2 out situation

[Mark24688m 0]

hey everybody. Im just wondering if theyre are any good threads out there discussing a 2-out situation. Ive used the search but have been unsuccessful in finding what im looking for. Ive talked to different people about the procedures but every once in a while sombody will say how they do just slight things different. Im basically just looking for some threads that discuss all of the possbile situations and the correct way to handle them. thanks.

[labrys 0]

http://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/dualsq.pdf

Here's a great read.

Owned by Remi #?

[astor 0]

http://www.zct.co.uk/skydivemag/pages/articles/aug03/canopiesout.html
http://www.pierltd.com/new/product_descriptions/miracle_mike.htm
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2373787;search_string=two%20out;#2373787
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=1786145;page=1;mh=-1;;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2256597

[Mark24688m 0]

Thanks guys.

They talk a lot in the first link about using toogle input from the front/bigger canopy on the biplane and side-by-side configurations, but from what i've read around the forums people usually say to leave all the toggles stowed. Whats the deal?

[AggieDave 6]

Firstly, you really need to talk this over with your instructors. Everything you read here, even if its from someone you *think* is experience enough to give you advice, may not be correct for you or your situation.


My personal opinion is that if both of the canopies are flying relatively cleanly, why change the configuration of the canopies by unstowing the toggles. Gentle rear riser movements to get pointed in the right direction and PLF the landing.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[labrys 0]

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They talk a lot in the first link about using toogle input from the front/bigger canopy on the biplane and side-by-side configurations, but from what i've read around the forums people usually say to leave all the toggles stowed. Whats the deal?

That's what PD recommends. The USPA SIM also recommends using the toggles. Have you looked at the SIM yet?

AggieDave is 100% right that you should ask your instructors first and foremost, though.

Owned by Remi #?

[riggerrob 643]

Agreed!

If it's working, why mess with it?

[AFFI 0]

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They talk a lot in the first link about using toogle input from the front/bigger canopy on the biplane and side-by-side configurations, but from what i've read around the forums people usually say to leave all the toggles stowed. Whats the deal?

That's what PD recommends. The USPA SIM also recommends using the toggles. Have you looked at the SIM yet?

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Aggiedave:
My personal opinion is that if both of the canopies are flying relatively cleanly, why change the configuration of the canopies by unstowing the toggles. Gentle rear riser movements to get pointed in the right direction and PLF the landing.

I once discussed this disparity with the late great Don Y. – his opinion about teaching which method to newcomers was that leaving the risers stowed versus using the toggles to steer was simply a matter of the sensitivity of riser input.

A skydiver with 2 out and all hopped up on adrenalin has a greater chance of applying too much pressure with riser input that can potentially make their situation worse.
The key word for steering control is “Gentle” – which might be difficult when the super human strength adrenalin provides takes over in order to protect.

To the OP – handling a 2-Out situation can seem like a daunting situation – it is best at this point in the game as many others have recommended is to talk to a solo freefall instructor (AFFI).
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Mykel AFF-I10
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