slug 1 #1 January 5, 2005 http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/04/tsunami.saudis/index.html Hi folks Not trying to be political, racist or bad but we heard this news spot on CNN today Certain countries in the middle east that are known for their oil wealth are not contributing what some people think is a fair amount of $$$ to aid the tsunami victims. CNN also stated that some of the more militant conservative groups in the ME are implying that the Tsunami was caused by a nuclear conspiracy between India, zionists and USA. Why is it whenever shit happens someone thinks it's a conspiracy or want to put a spin on it to suit their own agenda. Unbelivable R.i.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #2 January 5, 2005 Yeah and I just saw the Saudis just up'd their donations to a whopping 10 mil. The US is footing most the bill and it's mostly muslums benefitting. W/ all the oil $$ I would think they'd help the mostI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #3 January 5, 2005 We'll see what happens, maybe it's a cultural thing or the big boy's are on vacation. I don't agree with the shame game of keeping track of who's giving how much. This crisis is going to take a long time to get straightened out so the M.E. countries have some time to get their act together. The blame game of the nuke conspiracy tells me there's a big communication problem of what we're all about. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #4 January 5, 2005 http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/04/tsunami.saudis/index.html made it clicky QuoteAn Arab talk-show host said, "Many Arab viewers have become racist. Unfortunately, the tragedy that befell Asians has no effect on many of them." Another observer wrote, "This is a chance for Arabs to show their humanity" and prove that they can give generously "regardless of race, ethnicity and religion. Giving just because it is the right thing to do." Others pointed out that Indonesia, with a death toll of 94,000 in the disaster, is the world's most populous Muslim nation. I heard a 2ed account that said the arabs were afraid aid would get to non-muslims was the reason the aid was lagging. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 January 5, 2005 QuoteThe US is footing most the bill and it's mostly muslums benefitting. This is incorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 January 5, 2005 QuoteI heard a 2ed account that said the arabs were afraid aid would get to non-muslims was the reason the aid was lagging. Then they should give it directly to Indonesia, the country with the world's largest Muslim population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 January 5, 2005 MIKE SCHUMACHER The formula 1 race car driver donated 10Million of his own Cash!!!!! That is as much as Saudi Arabia. So much for muslums helping their own.... But no worry. Al jazera and other media outlets in the middle east will spin this to be the US's fault and will give no credit where credit is due. Isreal offered $$$ and planes.... Ofcourse it was all refused. Me personally... I won't donate!!! I paid my taxes, and my government donated $$. I am beginning to wonder why. Imagine if this happened in the USA.... I know the Euro's would help, the Aussies and probably Japan as well as canada. But can you see any of the countries we are helping now ever helping us???? I can't. In fact there was a picture on Fox news the other night of a US soldier helping a hurt kid in Indonesia I believe... The kid was wearing an Osama Bin Laden T-shirt .... go figure. But you know what. We help anyway. Sorry I had to rant. But I gave up giving $$ to charity years ago. Especially Cancer research!!! Personal Experience is the reason. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 January 5, 2005 Wow...that's disgusting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #9 January 5, 2005 what is? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 January 5, 2005 I don't think you'd understand...forget I said anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #11 January 5, 2005 You can PM is you don't want to say it here!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #12 January 5, 2005 Wow! You seem to be misinformed. I mean, all you had to do was watch CNN to see how many tourist that local Thai people SAVED. I have first hand accounts of the Thai people saving several Swedish tourist. So yes, I can "see any of the countries we are helping now ever helping us???? " It's not a pissing match to see who can whip out the largest check book to buy band-aids. There are plenty of people doing the dirty work with the money that is coming in. Have a look at WHO is hauling off the bodies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #13 January 5, 2005 You apparently didn't understand my post. What I was saying is, if the tsunami happend in Cali and 100k people were killed, how much aid do you think the Thai government, or indonesia, or Vietnam, or Sri Lanka would send over????? Seriously, I would like an answer? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #14 January 5, 2005 QuoteYou apparently didn't understand my post. What I was saying is, if the tsunami happend in Cali and 100k people were killed, how much aid do you think the Thai government, or indonesia, or Vietnam, or Sri Lanka would send over????? Seriously, I would like an answer? How much money do they have? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #15 January 5, 2005 There is a lot going on. Not just money. If you are measuring money you should look at it as the percentage of the countries income. If I have a dollar and give you .50 cents and you have a 100.00 and give me one I am giving more in a way. That kind of thing. Either way it is a tragedy and will take lots of time and effort to get them anywhere. I hope people will not forget about it as soon as CNN finds a new story(me included).I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 January 5, 2005 QuoteIf I have a dollar and give you .50 cents and you have a 100.00 and give me one I am giving more in a way. Well, that is true. However, in a more accurate sense, it's false. Math isn't subjective that way. Follow the logic, if you go to a McDonalds and buy a hamburger for $1. Does that mean you think Bill Gates should pay $100,000 for another one just like it? Some people think that way.........Some think that BG should just buy burgers for everyone else. I'd rather look at the donations as the total dollars donated vs an estimate of what is thought to be needed - regardless of where it comes from. My preference? no country donates, strictly individuals do it because it's the right thing to do. It's such a waste of energy keeping score on a national level - petty too. