nacmacfeegle 0 #26 January 21, 2005 "My plan is to fly stealth bombers over and we drop a full load of lawyers." Ooooh, get video.Sorry MrM2, just joshing. I haven't checked the word count yet, but I reckon Dubbya used the word 'freedom' more than Mel G in Braveheart.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #27 January 21, 2005 Wouldn't be that stealthy .... you couldn't keep them silent for long enough! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #28 January 21, 2005 QuoteWouldn't be that stealthy .... you couldn't keep the silent for long enough! Apart from the occasional "SPLAT!" sound, it should be OK... Unless the North Kiranians actually "resist to the death" and we're forced to give parachutes to the Lawyers! Weapons of Mass Legislation. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #29 January 21, 2005 QuoteDude. Ease down on the English grammar rules. My apologies to GravityGirl. To answer her question: My proficiency in Norwegian is non-existant. That's why you won't see me listening to Norwegian political speeches, and then commenting upon Norwegian politics. QuoteI think it's funny that BASE is pretty much legal from cliffs in Norway, while the US National Park Service has banned it. Which country is the "land of the free" again? I don't consider BASE jumping to be the standard by which freedom is measured. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 January 21, 2005 QuoteHere in Europe we are following the development with the propaganda about Iran... How do you know it is only "propaganda", rather than fact? QuoteWhen it comes to a war against Iran, I am sure NATO will be involved! Uh-huh, just like the way France and Germany are helping out in Iraq and Afghanistan? Europe has a long history of not taking care of problems in their own neighborhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 January 21, 2005 QuoteI reckon Dubbya used the word 'freedom' more than Mel G in Braveheart. I find it amazing that the liberals hate Bush so much that they can't even bring themselves to agree with him that freedom is a good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #32 January 21, 2005 QuoteUh-huh, just like the way France and Germany are helping out in Iraq and Afghanistan? Uh... Aren't the French involved in Afghanistan? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #33 January 21, 2005 QuoteI find it amazing that the liberals hate Bush so much that they can't even bring themselves to agree with him that freedom is a good thing. Freedom is a good thing, but the people/nation that want it have to fight for it. It cannot be given away. I agree with Bush that we should support it, but by no mean should we invade a country on the simple notion of bringing freedom to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflight 0 #34 January 21, 2005 i hear people talk about freedom all the time... what is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #35 January 21, 2005 Quote...My proficiency in Norwegian is non-existant. That's why you won't see me listening to Norwegian political speeches, and then commenting upon Norwegian politics... By that logic, no one ought to comment on the politics of a nation that does not share their language. That doesn't seem right to me--especially since we frequently exercise our ability to comment upon, and meddle in (by force if need be) the affairs of nations that don't speak English. Since I don't speak Arabic I oughtn't comment on politics in Saudi Arabia? Seems to me that the necessity to comment (and act) upon foreign affairs is independent of language proficiency.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #36 January 21, 2005 QuoteI don't consider BASE jumping to be the standard by which freedom is measured. It's only one of them. But, since it's a criteria that 434 and I share, it's a good place to start building common ground.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #37 January 21, 2005 QuoteTom, I will put together a crew, and Liberate your cliffs! What do you say? I will begin organizing the oppressed jumpers of America to rise up and throw off their chains when you invade. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 January 21, 2005 QuoteI find it amazing that the liberals hate Bush so much that they can't even bring themselves to agree with him that freedom is a good thing. Depends on the version of freedom being tauted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #39 January 21, 2005 QuoteFreedom is a good thing, but the people/nation that want it have to fight for it. It cannot be given away. Agree. Which is why we are training the Iraqiis to do it for themselves, so that they won't continue to need us to do it for them. QuoteI agree with Bush that we should support it, but by no mean should we invade a country on the simple notion of bringing freedom to them. So we should ignore things like genocide, even when we have the power to stop it? Our intervention in Bosnia was wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #40 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuote...My proficiency in Norwegian is non-existant. That's why you won't see me listening to Norwegian political speeches, and then commenting upon Norwegian politics... By that logic, no one ought to comment on the politics of a nation that does not share their language. Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if your proficiency in that language is poor, then your understanding of what is being said is likely to also be poor. And therefore, commenting upon what you think you understand is liable to make you look foolish. Proceed at your own risk... