skydivejo 0 #1 January 16, 2005 if you are a christian then natural drugs should be an ok within the church as you think that god created everything for our use do you agree!?!those who do it cant explain it! those who dont, cant understand it!.. if riding in a plane is flying then ridding in a boat is swimming!? experince the eliment get out!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #2 January 16, 2005 haha Anthrax is natural. Oil is natural. Uranium is natural. Radiation is natural. Nightshade is natural. Botulism is natural. Poison ivy is natural. Arsenic is natural. The list is endless.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivejo 0 #3 January 16, 2005 yes but alot of those you have to mix chemicals i talkin about stuff that u can pick dry and smoke and stuff like that: cocca leaves for example tribes chew them as they are a very high halosanagneic (shit spelling) also that cures alttitude sickness for climbers!!those who do it cant explain it! those who dont, cant understand it!.. if riding in a plane is flying then ridding in a boat is swimming!? experince the eliment get out!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 January 16, 2005 Quote if you are a christian then natural drugs should be an ok within the church as you think that god created everything for our use That depends on how you read certain passages of the Bible. Some people argue that if its not done for a medical reason, that its wrong due your body being a temple of God.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #5 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuote if you are a christian then natural drugs should be an ok within the church as you think that god created everything for our use That depends on how you read certain passages of the Bible. Some people argue that if its not done for a medical reason, that its wrong due your body being a temple of God. How does one know what is "medical" without doing the experiment? I don't recall tablets of stone with medical remedies engraved on them being handed to Moses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #6 January 16, 2005 I personally do not consider smoking marijuana or chewing cocoa leaves biblically unacceptable... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 January 16, 2005 QuoteI don't recall tablets of stone with medical remedies engraved on them being handed to Moses. Christians aren't bound by the 10 commandments, that's the point of being a Christian and not a Jew. The new convenant (Jesus) came fullfilling prophecy and creating anew convent. Paul writes about obeying or not obeying the old law in Romans 7:15-17. It sounds like your understanding of Christian theology is very very limited. Maybe you should do some research to get a better grasp of some major theology points within a religion you're trying to debate. There's a reason why I don't debate anything beyond Christianity and the varients and cults within, since that's what I've studied in debth. I know very little beyond basic concepts in other major religions so I don't debate them.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #8 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't recall tablets of stone with medical remedies engraved on them being handed to Moses. Christians aren't bound by the 10 commandments, that's the point of being a Christian and not a Jew. The new convenant (Jesus) came fullfilling prophecy and creating anew convent. Paul writes about obeying or not obeying the old law in Romans 7:15-17. It sounds like your understanding of Christian theology is very very limited. Maybe you should do some research to get a better grasp of some major theology points within a religion you're trying to debate. There's a reason why I don't debate anything beyond Christianity and the varients and cults within, since that's what I've studied in debth. I know very little beyond basic concepts in other major religions so I don't debate them. You miss the point completely. How can anything be deemed "medical" unless either someone did a bunch of experiments, or God handed down a ruling on that substance. Now, to the best of my "very very" limited theological knowledge, no pharmaceuticals are endorsed in the Bible (New or Old Testament). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 January 16, 2005 QuoteYou miss the point completely. How can anything be deemed "medical" unless either someone did a bunch of experiments, or God handed down a ruling on that substance. No, I didn't miss the point. The answer was in my post. Basically its the spirit of the use of the substance. If used to help your body deal with injury or heal its self, and prescribed in that manner, then medical. Even purely medical drugs can be used in a non-medical manner. Its about the spirit of the use and that's between you and God. (Which was also in my post, implied due to the new convenant, which is understood in basic Christian theology).