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #17 January 5, 2005 My answer is that you seem to think that money is the only form of aid. Also. There are plenty of American Tourist that are free to come and go in their countries. Can they come here to vacation? Let alone help out? Hmmm. Do you think they would get a visa? There have been plenty of times in my life when I wanted to help out in any given situation. I had no money, so I rolled up my sleeves instead. Physical aid is as important as monitary aid. If not more so. I don't think that any of those countries would be in a monitary position to help with a Cali devastation. I do think that the desire to help out would exsist, but would not be easily facilitated by our country. So you are comparing apples to oranges. But as I said. The Thai people could have just run to safety. But there are countless stories of Thais waking sleeping tourists on the beach, grabbing children,etc. In fact after the devastation, they are not only trying to make sense of their own loss, but they are setting up camps to help the tourists find their loved ones. Folks of all races are helping each other out there. We are sitting here in our heated offices and homes typing complaints on a computer in some sort of virtual reality as though our opinion really matters! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #18 January 5, 2005 It's such a waste of energy keeping score on a national level - petty too. Agreed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #19 January 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou apparently didn't understand my post. What I was saying is, if the tsunami happend in Cali and 100k people were killed, how much aid do you think the Thai government, or indonesia, or Vietnam, or Sri Lanka would send over????? Seriously, I would like an answer? How much money do they have? Blues, Dave As a percentage.. I don't care... I have a feeling Indonesia would tell us to F*** ourselves, it was Alla getting back at us for being infidels etc.... The sad part is, I don't care anymore.... I am beginning to think we should say "Screw" to the rest of the world as far as handouts. I am not a socialist, in fact I am exactly the opposite, but if we are going to give away $350mil, military planes and choppers to help and a shitload of fuel to a part of the world that has no interest in the US or what good we do, i say redistribute it here at home. I am sure there are a million places it could go here. Look, I am not usually an asshole about this type of shit, but I am really getting tired of some of the ungrateful regimes in this world. I think it would best if we just left them well enough alone. Where was the Sri Lankan Gov when then could have bought a Tsunami warning system? Or Indonesia? So, now we have to come in and help, and we have promised them an alarm system at little or no cost.... I sypathize with the individual people.. But not the nations they are from. Anyway, my money stays at home. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 January 5, 2005 QuoteFollow the logic, if you go to a McDonalds and buy a hamburger for $1. Does that mean you think Bill Gates should pay $100,000 for another one just like it? Some people think that way......... People like JC. Quoted rather look at the donations as the total dollars donated vs an estimate of what is thought to be needed Why look at all? Give what you can reasonably afford to give to causes that you believe in. Who cares who or how much is being given by others? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #21 January 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteFollow the logic, if you go to a McDonalds and buy a hamburger for $1. Does that mean you think Bill Gates should pay $100,000 for another one just like it? Some people think that way......... People like JC. Quoted rather look at the donations as the total dollars donated vs an estimate of what is thought to be needed Why look at all? Give what you can reasonably afford to give to causes that you believe in. Who cares who or how much is being given by others? Who cares???? Asshats in scandinavia who say the US is stingy, which then breeds hatred among muslims because we aren't helping out.... Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 January 5, 2005 QuoteWho cares???? Asshats in scandinavia who say the US is stingy, Considering you said you won't give anything, think the US shouldn't give anything, and don't give to any charities at all......you think the asshats calling us stingy might have some reason for saying it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #23 January 5, 2005 Yes and no..... No, because his facts were fundimentally flawed. But yes if I had my way!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #24 January 5, 2005 QuoteYou apparently didn't understand my post. What I was saying is, if the tsunami happend in Cali and 100k people were killed, how much aid do you think the Thai government, or indonesia, or Vietnam, or Sri Lanka would send over????? Seriously, I would like an answer? How can you compare Thailand, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka to us? You could combine all their GDPs, natural resources, and technology and take it to the 10th power and still that wouldn't come close to ours. Is this all of a sudden a quid pro quo or a pissing contest? If they didn't help us out in Fla during Andrew, NYC in 9/11, LA in 1994 why should we help them out. While surfing once someone got pulled out by a rip tide, I didn't sit back and go,"hmmm would he save me if I was in that position" I just jumped in and went after him. When I see pictures of people in these regions I dont see Muslims, Jews, Catholics, brown, yellow, white or black skinned people. They're freaking human beings who need help and if I can help them I will. I could care less what France, or Saudia Arabie do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 January 5, 2005 QuoteWhy look at all? Give what you can reasonably afford to give to causes that you believe in. Who cares who or how much is being given by others? I really wouldn't care about other individuals, just the overall total gift relative to need. You are reading into it too much. Because once the total requirement is met, then giving should stop or else it becomes an entitlement the never ends. Are you opposed to people quantifying their need and making that public info? Ever done a budget? Conversely, if the world is short to the need, then that is also good information and maybe people would give a bit more realizing the shortfall. Still I don't know what's worse, underkill or overkill. {As far as I can tell,} you continue to think overkill. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