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #41 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI find it amazing that the liberals hate Bush so much that they can't even bring themselves to agree with him that freedom is a good thing. Depends on the version of freedom being tauted. See what I mean? This anti-freedom position looks like a silly argument to me. Any version is better than none. A version that would allow the people to craft their own version is even better. In Iraq, we're allowing them to write their own Constitution - that seems like a pretty good version of freedom to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #42 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't consider BASE jumping to be the standard by which freedom is measured. It's only one of them. But, since it's a criteria that 434 and I share, it's a good place to start building common ground. Well, it's not in the Bill of Rights, but I suppose it falls under "pursuit of happiness". I agree that the Park Service ban is wrong and should be eliminated. However, as general principles of freedom go, BASE jumping is pretty far down the list of things that are really important. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #43 January 21, 2005 QuoteHowever, as general principles of freedom go, BASE jumping is pretty far down the list of things that are really important. :-) I totally agree. I've got a (short) list of things I'd be willing to fight (physically, that is) for, and BASE in the National Parks isn't one of them. Now, if you want to take away my assault rifle...-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #44 January 21, 2005 QuoteI'm saying that if your proficiency in that language is poor, then your understanding of what is being said is likely to also be poor. And therefore, commenting upon what you think you understand is liable to make you look foolish. Proceed at your own risk... Ah, ok. I understand. The thing is that there are professional translations available of most of the underlying news and source material. So, yes, doing your own translations may leave you open to some errors. But reading the news in your own language, then coming here and discussing it (in your 2nd, 3rd, or whatever, language) seems pretty reasonable.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #45 January 21, 2005 Quote "Uh-huh, just like the way France and Germany are helping out in Iraq and Afghanistan? Europe has a long history of not taking care of problems in their own neighborhood. I think you would have been surprised if you did your homework, and find out which countries have supported the war in Afghanistan! QuoteNot what I'm saying. I'm saying that if your proficiency in that language is poor, then your understanding of what is being said is likely to also be poor. And therefore, commenting upon what you think you understand is liable to make you look foolish. Proceed at your own risk... No problem! I have seen worse on TV from an famous President! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck278 0 #46 January 22, 2005 Quote So we should ignore things like genocide, even when we have the power to stop it? Our intervention in Bosnia was wrong? You should investigate a little before you bring such things up. The US under the Bush Administration threatened to veto the UNSC resolutions asking to keep peacekeepers in the area unless US soldiers were granted complete imunity to international crimes. Scary. Steve Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnotherGoodin 0 #47 January 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteI promise to liberate the hole world! I think he meant "I promise to liberate the hole's worm"! It must be a metaphore. ________________________________________ HAHAHAH! IALMAO HAHAHA! Whew I needed that! If life gives you lemons then make lemonade, if not then go thirsty and keep on truckin' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #48 January 22, 2005 The speech sounded like he saw it for the first time as he read it from the prompter. The presentation was stilted, the emphasis on the wrong words, pauses in the wrong places. Worst inaugural speech since Harrison. And there was no content, just platitudes. Other than that, it was fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #49 January 22, 2005 QuoteQuote So we should ignore things like genocide, even when we have the power to stop it? Our intervention in Bosnia was wrong? You should investigate a little before you bring such things up. The US under the Bush Administration threatened to veto the UNSC resolutions asking to keep peacekeepers in the area unless US soldiers were granted complete imunity to international crimes. Scary. You didn't answer the question. All you did was use it as a springboard to bash America. And your characterization is wrong. It's not long we want to be able to commit war crimes and have no accountability for it. U.S. soldiers are accountable to their own courts, and should not be fodder for someone else's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #50 January 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteI find it amazing that the liberals hate Bush so much that they can't even bring themselves to agree with him that freedom is a good thing. Freedom is a good thing, but the people/nation that want it have to fight for it. It cannot be given away. I agree with Bush that we should support it, but by no mean should we invade a country on the simple notion of bringing freedom to them. ...but it's not exactly like they could send an e-mail from within their oppression and say, "Hey y'all! Can ya come help me out?" -but aside from that I agree with what you're saying. Help those who want help...also depends on whom you are asking though...don't ask the oppressor if he wants help, you have to seek out and ask the oppressed, which is a far more difficult (but worthy) task.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
