Muenkel 0 #26 January 5, 2005 How can anyone know the answer to this question when we don't know the list of who has been banned? I've been banned before, but I do not think it had anything to do with favoritism. I remember when Talk Back was divided into The Bonfire and Speaker's Corner. When this was done, I do believe HH said that more leniency was given in Speaker's Corner as long as it didn't break the forum rules....correct me if I am wrong. I have noticed for quite a while now that many folks like to push the line a bit. The more they push it, the more others think it's OK. If this pattern is allowed to continue then the whole purpose of this forum will deteriorate. This is why I believe the Mods are reeling some people in. HH has made it very clear about what he demands as the tone in SC. It's only been a sticky for how long? If you don't understand it, then perhaps a pm to one of the moderators would clear it up for you. This forum is for controversial issues. It's natural for the discussion to get heated. But we're all adults...we should know when we are baiting someone or pushing that line. Cheers, Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #27 January 5, 2005 QuoteQuotebut if catering to his "clientele" is among them, maybe asking what THEY want instead of having the moderators tell them what is good for them would be a good idea. He does. That's why they do what they do. He does? I don't recall any reader survey or similar. I've not been here as long as you, of course, and mostly a lurker. It seems like most of the regulars have been banned at one time or another. What does that tell you? Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #28 January 5, 2005 generally (and despite having been banned twice) i think they do a pretty fair job... lately however i've seen a tendency to 'pull the trigger' to fast IMO.. if irony and sarcasm are being taken as personal attacks then there isnt much point in discussion as that removes two of the major elements, particularly in a forum that is titled "Speaker's Corner" honestly i believe the rules (in here) should be much more relaxed.. sign your waiver at the door and give as good as you get.. if you dont like it dont play... leaning more towards "only the nice allowed" has meant i havent bothered to post many topics i'd love to see discussed as "real" discussion and debate wouldn’t exist... IMO it isn’t hard to ignore the blatant trolling and continue on throughout.. the crowd in here is pretty dedicated and reasonably aware of the nature of most of our topics, so barring anything blatantly illegal or overtly offensive i'd rather we be left to police ourselves... but then i'm a libertarian too.... the fewer controls and limits imposed on the members of a community the better imho____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #29 January 5, 2005 QuoteHe does? I don't recall any reader survey or similar. I've not been here as long as you, of course, and mostly a lurker. Yes, he does. Before SC was made, this was all in Talkback. There were a lot more complaints from people back then about the general tone of the forum than there were complaints from people about being banned. Instead of just starting to ban everyone outright, SC was created so that those bothered with it don't have to deal with it. QuoteIt seems like most of the regulars have been banned at one time or another. What does that tell you? I don't think that's true. But even if it were, it would tell me that the regulars (myself included) gets obnoxious from time to time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #30 January 5, 2005 I'll admit that I'm an ass sometimes (most of the time?), but I've never been banned (*knock on wood*) in the 4 1/2 years I've been on DZ.com. I've had threads locked and some deleted before (sometimes deleted due to the greenie being confused), but never banned.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #31 January 5, 2005 No they don't play favorites. As a matter of fact, they're bending over backwards to prove their objectivity because the conservatives are bitching so much. The truth is the conservatives get their blood pressure up, say asinine things, and get bent out of shape and whine when called on their indiscretions. We're all supposedly adults. We know the rules! Lets stop bitching when we get reprimanded for breaking them.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #32 January 5, 2005 I've never been banned. I don't think I've ever even been warned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #33 January 5, 2005 Quote I've never been banned. I don't think I've ever even been warned. That's probably because your abrasive nature intimidates all the moderators! Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #34 January 5, 2005 QuoteThat's probably because your abrasive nature intimidates all the moderators! Nope that's not it. Ever seen the movie Secretary? Kris is the secretary Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #35 January 5, 2005 QuoteWith regards to political persuasion, I think they do really, really well for the most part. BillVon and I don't agree on much politically and he's never banned me before. He's pretty darned fair with me and we're political opposites in many regards. I've only disagreed with a few of his moderator actions. Quade too disagrees with me on a lot of things but I agree with all of his moderator actions that I've seen. TomAiello and I are close in politics in many regards and I disagree with every single action he's taken as a moderator that I've seen in Speaker's Corner - especially banning me for no good reason. Didn't know John Kallend used to be a greenie. Interesting. Who has been banned recently other than Kallend and PeacefulJeffrey? I see, so to give the impression that there is no political bias the conservative greenies ban/suspend conservative members - liberal greenies ban/suspend liberal members. We've got em fingered out! BTW, I was just suspended for 2 weeks for basically returning barbs. My opinion is that paying members have a lot more lattitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #36 January 5, 2005 QuoteNope that's not it. Ever seen the movie Secretary? Kris is the secretary Sorry, but I've not seen the movie. I do hope you don't think I seriously thought nightingale had an abrasive tone. I've honestly never heard any rude or abrasive dialog from her at all, especially compared to some of us that have been warned and/or banned.