bodypilot90 0 #1 January 13, 2005 seeing that all the money coming in skimming even a micro-small percentage would mean real wealth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 January 13, 2005 I really don't trust the UN any farther then I can throw them...I can't throw them very far at all.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #3 January 13, 2005 Considering we have a convicted criminal in the whitehouse who can never seem to get his story straight, integrity in the UN is the least of my worries. Besides, the micro-percentage is insignificant in comparison to the dues for which the US are in arrears.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #4 January 13, 2005 Well don't let a day pass by without attempting to bash the UN or France... I worked years ago with a company selling equipment to developing countries through the UN system and sure there was corruption. On the other hand - same problems did exsist with aid from bilateral national aid agencies. The issue is that there is a lot of corruption in countries where aid flows to and is really impossible to totally avoid it. You will find the same problem existing with aid from private charitable organisations. Remember the issues regarding the money send to the American Red Cross for a specific desaster and ending in administration some years ago? The UN has a strong infratructure in most developing countries and a lot of experience in humanitarian relief. So - yes - I would trust them to do decent job with the money.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #5 January 13, 2005 QuoteWell don't let a day pass by without attempting to bash the UN or France... I was getting worried myself. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #6 January 13, 2005 Quote Well don't let a day pass by without attempting to bash the UN or France we wouldn't want to let that happen would we? well the more money the bigger the temptation and giving the current track record of the UN I think it's wise to be a bit skeptic. I have been a part of the private side, while i can only speak for my group, there was no skimming. As for f corruption in countries where aid flows I understand that but if you have that group taking 10% off the back end you do not need the un taking it's percentage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #7 January 13, 2005 QuoteConsidering we have a convicted criminal in the whitehouse who can never seem to get his story straight, integrity in the UN is the least of my worries. Nice attempt at diversion, however you failed to answer the question at hand. QuoteBesides, the micro-percentage is insignificant in comparison to the dues for which the US are in arrears. Are you suggesting that it's OK for the UN to skim some off the top as long as it's not too much? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #8 January 13, 2005 Quote Nice attempt at diversion, however you failed to answer the question at hand. Yes. Until a better system comes along, the UN must be trusted.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #9 January 13, 2005 They must be trusted, you say. The question is do -you- trust them? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 January 13, 2005 You are more likely to run into other groups taking a tad bit here and there with any massive ammounts of money. No one should be trusted with that much money.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #11 January 13, 2005 A guy in Chicago named Duff just yesterday plead guilty to 31 counts of fraud that made his company $100M. Then there's Enron. Can Americans be trusted with that much money? Maybe we should have a poll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #12 January 13, 2005 QuoteUntil a better system comes along, the UN must be trusted. How many groups are working there? I find it odd that you only think the UN is the best to handle such giving it's track record of looking the other way in other countries and the current oil for food scam. One does not ask a car thief to watch your car and expect nothing to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 January 13, 2005 Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I, and what alternatives would you suggest?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #14 January 13, 2005 QuoteHow many groups are working there? I agree, Médecins sans frontieres is a good pick. Or Les Lyonnais sans frontieres as well. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #15 January 13, 2005 see my post just above yours Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #16 January 13, 2005 Well, when the likes of you and I give money in a situation like this, its normally to organisations like Red Cross, Medecins sans Frontieres etc. I gave to the DEC, which is a collaboration of a number of UK aid outfits. The role the UN plays is at a much higher level, IE soliciting support from countries rather than individuals, they also co-ordinate the big stuff, organising C130s and such like. So its not really an issue of whether we, as individuals, trust the UN, its a matter of whether our govts trust the UN, and why shouldn't they? After all, the UN is made of representatives from our govts. However, nobody is answering the question, if you don't trust the UN, who else would you trust? And I hope nobody is witholding donations because they don't trust the UN, give it to BJ Worth's scheme instead.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 January 13, 2005 QuoteConsidering we have a convicted criminal in the whitehouse who can never seem to get his story straight Well, lets see Clinton lied under oath, but he kept his job. Kerry comited war crimes according to his own testimony. Perjury and murder vs drunk driving.... I know people who drove drunk...I don't think they are bad people. Most people who commit murder are in jail, and most who lie under oath get put in jail as well... Go Fish."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 January 13, 2005 QuoteWell, lets see Clinton lied under oath, but he kept his job. Kerry comited war crimes according to his own testimony. To paraphrase your words: if there is no conviction then obviously there wasn't a crime. Bush did get convicted, well we think since his documents have since gone "missing". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 January 13, 2005 QuoteTo paraphrase your words: if there is no conviction then obviously there wasn't a crime. Bush did get convicted, well we think since his documents have since gone "missing". Clinton was found guilty of perjury and was removed from the bar. Kerry Admitted under oath to war crimes. Just because he was not charged does not mean he was not guilty...Hell he ADMITTED to it. Unless he was lying under oath...So which was it? Did he commit war crimes, or did he lie?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 January 13, 2005 QuoteJust because he was not charged does not mean he was not guilty...Hell he ADMITTED to it. Unless he was lying under oath...So which was it? Did he commit war crimes, or did he lie? Funny how standards change depending on the subject........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #21 January 13, 2005 QuoteFunny how standards change depending on the subject........ No change. You claim Bush is a bad person due to a getting caught driving drunk...I know folks that have gotten DUI's...I don't consider them less of a person. I have in my past driven drunk...Not smart, but I don't consider me to be a bad person for it. I would venture to guess that you know folks that have driven drunk....You might even have driven drunk yourself. Clinton lied under oath about a really small issue. He lied to try and cover his ass...I wonder what else he would lie about? At any rate he was guilty of perjury and while he was disbarred, the left didn't seem to care at all. If he had come out and said "Yes I had sex with the fat chick in the Blue Dress" I would not have respected him, but it would not have been CRIMINAL. But he lied, then tried to play games; Define "sex", what is the definiton of "is". He lied under oath. Kerry admitted to war crimes in testimony to Congress. He did it to become a political power. Now he either did commit war crimes like he said he did...Or he lied to Congress. Which is it? Is he a murderer, or a liar? So while you might have driven drunk (I have), I doubt you have commited war crimes, or lied to Congress under oath. I have not (Although I have been on the floors of both the House and Senate, I didn't lie...Of course I also didn't speak.)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #22 January 13, 2005 Neither Clinton, nor Kerry are in office, that other guy is.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #23 January 13, 2005 QuoteNeither Clinton, nor Kerry are in office, that other guy is. Thank God Clinton is gone and Kerry lost"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #24 January 13, 2005 "Thank God Clinton is gone and Kerry lost" Yes, praise be to Allah -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #25 January 13, 2005 I don't think Clinton, Kerry, or Bush have anything to do with whether or not the UN can be trusted with a bunch of money. I liked Clinton. I think Bush is an idiot. I don't think the UN can be trusted. But the dinger just went off, meaning the biscotti's gotta come out of the oven. Yumm.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