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #10 January 16, 2005 QuoteChristians aren't bound by the 10 commandments, that's the point of being a Christian and not a Jew. The new convenant (Jesus) came fullfilling prophecy and creating anew convent. Paul writes about obeying or not obeying the old law in Romans 7:15-17. You’re right in that the new covenant through Jesus frees us from Old Testament law in the sense of what’s required for salvation, however, that does not eliminate the Christians’ responsibility to follow the 10 Commandments. The new covenant only illustrates that one cannot possibly keep the law because no one is righteous and that salvation is through Christ alone. Jesus, however, did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. If one is truly a follower of Christ, he/she will be compelled to keep the 10 Commandments although that is not ultimately what will save them. Jesus himself lived by the 10 Commandments. He said to follow HIS commandments which were to love God completely and to treat others as one would be treated. That pretty much sums up the entire 10 Commandments into the two that Jesus stated. Not to be confused with the civil and ceremonial laws of the Old Testament. That is a different matter from God’s moral law in the 10 Commandments. The civil and ceremonial laws (i.e. don’t eat shellfish or stoning for adultery) are those of the Nation of Israel and no one else’s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #11 January 16, 2005 Read the verse I refrence and you'll see we're making the same point.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #12 January 16, 2005 QuoteRead the verse I refrence and you'll see we're making the same point. Roger that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AnotherGoodin 0 #13 January 17, 2005 if your going by the bible then who created it? and then I ask you why? If life gives you lemons then make lemonade, if not then go thirsty and keep on truckin' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #14 January 19, 2005 if your going by the bible then who created it? and then I ask you why? *** and if the bible was created by god...... why would he need a copyright?? RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #15 January 19, 2005 Quoteif your going by the bible then who created it? and then I ask you why? *** and if the bible was created by god...... why would he need a copyright?? Roy As long as we're now on to silly diversions: "If you urinate when swimming in a South American river, you may encounter the candiru. Drawn to warmth, this tiny fish is known to follow a stream of urine to its source, swim inside the body, and flare is barbed fins. It will remain firmly embedded in the flesh until surgically removed." Ouch! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #16 January 19, 2005 As long as we're now on to silly diversions: Quote silly diversion?? really??..... the bible was created by man.... hence the need for a protection vs copyright infringement... if you have insider info, we would love to hear it... "If you urinate when swimming in a South American river, you may encounter the candiru. Drawn to warmth, this tiny fish is known to follow a stream of urine to its source, swim inside the body, and flare is barbed fins. It will remain firmly embedded in the flesh until surgically removed." ok!!!!.........thats wrong....totally wrong!!!!..... that and the duckbilled platupuss make no sense!? RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #17 January 19, 2005 Quotethat and the duckbilled platupuss make no sense!? God has a sense of humor...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #18 January 19, 2005 God has a sense of humor... *** yes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #19 January 19, 2005 Quoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #20 January 19, 2005 I'm Christian and don't agree with what most of my fellow Christians think of drugs. I've never used illegal drugs and don't plan to, by the way. Anyway, Christ said that it's what comes out of you and not what goes into you that makes you evil or good. Most Christians use that quote as the basis for being able to consume pork, yet many refuse to condone consuming alcohol or drugs. Quite odd that those doing so know the mind of Christ. Quite akin to the thinking of the Pharisees if you think about it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #21 January 19, 2005 So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? *** only in MY dreams!!! yup....gonna smoke a turd in hell for that one!!!! RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vstar2001 0 #22 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? that would help the immaculate conseption therory along. Mary in all honesty could say that she had never had dick prior to Joesph, if God was indeed a lesbian .............I just am................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #23 January 19, 2005 > yes but alot of those you have to mix chemicals . . . There have been natural nuclear reactors fueled by uranium. There are caves naturally full of hydrogen sulfide. Basements naturally fill with radon. Assuming natural stuff is good for you just doesn't pan out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #24 January 19, 2005 Quoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that would help the immaculate conseption therory along. Mary in all honesty could say that she had never had dick prior to Joesph, if God was indeed a lesbian ............. Try researching the 'theory' of the Immaculate Conception and you will realize you have no idea what you are talking about here. Here's a hint: The Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with the Virgin Mary becoming impregnated by the Holy Spirit. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites penniless 0 #25 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? that would help the immaculate conseption therory along. Mary in all honesty could say that she had never had dick prior to Joesph, if God was indeed a lesbian ............. You have the wrong "immaculate" conception there. I love the part (Luke 1:29) where the angel impregnates Mary and she "wondered what such a greeting meant". I mean, come on now! 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AggieDave 6 #11 January 16, 2005 Read the verse I refrence and you'll see we're making the same point.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #12 January 16, 2005 QuoteRead the verse I refrence and you'll see we're making the same point. Roger that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnotherGoodin 0 #13 January 17, 2005 if your going by the bible then who created it? and then I ask you why? If life gives you lemons then make lemonade, if not then go thirsty and keep on truckin' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #14 January 19, 2005 if your going by the bible then who created it? and then I ask you why? *** and if the bible was created by god...... why would he need a copyright?? RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #15 January 19, 2005 Quoteif your going by the bible then who created it? and then I ask you why? *** and if the bible was created by god...... why would he need a copyright?? Roy As long as we're now on to silly diversions: "If you urinate when swimming in a South American river, you may encounter the candiru. Drawn to warmth, this tiny fish is known to follow a stream of urine to its source, swim inside the body, and flare is barbed fins. It will remain firmly embedded in the flesh until surgically removed." Ouch! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #16 January 19, 2005 As long as we're now on to silly diversions: Quote silly diversion?? really??..... the bible was created by man.... hence the need for a protection vs copyright infringement... if you have insider info, we would love to hear it... "If you urinate when swimming in a South American river, you may encounter the candiru. Drawn to warmth, this tiny fish is known to follow a stream of urine to its source, swim inside the body, and flare is barbed fins. It will remain firmly embedded in the flesh until surgically removed." ok!!!!.........thats wrong....totally wrong!!!!..... that and the duckbilled platupuss make no sense!? RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 January 19, 2005 Quotethat and the duckbilled platupuss make no sense!? God has a sense of humor...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #18 January 19, 2005 God has a sense of humor... *** yes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #19 January 19, 2005 Quoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #20 January 19, 2005 I'm Christian and don't agree with what most of my fellow Christians think of drugs. I've never used illegal drugs and don't plan to, by the way. Anyway, Christ said that it's what comes out of you and not what goes into you that makes you evil or good. Most Christians use that quote as the basis for being able to consume pork, yet many refuse to condone consuming alcohol or drugs. Quite odd that those doing so know the mind of Christ. Quite akin to the thinking of the Pharisees if you think about it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #21 January 19, 2005 So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? *** only in MY dreams!!! yup....gonna smoke a turd in hell for that one!!!! RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vstar2001 0 #22 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? that would help the immaculate conseption therory along. Mary in all honesty could say that she had never had dick prior to Joesph, if God was indeed a lesbian .............I just am................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #23 January 19, 2005 > yes but alot of those you have to mix chemicals . . . There have been natural nuclear reactors fueled by uranium. There are caves naturally full of hydrogen sulfide. Basements naturally fill with radon. Assuming natural stuff is good for you just doesn't pan out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #24 January 19, 2005 Quoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that would help the immaculate conseption therory along. Mary in all honesty could say that she had never had dick prior to Joesph, if God was indeed a lesbian ............. Try researching the 'theory' of the Immaculate Conception and you will realize you have no idea what you are talking about here. Here's a hint: The Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with the Virgin Mary becoming impregnated by the Holy Spirit. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #25 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteyes......SHE does..... and she's blonde... So would that make the virgin Mary a lesbian? that would help the immaculate conseption therory along. Mary in all honesty could say that she had never had dick prior to Joesph, if God was indeed a lesbian ............. You have the wrong "immaculate" conception there. I love the part (Luke 1:29) where the angel impregnates Mary and she "wondered what such a greeting meant". I mean, come on now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
