended! Shame on you.


I don't see what Emerson has to do with this argument. What does you living in Europe and me in America have to do with anything? Please don't bring your negativity towards Americans into this. If you're curious, I am in my first year at UT Arlington right now. I haven't taken philosophy yet, but I am sure I will learn of him. What should I be ashamed of?


In spite of the above i think that really you are a nice and kind person who for some reasons decided to play hard and act like a macho. Your rigid harshness is cute in a way :) Receive my regards.

I had been drinking a little bit, it was kinda late at night I think. I probably would not have been so harsh otherwise. Rigid harshness? cute? Are you hitting on me?


Michele; i don't mean to sound haughty but as far as suicides are concerned i know probably a bit more than an average person.


I don't see the point of that.


This is mainly, but not only, because i'm quite interested in the subject and have read something about it. If you don't believe me i can send you a privete message containing an instruction how for instance cut your veins in a most effective way. Are you interested? :) Let me also ask you a question; have you ever tried to think about main types of suicides? I don't mean group suicides versus single suicides but rather the reasons for which people do it. Does anything comes to your mind?


Regardless of method or number of people, ending your own life with the intent to do so is suicide. Your response above makes me believe that you have an obsession of some sorts with death or suicide.


And now, just as i promised, the ultimate argument. There is a theory from the verge of psychology and neurology, guess Jung was first to write about it, which says that whole our decision making process takes place on the subconscious level. This what we consider consciously taken decisions is really a kind of neuro static. This would explain why not everybody engages in hazardous activities such as speed-driving, scuba diving or parachuting. Perhaps we're all attracted to skydiving because we subconsciously want to die? Do you find it convincing? :)

I don't skydive because I want to die, I skydive because I want to live, I enjoy it. Many people don't participate in hazardous activities because they feel that the benifits don't outweigh the risks. As as far as I know, that is a conscious decision. I don't see how subconscious feelings about death make skydiving suicide. In my mind, suicide involves a conscious intent . I don't see any reason to believe otherwise. Why make it more complicated than it is for sake of argument?


And if not - i'm sorry to tell you that our current state of scientific knowledge does not make it possible to overthrow the subconscious factor.


If you can't do anything about it, why worry about it?


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[somethinelse 0]

Hmm.

I've thought over all the above pretty thoroughly myself off and on while I was venturing to get my A license, too.

NO I don't think sweeping generalities ought to be appied to the whole of skydiving to consider it to be self-destructive, or suicidal.

WHY?

People have long sought to understand and capture the ability to fly.
Consider the great Leonardo!
For an individual to move thru the skies by own's own capabilities has long been a dream, a desire to find an invention, a way to fly, to soar, to feel like a bird!

YES, it is potentially dangerous.

NO, it is not crazy, nor is it necessarily suicidal.

Many sport and adventure activities carry risk and danger to life and limb. As caring individuals, in regards to ourselves AND others we must always seek to go about our adventures with thoughtfulness
to safety, proceedure, planning for the best possible risk management...
and hopefully a happy longer life, too!

Blues to ya

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And don’t tell me you don’t believe in God – any slightly intelligent person knows we can’t be sure He doesn’t exist. But never mind that.

Yo Ying,
I am more than slightly intelligent and quite frankly I do not believe in God. Not even slightly. So I could take your comment as an insult but I wont, not my style.

Rainbo
TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything
"Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting."

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Because suicide can be defined as “deliberate involving of onself in an action and/ or exposing oneself to a phenomenon that can cause death”.


Reply: Dude: I think your definition of suicide can also be interpreted as the definition of life. After all, isn't life a phenomenon which ultimately leads to death?

Your next comment: "be informed that i am na authentic Polish skydiver and a holder of a FAI licence."

Reply: Uh huh ...

Next comment: "Perhaps God is malicious and deliberately designed it all so that everybody went to Hell? Have you considered such an option? :) "

Reply: Ummm no but an interesting idea.

BTW, I think there are probably many "slightly intelligent" people out there who are not religious and do not believe in God. (Just as a side-note)

It all boils down to the fact that we are all going to die eventually. Suicide is just a choice to reach that place quicker than what was our "natural" or destined and inevitable death. There are many different reasons why people commit suicide. There are also many different reasons why people skydive. Although the same types of deficiencies in one's life may lead a person to skydive or to suicide, (i.e. divorce, boredom, escape, etc.) I do not believe the two are synonymous.

