tmontana 0 #1 January 25, 2005 F**king Bullshit http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=2795880&nav=0RbQV4sd I can't believe I just heard of this and people aren't up in arms. Smokers need to unite. We are a minority of people who's been picked on too fucking long. State needs more money, raise taxes on cigarettes. Health costs too high, blame the smokers. Wife not giving you sex, hmmm well i'm sure if we try hard enough we could find a way to blame smokers for that too. Last i heard poor diet, and lack of exercise are just as harmful to your health as smoking, but could you imagine the outrage if a company fired fat people, people who eat fast food more than once a week, or people who never exercise. COMPLETE BULLSHIT!___________________________________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #2 January 25, 2005 What kind of cheese do you want with your whine? The food/tobacco analogy is faulty. You need food to live, you do not need tobacco. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 January 25, 2005 Quote You need food to live Yes, I need 12 big macs and a large diet coke for lunch to live...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 January 25, 2005 QuoteSmokers need to unite. We are a minority of people who's been picked on too fucking long. To this I'll say "fucking whaaaaaaa"......get over it. As a reformed 6 year 2.5 pack a day smoker, fuck that "minority opression" bullshit. QuoteF**king Bullshit http://www.wlns.com/...880&nav=0RbQV4sd How ever I'll agree with you on this. It's discrimination. What's next, drinkers?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lozza 0 #5 January 25, 2005 Yea this is going a bit too far for the smokers out there..... QuoteWeyco helps employees pay for the cost of quitting Be all good if you wanted to quit. Lozza. Hmmm........ Burger King. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spidermonky 0 #6 January 25, 2005 Smoking and bad food are both unhealthy, but when I sit down at a restaurant and order something healthy while everyone around me eats junk food at least I don't get fat from it. I really prefer clean air. I can't stand walking through a cloud of smoke to get into most buildings. Kill yourself if you want, but try not to stink up my clothes while you do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tmontana 0 #7 January 25, 2005 QuoteKill yourself if you want, but try not to stink up my clothes while you do it. I don't disagree with that, but these people are being fired for smoking on their OWN TIME. not during work.___________________________________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwslut 0 #8 January 25, 2005 QuoteF**king Bullshit http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=2795880&nav=0RbQV4sd I can't believe I just heard of this and people aren't up in arms. Smokers need to unite. We are a minority of people who's been picked on too fucking long. State needs more money, raise taxes on cigarettes. Health costs too high, blame the smokers. Wife not giving you sex, hmmm well i'm sure if we try hard enough we could find a way to blame smokers for that too. Last i heard poor diet, and lack of exercise are just as harmful to your health as smoking, but could you imagine the outrage if a company fired fat people, people who eat fast food more than once a week, or people who never exercise. COMPLETE BULLSHIT! Welcome to the new America.What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #9 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteKill yourself if you want, but try not to stink up my clothes while you do it. I don't disagree with that, but these people are being fired for smoking on their OWN TIME. not during work. Oh my goodness...I'm supporting smokers! I don't think smoking should be allowed in restaurants/bars because secondhand smoke is deadly, however, what someone does in their own house on their own time (as long as it isn't something like insider trading) has nothing to do with the company they work for.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 January 25, 2005 Wow, Like Val' I cann't believe that I'm going to side with smokers on this one. yeap keep it away from me ..... but in the privacy of your own home for gods' sake what the f*** is goin on? Who do these managers think they are? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #11 January 25, 2005 Quote QuoteF**king Bullshit http://www.wlns.com/...880&nav=0RbQV4sd How ever I'll agree with you on this. It's discrimination. What's next, drinkers? How about obesity next? Force people to diet & exercise for their own good by threatening to fire anyone who is fat, it should work out great! Really this is unbelievable, if someone smokes it's none of the company's damned business, I hope the lawyers leave a smouldering crater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #12 January 25, 2005 I suspect and hope that the company involved is fucked over pretty badly in the court room. Smoking sucks ass but descrimination is descrimination. Till there's legislate against smoking, there's no way people should be fired for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #13 January 25, 2005 QuoteReally this is unbelievable, if someone smokes it's none of the company's damned business, I hope