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #37 January 5, 2005 QuoteMy opinion is that paying members have a lot more lattitude. Why? I've never noticed that. Even if it were true....so what? This isn't public space any further than the guy paying for it wants it to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #38 January 5, 2005 QuoteI've never been banned. I don't think I've ever even been warned. Well consider this your first warning then Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #39 January 5, 2005 QuoteI voted damn right they do, cuz I have never been banned, so I know they favor meeeeee!! Classic.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #40 January 5, 2005 >Ever seen the movie Secretary? Kris is the secretary I thought we all agreed not to mention that little detail . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #41 January 5, 2005 Quote>Ever seen the movie Secretary? Kris is the secretary I thought we all agreed not to mention that little detail . . . My fingers were crossedKeith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #42 January 5, 2005 No, I knew you were being facetious.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #43 January 5, 2005 I haven't seen the movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwslut 0 #44 January 5, 2005 QuoteWith regards to political persuasion, I think they do really, really well for the most part. BillVon and I don't agree on much politically and he's never banned me before. He's pretty darned fair with me and we're political opposites in many regards. I've only disagreed with a few of his moderator actions. Quade too disagrees with me on a lot of things but I agree with all of his moderator actions that I've seen. TomAiello and I are close in politics in many regards and I disagree with every single action he's taken as a moderator that I've seen in Speaker's Corner - especially banning me for no good reason. Didn't know John Kallend used to be a greenie. Interesting. Who has been banned recently other than Kallend and PeacefulJeffrey? I haven't noticed political views to be an issue in discliplinary actions. It seems to have become a place for cliques, however.What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #45 January 5, 2005 Hey all, there are some posters here that remember when HH shut down the forums because of people getting out of control. Please, be careful where you all go. I've never even been given a warning because I know where that line is drawn. Figure it out peple and you won't get banned.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #46 January 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy opinion is that paying members have a lot more lattitude. Why? I've never noticed that. Even if it were true....so what? This isn't public space any further than the guy paying for it wants it to be. So what? Well, it's true the forum has no duty to provide a service, but if any forum wants to appeal to its members in good faith they should appear to be objective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #47 January 5, 2005 QuoteNo they don't play favorites. As a matter of fact, they're bending over backwards to prove their objectivity because the conservatives are bitching so much. The truth is the conservatives get their blood pressure up, say asinine things, and get bent out of shape and whine when called on their indiscretions. Hey there Scooter, I take offense at that comment about Conservatives. That comment deserves a personal attack you...you...scallywag! Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #48 January 5, 2005 Quoteyou...you...scallywag! MODERATORS!!! Do something about this conservative and his asinine comment! Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 January 5, 2005 QuoteNo they don't play favorites. As a matter of fact, they're bending over backwards to prove their objectivity because the conservatives are bitching so much. The truth is the conservatives get their blood pressure up, say asinine things, and get bent out of shape and whine when called on their indiscretions. We're all supposedly adults. We know the rules! Lets stop bitching when we get reprimanded for breaking them. I agree that the moderators do seem to bend over backwards to give people warnings before they get banned, but I would say there's plenty of bitching on *BOTH* sides....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #50 January 5, 2005 I think its important to note that HH primarily runs a skydiving forum, not a political forum. As has been mentioned before, SC and Bonfire are just 'noise', a repository for things that dont belong in the skydiving forums. As such, I doubt he takes it too seriously about who gets banned in Bonfire or SC, nobody is deprived of useful skydiving information. The moderators also have their own private forum and not all of them are "left", "right" or have the same friends. If a political or other bias is perceived to be present, you can be sure the moderators raise the matter in their own forum and HH would know all about it. As a community forum, the actions of moderators will be silently judged by community opinion, and those moderators will live with the reputation and respect (or lack of it) that they carry as a result, for better or for worse. I dislike "authority figures" more than most people do, so I absolutely understand the frustration experienced by banned members who believe the moderators made a mistake, but I also think that posting in Bonfire and SC should perhaps not be our primary motivation for visiting DZ.com - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