And ... for the most part (about 99.9%) of the jumpers I know do not skydive to achieve the result of death. We may enjoy getting a break from "life" by speeding through rarified air molecules at 120 mph and we may seek to fly around and carve big white puffies in the sky under canopy, but in more of a life seeking way than a death seeking one.

Peace and blue skies.

Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires."

Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say."

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BTW, I think there are probably many "slightly intelligent" people out there who are not religious and do not believe in God.

After calling everyone suicidal, calling them unintelligent was just probably an afterthought to make sure that all the appropriate troll-buttons were pushed.

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True. Threads like this make me wish I had a "bitch-slap" key on my computer...

[ying 0]

To all those who say that intelligence has nothing to do with believing in God; I myself also do not find the Christian concept of God convincing. But that’s not the thing. The thing is that even an atheist CANNOT be sure that God does not exist. It is scientifically impossible to state that a being such as God does not exist. Anybody who says he or she is absolutely positive about God’s nonexistence cannot be called intelligent, i’m affraid.

About my calling other people stupid; guys, what’s the matter with you? Do you really want me to believe that you actually have problems with understanding written text? I have NEVER called any of you stupid. I said that jumping from a plane that isn’t damaged in any way can be classified as stupidity. I can’t recall writing i think so. Do you really think that all people in the world skydive and accept the idea of parachuting? Go and ask them. Many of them will tell you that those who skydive are stupid. That’s what i meant (that they will tell you – not that you are...). Why do you take all i say for attacks on yourselves?

Justinb138; a propos hitting on you; i must admit i was quite confused by the idiom you used. I checked in all my dictionaries, and i have a few of them. Even my slang dictionary wasn’t any helpful. I had a suspicion that the idiom may mean either mocking somebody or showing interest. Fortunatelly, i heard it used in the movie i saw during the weekend and the context left no doubts about the meaning. Now as i know what you meant i can try to put together my answer; but it’s not easy – if i say i did hit on you it will mean that not much is necessary to get me interested. If i say i didn’t hit on you it might be taken as a suggestion that you’re not worth my interest and since it is possible that if we’d meet i’d find you interesting, then suggesting you are not interesting is not something i would like to do. Let me then leave your question unanswered ;)

I was glad to read your assurance that you’re not the mierzavietz you had seemed to be. It makes one mierzavietz less in the world :)

If you’re going to take philozophy you will surely hear about Emerson. I mentioned him to back up my argument that we should think for ourselves and not rely on other people’s standards. Emerson wrote an essay called Self-reliance in which he encourages people to be intellectually independent. It’s very interesting. Check it out. It’s in every anthology of American Literature.

If you are patient enough to polemicize with my arguments it will be a pleasure to have a sparring with you. But if all you’re going to tell me is that you’re sure you’re not suicidal then better spare your keyboard.

Billvon; you’re right - i agree that there are far more dangerous activities than parachuting, well, maybe with an exception of BASE jumping, but it does not change the fact that it is possible we all do it because we subconsiously want to die. And there’s another thing. God, if He exists, may not be entirely happy seeing us taking such risks and treating our bodies like that, not to mention spending all this money on our egoistic pleasures instead of supporting for instance a cancer clinic.

Michele; what do you take me for – a complete idiot? You try to tell me that you did not try to discredit me by saying that not capitalizing i is described in DSM V? Oh very funny. Stating something like that is equal to suggesting that i suffer from some kind of personality disorder. At least. And being classified as a person with personality disorder has serious social implications. Such a person for instance is not taken seriously and generally disrespected. If you’ve ever had anything to do with psychiatry or psychology you should be perfectly aware of it.
So either you tried to discredit me deliberately or you’re not a psychology/ psychiatry expert as you wanted us to believe.

There’s another thing. You bluffed about the DSM mentioning not capitalizing i. Or less euphemistically speaking – you lied. DSM is general and contains no detailed descriptions of particular cases. I wonder what you will say now as an outstandingly educated expert :)

It’s interesting that you mentioned the DSM at all. Making such suggestions is very unproffessional. You have no data to confirm whether i show other symptomes of a particular DSM type. And as far as i know one symtome is not enough to prove me a psychopath. Suggesting there can be something wrong with me just on the basis of two posts i wrote is a hell of a compromitation. A serious psychiatrist would never do it. I guess you’re merely a psychologist. A haughty one. I’ve meet somebody just like you on my local forum. Only she was more specific and made a full diagnosis. Why won’t you have a go? It will be really funny to see if you both diagnose me in the same way :)

About the hate i have for Americans; ignorance is rarely a positive thing, no matter whether in American or Polish version. The facts are brutal – an average American knows consioderably less about the world than an average European. America may be better for living but the genaral knowledge about the world in Europe is better than in America. I’m sorry if i am the first person who made you aware of this. Let me give you an example. When they hear that i’m from Poland, American people usually say something like, oh, Holland? Yes, we’ve heard about it! If i asked you what’s the capital of my country you’d probably have to check in the Internet before answering. And i know the capital of USA. Without checking. It’s Las Vegas of course! Just kidding ;) I also know who’s your president. Do you know who’s the president of Poland? I seriously doubt it. Regards,

ying.