the lawyers leave a smouldering crater. It is if: * Smokers spend less hours immersed in their work because they are haffing ciggy breaks. * Smokers smoke is breathed by other company employees. * Smokers stink of smoke around the office. * Smokers have more days off sick each year. * Smokers hang around outside the company offices smoking like a bunch of kids. Lets be honest about this: smoking is a disgusting dangerous habit. Smokers smell really bad. In fact that is an understatement: they stink. Most smokers only do it because they are addicted and simply do not possess the willpower to quit. We do not want our kids smoking. I know this because I finally managed to quit after being addicted for 20 years. The tobacco companies are run and staffed by evil cynical bastards who should all be rounded up in a field and shot. They are no different from heroin pushers and suppliers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwslut 0 #14 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteReally this is unbelievable, if someone smokes it's none of the company's damned business, I hope the lawyers leave a smouldering crater. It is if: * Smokers spend less hours immersed in their work because they are haffing ciggy breaks. * Smokers smoke is breathed by other company employees. * Smokers stink of smoke around the office. * Smokers have more days off sick each year. * Smokers hang around outside the company offices smoking like a bunch of kids. Lets be honest about this: smoking is a disgusting dangerous habit. Smokers smell really bad. In fact that is an understatement: they stink. Most smokers only do it because they are addicted and simply do not possess the willpower to quit. We do not want our kids smoking. I know this because I finally managed to quit after being addicted for 20 years. The tobacco companies are run and staffed by evil cynical bastards who should all be rounded up in a field and shot. They are no different from heroin pushers and suppliers. BURN THE WITCHES, BLASPHEMERS AND COMMUNISTS!!!! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE AND DAMN THEIR MORTAL ANTISOCIAL SOULS!!!!What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #15 January 25, 2005 QuoteBURN THE WITCHES, BLASPHEMERS AND COMMUNISTS!!!! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE AND DAMN THEIR MORTAL ANTISOCIAL SOULS!!!! If they choose to peddle highly addictive cancer causing filth, then yes I guess burning them is probably even better than shooting them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwslut 0 #16 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteBURN THE WITCHES, BLASPHEMERS AND COMMUNISTS!!!! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE AND DAMN THEIR MORTAL ANTISOCIAL SOULS!!!! If they choose to peddle highly addictive cancer causing filth, then yes I guess burning them is probably even better than shooting them Actually, I was talking about the smokers. I see I didn't state that clearly.What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #17 January 25, 2005 QuoteActually, I was talking about the smokers. I see I didn't state that clearly. I wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims. Many millions of them need society to give them a helping hand to quit. I was only able to once all my smoking friends had quit or gone someplace else. It is much easier to quit if there is no temptation. Are you a smoker? If so, maybe you could answer this: If you weren't a smoker, knowing everything you know right now, would you start smoking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Newbie 0 #18 January 25, 2005 God Bless America, land of the free. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites littlestranger 0 #19 January 25, 2005 QuoteMany millions of them need society to give them a helping hand to quit. What is this liberal nonsense? I guess the world owes me living as well. And all this time I thought I was responsible for my personal well being... The bottom line is the company has no business retroactively establishing a policy that affects existing employees. If they want to "ban" smokers from employment they need to do it moving forward and not hire smokers...oh wait isn't that discrimination as well, maybe not, there aren't too many laws on the books protecting smokers to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #20 January 25, 2005 QuoteI wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims - I dont wholey aggree with you there - None smokers are the victims of the smokers passive exhaust - we have little or no choice. The smokers, on the other hand choose to smoke - no one makes them, they aren't really victims of anything other than their own weakness. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #21 January 25, 2005 I agree with you position, but not your rant. While I don't smoke I do respect the rights of others to smoke...As long as they don't affect me. That means that as long as you don't make me smell your smoke, then feel free to blaze away. I do however find that it is funny that people bitch about the cost of health care in this country, but then smoke, drink, and eat junk food. I don't care if you smoke....As long as you don't make me smell it, or make me pay for your health problems cause of it. But it is not an employers place to make that call. They could deny them health insurance, but not employment based on that IMO."