3am, someone's in the house, sword drawn "WHO THE F ARE YOU!"

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Wasn't there a Movie actor with a drug problem who entered the wrong house and went to bed in the kids room.

Michael Jackson?

I could be wrong, but I think it was Robert Downy, Jr.

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[ryoder 1,590]

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Check your state and local laws on barrel length and overall length, but since its legal in Texas and its good for my needs I bought a Mossberg 500 series.

Since AggieDave brought up state and local laws, I like to bring up some other laws that should be checked: Your state and local laws on what you can and cannot to to an intruder in your home.

There seems to be an assumption in this thread that you automatically have the right to use deadly force. In my state of CO, you are not entitled to use deadly force UNLESS THE INTRUDER ATTEMPTS PHYSICAL ASSAULT.

Simple solution: keep Mr Pepperspray handy along with Mr Colt.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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There seems to be an assumption in this thread that you automatically have the right to use deadly force. In my state of CO, you are not entitled to use deadly force UNLESS THE INTRUDER ATTEMPTS PHYSICAL ASSAULT.

Thank you for stating that. I thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess for many it may not be.

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Since AggieDave brought up state and local laws, I like to bring up some other laws that should be checked: Your state and local laws on what you can and cannot to to an intruder in your home.

There seems to be an assumption in this thread that you automatically have the right to use deadly force. In my state of CO, you are not entitled to use deadly force UNLESS THE INTRUDER ATTEMPTS PHYSICAL ASSAULT.

Simple solution: keep Mr Pepperspray handy along with Mr Colt.

Actually as I understand the "make my day" law in Colorado, if you "fear for your safety" from an intruder, you have the right to use deadly force. I dont think the intruder has to actually attempt physical assult.

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Colorado's "Make My Day" law allows an occupant of a home to use "any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force" against an intruder when the occupant reasonably believes that the intruder "has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant."

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Man, I might have shot that guy! That woulda sucked. I keep a sawwed off 12 guage under my bed and would have grabbed that. If he would have not answered me and I didn't know what he was gonna do, I probably would have blown off his knee caps.

He is lucky you had a sword and not a gun!

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the security system from ADT is only 32 a month... Not bad. What's the cost of a shotgun hehehe

You can get a shotgun for less than a year's worth of ADT security. And it will save your life now, instead of whenever ADT gets around to calling 911, and whenever 911 notifies the police, and whenever the police get around to arriving at your house.

Besides, you can call 911 yourself - why pay someone $32 per month to do that for you? And use the shotgun to protect yourself until police arrive.

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As a general reply on this one make damn
sure you know the state laws on what you
can/can't do and when. Last thing you want
to do is spend 25-life being Bubba's new
biotch because you wasted some scrote who
may have deserved everything you did and
more but quirks of the law disagree with you.

Best advice I can offer if you have to shoot
is shut up other than to say "I was in fear
for my life" in one fashion or another and then
lawyer up. Many people it seems talk their
way into jail.

You might want to read In The Gravest
Extreme, by Massad Ayoob.

Also, try to be as conventional in your
firearms choice as possible to rule out any
issue-confusion from the prosecutor. I'd like
to keep an MP5SD3 with an AN/PVS14 by the
bed to repel boarders with but my relatively
unadorned 12 gauge pump does the job.

And don't ever, ever plant evidence or do the
"shoot em outside and drag em inside" thing.

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I agree with what everyone is saying about the noise of a shotgun. I'd want the security system, not to alarm the police, but to notify me of someone in the house. I'll attack the person, that's fine, I just don't want THEM sneaking up on me!

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I'd want the security system, not to alarm the police, but to notify me of someone in the house.

It still concerns me that he was in and walking around for such an extended time. Did you (like the bachelors in the "It takes a Thief") leave the front door unlocked? Is there a problem with the bolt? Was it a window?
Prevention here.... Not how to respond to the kid, burgler/prowler, potential ner-do-well... If he can't make it IN the house, you don't have to worry about what to do with him there.
The show (as I said), nicely jacked up the security of the house, only to have the owner leave the front door unlocked (I was just running to the store)

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You might want to read In The Gravest Extreme, by Massad Ayoob.