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You are new here, Ying, aren't you....

"The facts are brutal – an average American knows consioderably less about the world than an average European."

Do you have anything to substantiate this 'fact', can you also describe an "average American", do you mean US citizen, or are Canadians, Mexicans, Venezuelans etc included in your generalisation.
I'd also like to hear your description of an average Euopean.

Also this statement.....
"About the hate i have for Americans"
All Americans? How many do you personally know? If you are going to outright admit that you hate an entire continent, then many people will simply ignore you, I'd wager many of the respondents to this thread already regret hitting the reply button.

If you want to see this discussion go anywhere, like a good civilised discussion should, then you will have to be less polemic, otherwise folks simply won't join your chat.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not suicidal, not right now anyways, I've been through some dark thoughts during unpleasant times, but I pulled through. I also lost 2 friends last year to suicide, good friends, valued friends, and beautiful people. I reckon you haven't got a clue what you are saying when you postulate that I jump, therefore I have a death wish.

I jump because I have a life wish.

You also refer to God many times as 'he', I can tell you for a fact that God is a 'She'.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[Skyrad 0]

Crap! Skydiving is ENDORSED by the Bible! Don't belive me? Check it out..........

1 Thessalonians 4:17

'We who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord for ever.'

God Bless

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[NickDG 23]

>>Matter of fact, I have a prayer that I say in the plane on each and every skydive for my own safety and the safety of all those on board. <<

Please refrain from doing that if you see me on the load. God is very busy, and I don't want your praying to help cause Him to notice me. I'm afraid He'd say, "Oh, there's that son of . . ."

NickD BASE 194

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What do you think?

I think you are one of those religious nut cases that has no business telling us what we should and shouldn't do with OUR own lives.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Ying, why not jUst state the point you're trying to make instead of trying to insult everyone? Your feeble attemt at trying to sound excessivly intelligent isn't working, nor does it help your argument.

I don't see why you are so persistant in trying to convince everyone of something so pointless. I'm sure there are many people that subconciously want to die. Most of them probably participate in some sort of risky behaivor, what does that matter?


Troll Comment #1
You didn't call anyone stupid, I agree, you just said what we do is stupid.

Troll Comment #2
You admitted you don't like Americans, then proceed to tell everyone that all Europeans are smarter than Americans.

And regarding the comment about you hitting on me, it was a joke. Surely someone as "intelligent" as yourself would have known that.

I don't know who the leader of Poland is, and I'm not really concerned about that. The chances of me needing to know that anytime in the near future are slim. If I do need to, I'm sure I can find out who it is.


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I think you are one of those religious nut cases that has no business telling us what we should and shouldn't do with OUR own lives.

I talked to Jesus this morning (actually he sent me an email). He said that Ying is incorrect and that he should quit touching himself in a sinful manner.

[rehmwa 2]

J - Nice try, but won't likely get the thread locked as much as just getting yourself banned. Maybe not. I don't know.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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J - Nice try, but won't likely get the thread locked as much as just getting yourself banned. Maybe not. I don't know.

Good point... post edited.

[ying 0]

Guys, a few more posts like that and i will really believe that you don't understand what you read; :/

I have NEVER said i hate Americans (US citizens if you like). It's Michele who suggested it when i was surprised that Justinb138 hadn't heard about Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Let me stress this I DO NOT HATE AMERICANS. Many great specialists recruit from your nation. You have amazing achievements in science and art. It was you who put a man on the Moon. Your country is well organised and it promotes creativeness. But an average American, that is first American you'd ask on the street, knows less about the world than an average European.

It's a very popular opinion in Europe. Many people told me so. But i rarely rely on what people tell me about others. I've checked it for myself. I talked to Americans. Via Internet and face to face. What struck me was your Americenrtism. You project your cultural habits on other cultures. And you tend to concentrate on your own country and your own problems. That's what i meant. So don't try to make some America-hater from me because i'm certainly not one.

Justinb138; if you had a sense of humor you would know my answer to your comment about my hitting on you was a joke.