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EricTheRed 0 #22 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteI wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims - I dont wholey aggree with you there - None smokers are the victims of the smokers passive exhaust - we have little or no choice. The smokers, on the other hand choose to smoke - no one makes them, they aren't really victims of anything other than their own weakness. Careful, We choose to jump from great heights, certainly one could argue we have a greater health risk and absenteeism (esp on sunny Fridays). I grew up in a country that I believed to be free, I have a fear that it is becoming less so. I have no problem at all with restrictions placed on what you do at work - when I am off the clock, it's my time.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #23 January 25, 2005 QuoteThe smokers, on the other hand choose to smoke - no one makes them, they aren't really victims of anything other than their own weakness. To state that is to discount the addictive properties of nicotine. If cigarettes weren't addictive, how many people do you think would put up with the bad breath, the coughing up shit, the smelling terrible, the having to go outside and stand in the cold and rain for a smoke, the high risk of hear disease and cancer, the increased bronchial illnesses and the spiralling cost? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwslut 0 #24 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteActually, I was talking about the smokers. I see I didn't state that clearly. I wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims. Many millions of them need society to give them a helping hand to quit. I was only able to once all my smoking friends had quit or gone someplace else. It is much easier to quit if there is no temptation. Are you a smoker? If so, maybe you could answer this: If you weren't a smoker, knowing everything you know right now, would you start smoking? I don't smoke and will not start smoking. I also will not go on a witch hunt against those who do because society says it's an OK thing to do at present. I'm glad you quit, but DAMN you are such a typical ex-smoker. This discussion was about an employer mandating it's employees not smoke off the job. Way over the top and society's acceptance of such actions is pretty much a modern adaptation of an age old theme.What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #25 January 25, 2005 Ever hear of the "slipery slope"? QuoteIt is if: * Smokers spend less hours immersed in their work because they are haffing ciggy breaks. * Smokers smoke is breathed by other company employees. * Smokers stink of smoke around the office. * Smokers have more days off sick each year. * Smokers hang around outside the company offices smoking like a bunch of kids. Lets be honest about this: smoking is a disgusting dangerous habit. Smokers smell really bad. In fact that is an understatement: they stink. Most smokers only do it because they are addicted and simply do not possess the willpower to quit. We do not want our kids smoking. Who are they gonna ban next? Drinkers? Fat People? Women? Homosexuals? You could make up arguments for each of those groups and how they negativly affect a companies productivity. Most of it would be untrue, but just the same...... QuoteI know this because I finally managed to quit after being addicted for 20 years. Congrats, I too am a reformed smoker. I would say it was one of the hardest things for me to do. QuoteThe tobacco companies are run and staffed by evil cynical bastards who should all be rounded up in a field and shot. They are no different from heroin pushers and suppliers. Sure they are. They have the law on their side.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. 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crwslut 0 #16 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteBURN THE WITCHES, BLASPHEMERS AND COMMUNISTS!!!! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE AND DAMN THEIR MORTAL ANTISOCIAL SOULS!!!! If they choose to peddle highly addictive cancer causing filth, then yes I guess burning them is probably even better than shooting them Actually, I was talking about the smokers. I see I didn't state that clearly.What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #17 January 25, 2005 QuoteActually, I was talking about the smokers. I see I didn't state that clearly. I wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims. Many millions of them need society to give them a helping hand to quit. I was only able to once all my smoking friends had quit or gone someplace else. It is much easier to quit if there is no temptation. Are you a smoker? If so, maybe you could answer this: If you weren't a smoker, knowing everything you know right now, would you start smoking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #18 January 25, 2005 God Bless America, land of the free. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littlestranger 0 #19 January 25, 2005 QuoteMany millions of them need society to give them a helping hand to quit. What is this liberal nonsense? I guess the world owes me living as well. And all this time I thought I was responsible for my personal well being... The bottom line is the company has no business retroactively establishing a policy that affects existing employees. If they want to "ban" smokers from employment they need to do it moving forward and not hire smokers...oh wait isn't that discrimination as well, maybe not, there aren't too many laws on the books protecting smokers to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #20 January 25, 2005 QuoteI wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims - I dont wholey aggree with you there - None smokers are the victims of the smokers passive exhaust - we have little or no choice. The smokers, on the other hand choose to smoke - no one makes them, they aren't really victims of anything other than their own weakness. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #21 January 25, 2005 I agree with you position, but not your rant. While I don't smoke I do respect the rights of others to smoke...As long as they don't affect me. That means that as long as you don't make me smell your smoke, then feel free to blaze away. I do however find that it is funny that people bitch about the cost of health care in this country, but then smoke, drink, and eat junk food. I don't care if you smoke....As long as you don't make me smell it, or make me pay for your health problems cause of it. But it is not an employers place to make that call. They could deny them health insurance, but not employment based on that IMO."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #22 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteI wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims - I dont wholey aggree with you there - None smokers are the victims of the smokers passive exhaust - we have little or no choice. The smokers, on the other hand choose to smoke - no one makes them, they aren't really victims of anything other than their own weakness. Careful, We choose to jump from great heights, certainly one could argue we have a greater health risk and absenteeism (esp on sunny Fridays). I grew up in a country that I believed to be free, I have a fear that it is becoming less so. I have no problem at all with restrictions placed on what you do at work - when I am off the clock, it's my time.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #23 January 25, 2005 QuoteThe smokers, on the other hand choose to smoke - no one makes them, they aren't really victims of anything other than their own weakness. To state that is to discount the addictive properties of nicotine. If cigarettes weren't addictive, how many people do you think would put up with the bad breath, the coughing up shit, the smelling terrible, the having to go outside and stand in the cold and rain for a smoke, the high risk of hear disease and cancer, the increased bronchial illnesses and the spiralling cost? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwslut 0 #24 January 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteActually, I was talking about the smokers. I see I didn't state that clearly. I wouldn't advocate terminating smokers - they are the victims. Many millions of them need society to give them a helping hand to quit. I was only able to once all my smoking friends had quit or gone someplace else. It is much easier to quit if there is no temptation. Are you a smoker? If so, maybe you could answer this: If you weren't a smoker, knowing everything you know right now, would you start smoking? I don't smoke and will not start smoking. I also will not go on a witch hunt against those who do because society says it's an OK thing to do at present. I'm glad you quit, but DAMN you are such a typical ex-smoker. This discussion was about an employer mandating it's employees not smoke off the job. Way over the top and society's acceptance of such actions is pretty much a modern adaptation of an age old theme.What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #25 January 25, 2005 Ever hear of the "slipery slope"? QuoteIt is if: * Smokers spend less hours immersed in their work because they are haffing ciggy breaks. * Smokers smoke is breathed by other company employees. * Smokers stink of smoke around the office. * Smokers have more days off sick each year. * Smokers hang around outside the company offices smoking like a bunch of kids. Lets be honest about this: smoking is a disgusting dangerous habit. Smokers smell really bad. In fact that is an understatement: they stink. Most smokers only do it because they are addicted and simply do not possess the willpower to quit. We do not want our kids smoking. Who are they gonna ban next? Drinkers? Fat People? Women? Homosexuals? You could make up arguments for each of those groups and how they negativly affect a companies productivity. Most of it would be untrue, but just the same...... QuoteI know this because I finally managed to quit after being addicted for 20 years. Congrats, I too am a reformed smoker. I would say it was one of the hardest things for me to do. QuoteThe tobacco companies are run and staffed by evil cynical bastards who should all be rounded up in a field and shot. They are no different from heroin pushers and suppliers. Sure they are. They have the law on their side.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
