Ron 10 #26 February 4, 2005 Quote the whole thing: Quote"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling. You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #27 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuote the whole thing: Read the whole thread, I already addressed that. plus, I linked the whole article.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #28 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuotescary this guy is a US Marine General.... Nice America bash, but every culture has their extremists. At least he wasn't describing how much fun it would be to slowly saw someone's head off on video, or how cool it would be to drive a car full of explosives into a crowded Iraqi wedding. Our extremists are lame compared to the opposition. So true.... I know alot of marines and it's drilled in their heads since their boot camp that killing is what they do, because it is..... what they do. they're killers and in my opinion, they're all nuts. Fun to drink with but they're fuckin crazy. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #29 February 4, 2005 QuoteI think it was a politically risky thing to say, at the same time, I'm glad he feels that way about the job we have asked him to do for us. As AD stated earlier, he is a Marine. It's his job to do that, and we should probably be glad he is ready to kill if need be. And if he enjoys it, so be it. However, someone of his rank should KNOW BETTER than say things like that in front of cameras. We keep bitching and moaning about Al Jazeehra's reporting, but we keep feeding them sond bites galore. It's 2005, media age, like it or not, everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of public opinion! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #30 February 4, 2005 QuoteRead the whole thread, I already addressed that. No you didn't, you just did the normal America Bash. Quoteplus, I linked the whole article.... And still managed to misquote it....Very Moore of you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 February 4, 2005 QuoteAnd still managed to misquote it....Very Moore of you I copied directly rom the article, gave the link to the whole article for all to read.....so, where did I misquote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 February 4, 2005 QuoteAccording to an audio recording, he said, "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling." He added, "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." here is the same quote from Fox News Ron....here you can find the whole story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146371,00.html See, I have even found it on Fox News, so it must now be true...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #33 February 4, 2005 QuoteSee, I have even found it on Fox News, so it must now be true...... You seem to think I read/watch Fox news... To be honest I watch CNN, read CNN and Yahoo online while at work, read the local paper on my lunch break. I listen to NPR to and from work. So much your your thoughts huh? And from your source: QuoteHis comments were met with laughter and applause from the audience Seems like he knows his audience. Seems like he is a leader and a hero QuoteAmong Marines, Mattis is regarded as a fighting general and an expert in the art of warfare. Among his decorations are the Bronze Star with a combat distinguishing device and a combat action ribbon, awarded for close-quarters fighting. Seems like he is well thought of: Quote"His actions and those of his troops clearly show that he understands the value of proper leadership and the value of human life," Pace said. Hagee called him "one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders." He said the commitment of Marines "helps to provide us the fortitude to take the lives of those who oppress others or threaten this nation's security. This is not something we relish, yet we accept it as a reality in our profession of arms." Hagee said he was confident Mattis would continue to serve with distinction. Seems lik ehe has a good idea, kill the bad guys. But not all are bad guys. QuoteDuring the second war in Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the invasion and also when the unit returned to Iraq for counterinsurgency operations last year. In a letter to his troops before they redeployed to Iraq last March, Mattis warned them of "hard, dangerous work." "The enemy will try to manipulate you into hating all Iraqis," he wrote. "Do not allow the enemy that victory. With strong discipline, solid faith, unwavering alertness, and undiminished chivalry to the innocent, we will carry out this mission." You have a problem with him since he is an American."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #34 February 4, 2005 The subject line of this thread says "Marine general claims it is fun to kill" QuoteQuoteAnd still managed to misquote it....Very Moore of you I copied directly rom the article, gave the link to the whole article for all to read.....so, where did I misquote?-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 February 4, 2005 Totally unprofessional comments and does a shit load of harm as far as foreign relations goes. I'm curious though . . . has he in this particular conflict actually been on the front line and personally done any of the shooting that he's claiming is so "fun"?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think it was a politically risky thing to say, at the same time, I'm glad he feels that way about the job we have asked him to do for us. As AD stated earlier, he is a Marine. It's his job to do that, and we should probably be glad he is ready to kill if need be. And if he enjoys it, so be it. However, someone of his rank should KNOW BETTER than say things like that in front of cameras. We keep bitching and moaning about Al Jazeehra's reporting, but we keep feeding them sond bites galore. It's 2005, media age, like it or not, everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of public opinion! Yep, I'd agree with you there. I guess if he's involved in a firefight with someone who beats up women and surpresses the rights of people to choose their leaders democratically and then hold them responsible, he would get more pleasure out of killing them, than killing a young boy who has a rifle in his hands because if he didn't, the Officer behind him would take his life instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #37 February 4, 2005 maybe being so close to explosions and the like for years on end has a negative effect on ones mental stability eventually (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #38 February 4, 2005 ... I guess if he's involved in a firefight with someone who beats up women and ... Quote When did he learn, this "someone" is beating up women? Did any-/someone tell him before, during or after the firefight? Just would like to know an explanation for such a poor explanation. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #39 February 4, 2005 QuoteI'm curious though . . . has he in this particular conflict actually been on the front line and personally done any of the shooting that he's claiming is so "fun"? Generals don't normally pull triggers. He has "been there and done that" enough to know about what he is saying. QuoteAmong Marines, Mattis is regarded as a fighting general and an expert in the art of warfare. Among his decorations are the Bronze Star with a combat distinguishing device and a combat action ribbon, awarded for close-quarters fighting. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #40 February 4, 2005 Wow. So this dude likes acting like a judge and jury and he enjoys it. So does he just assume all the Muslim men are wife beaters? How does he decide who is a wife beater? And is it now ok for me to go and I don’t know let me think of where in the US we have a stereotype of wife beating…..oh a trailer park with my AK and start shooting them? Just think of how much fun it would be (sarcasm) The Vail witch the redneck bastard is to stupid to understand is a part of Muslim culture. Trust me there are many Muslim women who choose to ware the Vail because it is a part of their religion. You know what I don’t get. Why are you sure they want to be like you? I know many that look at the way woman are treated here as much worst then wearing a Vail. I know you all think your way is the right way maybe it is FOR YOU. I don’t understand why there are many here that try to justify every thing that should not be justified.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #41 February 4, 2005 I don't think that it really matters whether or not the specific enemy that is being fought is guilty of wife beating or anything else. It is a psychological ploy that makes it easier to kill the enemy. Easier to kill someone if you attribute all kinds of nasty behavior to them. I didn't see anywhere that said All Muslims Beat their Wives, Did you? They were specifically talking about the enemies being fought in Afghanistan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #42 February 4, 2005 QuoteAfter quotes like that, I'm thinking his career is about to end. I'm thinking that if I need someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy, he's the man for the job. Here's another nutty military commander: "There is nothing more exhilarating than to have been shot at, and missed." - Winston ChurchillWhat do you want? Commanders who who are kinder and gentler towards the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #43 February 4, 2005 I think it's more along the lines of saying something like this: "I killed a thousand people today. Thank God they were Jews, because they're not worth anything. The fewer of them, the better." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #44 February 4, 2005 QuoteI think it's more along the lines of saying something like this: "I killed a thousand people today. Thank God they were Jews, because they're not worth anything. The fewer of them, the better." That doesn't even come close to being accurate. The two don't even compare. One is specific to a race and the other is specific to a group of people known to be very brutal and demanding of their women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #45 February 4, 2005 I'd much rather he be on our side than theirs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #46 February 4, 2005 They're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #47 February 4, 2005 If all wife beaters were shot at, lots of people in the US and Europe would be dodging bullets... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #48 February 4, 2005 QuoteThey're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. Last time I checked thats not the reason they're in Iraq. You kill someone because they are trying to kill you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #49 February 4, 2005 QuoteThey're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. The Taliban are a group not a race. And that is not why the US is fighting them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #50 February 4, 2005 Hi . . . we're talking about the article, and why THIS GUY enjoys killing them. Never did I say that's why we're fighting the war. That's about oil. 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Ron 10 #39 February 4, 2005 QuoteI'm curious though . . . has he in this particular conflict actually been on the front line and personally done any of the shooting that he's claiming is so "fun"? Generals don't normally pull triggers. He has "been there and done that" enough to know about what he is saying. QuoteAmong Marines, Mattis is regarded as a fighting general and an expert in the art of warfare. Among his decorations are the Bronze Star with a combat distinguishing device and a combat action ribbon, awarded for close-quarters fighting. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #40 February 4, 2005 Wow. So this dude likes acting like a judge and jury and he enjoys it. So does he just assume all the Muslim men are wife beaters? How does he decide who is a wife beater? And is it now ok for me to go and I don’t know let me think of where in the US we have a stereotype of wife beating…..oh a trailer park with my AK and start shooting them? Just think of how much fun it would be (sarcasm) The Vail witch the redneck bastard is to stupid to understand is a part of Muslim culture. Trust me there are many Muslim women who choose to ware the Vail because it is a part of their religion. You know what I don’t get. Why are you sure they want to be like you? I know many that look at the way woman are treated here as much worst then wearing a Vail. I know you all think your way is the right way maybe it is FOR YOU. I don’t understand why there are many here that try to justify every thing that should not be justified.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #41 February 4, 2005 I don't think that it really matters whether or not the specific enemy that is being fought is guilty of wife beating or anything else. It is a psychological ploy that makes it easier to kill the enemy. Easier to kill someone if you attribute all kinds of nasty behavior to them. I didn't see anywhere that said All Muslims Beat their Wives, Did you? They were specifically talking about the enemies being fought in Afghanistan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #42 February 4, 2005 QuoteAfter quotes like that, I'm thinking his career is about to end. I'm thinking that if I need someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy, he's the man for the job. Here's another nutty military commander: "There is nothing more exhilarating than to have been shot at, and missed." - Winston ChurchillWhat do you want? Commanders who who are kinder and gentler towards the enemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #43 February 4, 2005 I think it's more along the lines of saying something like this: "I killed a thousand people today. Thank God they were Jews, because they're not worth anything. The fewer of them, the better." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #44 February 4, 2005 QuoteI think it's more along the lines of saying something like this: "I killed a thousand people today. Thank God they were Jews, because they're not worth anything. The fewer of them, the better." That doesn't even come close to being accurate. The two don't even compare. One is specific to a race and the other is specific to a group of people known to be very brutal and demanding of their women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #45 February 4, 2005 I'd much rather he be on our side than theirs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #46 February 4, 2005 They're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #47 February 4, 2005 If all wife beaters were shot at, lots of people in the US and Europe would be dodging bullets... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #48 February 4, 2005 QuoteThey're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. Last time I checked thats not the reason they're in Iraq. You kill someone because they are trying to kill you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #49 February 4, 2005 QuoteThey're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. The Taliban are a group not a race. And that is not why the US is fighting them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #50 February 4, 2005 Hi . . . we're talking about the article, and why THIS GUY enjoys killing them. Never did I say that's why we're fighting the war. That's about oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