I DID NOT, at any point, call stupid what you do. I only said that there are people who consider it stupid. Do you see the difference?

Skyrad; interesting. But there is another fragment in the Bible. It comes from the New Testament. I have no acces to the Bible in English, so i’ll roughly translate what i’ve got; St. Matthew, chapter 4: “And then satan took Him [Jesus] to the Holy City, put him on the roof of the shrine and told Him: ‘If you are a son Of God then JUMP DOWN, because there was writen: I shall tell my angels to protect you, that you didn’t wound your leg againt any rock.’ Jesus repied to him: ‘There was also written: YOU SHALL NOT PUT GOD, YOUR MASTER, TO ANY TESTS.” How do you like it? “You shall not put God to any tests....” does it leave place for any doubts? Isn’t skydiving just constant testing God?

Happythoughts; do you mean that i should get rid of my favourite vibrator? But it was given to me by my boyfriend! He made me promise that i would use it whenever i feel like having sex when he was away on a business trip. No, i won't throw it away ;)

Regards,

ying.

[Iwan 47]

Hi Skydivers,

We had the same problem with Ying on our polish skydiving forum. It looks like she has just find her brain for the first time and she’s thinking that is the only one.
Today we resolved the problem and Ying is banned. We like jumping and fun, and no one wants to be treated as silly and psychologically analyzed by anonymous person. We still don’t know who is she or he. I’m afraid, for her it’s not interesting what You are thinking.javascript: addTag(':/')
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Isn’t skydiving just constant testing God?

No. It's a constant testing of a parachute.

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I DID NOT, at any point, call stupid what you do. I only said that there are people who consider it stupid. Do you see the difference?

Really? Here is a quote from an earlier post of yours:

I said that jumping from a plane that isn’t damaged in any way can be classified as stupidity


If I don't like what's on the radio, I don't call and complain that the host is a jerk or crazy, I change the station. If you don't enjoy skydiving, just don't jump and find something else to do. Don't come here and tell me that I jump because I want to die, that I'm suicidal, etc. Don't come here and tell me skydiving is stupid. Go somewhere else.

It's taken me about three posts, but at least I can say that I've learned something. This is a waste of time.

Feel free to reply to my post, but don't expect a response, as I don't feel like wasting any more time than I already have.

Have a nice day.

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Matter of fact, I have a prayer that I say in the plane on each and every skydive for my own safety and the safety of all those on board.

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I do too! I pray for the safety of the pilot and jumpers and also for quick think should a malfunction occur...but I always pray that we have fun and learn something...I'm a Joy filled Christian and I assure you that Ying's opinion definitely doesn't apply to most of us...ask Christian Skydivers Association and the "Jesus Jumpers" Dan

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Ladies and Gentelmen; let me introduce you a famous Polish skydiving instructor Iwan, who'd gladly see all people who don't agree with him permanently banned and deprived of the right to speak and write what they think. Be careful - if he considers your posts intelligent he'll accuse you of showing off and desperately trying to prove you're clever. And if you refuse to give up and continue to argue with him you'll likely to read that you are a freak, a schizophrenic who've fallen in love with him and who can fuck off because he already has a girlfriend :)

Iwan! :) what a surprise! I thought you're fed up with my suicidal subject. How do you like the answers i got here? They differ from those you and the rest of Polish skydivers gave me, don't they. And by the way, zrob cos ze swoim sedesem, bo po tym co napisales w watku o moderowaniu (a moze to byl temat jakie forum?) wynosze, ze zaczynasz miec jakies natretne mysli o "wyplywaniu" ;)

Skyrad; i've checked the quote you wrote about. You took the words out of context. They refer to the day of judgment and not to everyday life.

Justinb138; you really do not understand what you read. It's a real shame for an adult :/

I'm affraid that saying something "can be classified as stupid" is not exactly the same as saying it actually "is stupid". Surely it does not express the opinion of the person who makes such a statement. Straightforwardly speaking, i DO NOT consider parachuting a stupidity. But some people i know - do.

Regards,

ying.

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It is obvious that you have problems with your subconscious suicidal tendences because of the focus that you have placed on it. Discussing it and bringing your feelings out into the open is a commendable first step.

However, your main roadblock to finding a solution is your choice of venue. All the posters have been telling you that they don't have the same negative feelings that you do. You need to get into some sort of group therapy with people who have the same problems and negative beliefs. This is not the appropriate place apparently.

I wish you the best in dealing with your problem, but I suggest that you quit skydiving until you can resolve it.