Outstanding advice! I was going to post that, but you beat me to it.

After reading that book, I did a lot of soul-searching about whether I even wanted to consider using a firearm in self-defense. A year ago I took the NRA Personal Protection class. They bring up many, but not all, of the same issues. The class also covers your local state laws, which Ayoob couldn't conveniently do in a small book.

I tell everyone I know that they better read Ayoob's book, then learn the text, (and intention), of their state and local laws. Only then are they prepared to make the decision to use a firearm in self-defense.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Actually as I understand the "make my day" law in Colorado, if you "fear for your safety" from an intruder, you have the right to use deadly force. I dont think the intruder has to actually attempt physical assult.

I took he NRA Personal Protection class last year. The following was from a local police officer who participated as an instructor:

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The "make my day" was was a "feel-good" law. In fact, it really didn't give the citizens permision to do anything they couldn't already do.

Another surprise I got from the class was that CO citizens already have the right to carry loaded firearms in their cars without a CCW.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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I agree with what everyone is saying about the noise of a shotgun. I'd want the security system, not to alarm the police, but to notify me of someone in the house. I'll attack the person, that's fine, I just don't want THEM sneaking up on me!

That noise does not scare everyone.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[slug 1]

Hi Folks

We have now entered in the SC GC circle jerk.

for further info on the subject of CWP, self protection etc do a search in SC. There's a lot of info there.....Already.
As you were

R.I.P.

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the security system from ADT is only 32 a month... Not bad. What's the cost of a shotgun hehehe

You can get a shotgun for less than a year's worth of ADT security. And it will save your life now, instead of whenever ADT gets around to calling 911, and whenever 911 notifies the police, and whenever the police get around to arriving at your house.

Besides, you can call 911 yourself - why pay someone $32 per month to do that for you? And use the shotgun to protect yourself until police arrive.

One big drawback is that the gun requires you to operate it. If the intruder is stealthy, your first first clue he is there might be when you open your eyes to find him standing over your bed with a weapon.

I've long thought the closest thing to an ideal alarm system is a large dog.

Advantages (dog): Combines an alarm system with a personal protection system, in a convenient mobile package. Always "on", or easily activated when in "standby" mode. Contains fairly sophisticated data processor for identifying threats from sight, sound, and smell. Functions even when phone lines and/or power has been cutoff. Also serves as a toy for the kids.

Advantages (alarm system): Never bites the neighbors kid. Never damages carpets or furniture. No vet bills.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Remember that guy last year who killed his neighbor who was on his doorstep yelling him. I'm not even sure if the door was open, but he wasn't charged because of the "Make My Day" law. He said he felt threatened and that was enough to get him off.

Story here
http://www.9news.com/storyfull.aspx?storyid=20786

btw...if the intruder gets past the dog in my house I will use the gun, because that means they mean business.

Fly it like you stole it!

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Besides, you can call 911 yourself - why pay someone $32 per month to do that for you? And use the shotgun to protect yourself until police arrive.

I've got to agree.

When I was growing up we had an alarm system installed in our house and I recall that on more than one occasion that the alarm company told us that if there were an emergency that we were better off calling 911 ourselves as it would be quicker. The alarm company needs to (a) recognize the alert, (b) verify the alert (usually by calling you to see if everything OK) and (c) call 911 and explain that they received an alert, but provide very little information about it. You're better off doing it yourself.

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Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

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Ummmmmmmmm why was this moved? It was in no way shape or form something that was intended to be put in the speakers corner, actually I'd rather delete it than have it put here. WTF?

It was intended to tell a funny story of what happen that night, not a gun debate or anything else. Whatever, steal my thunder and for those who NOW are going to reply to it. I don't care about your gun views, laws, opinions or anything else. That's why I never turned it INTO a debated issue.

Edit to add: I put it in the bonfire so those I knew could read the story about what happen instead of sending out emails to everyone. So can i repost it and say DO NOT REPLY so I can keep it there?

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[Jimbo 0]

Because in our ultra politically correct society we can't have those who don't want to hear about guns hearing about guns. No matter what the spirit of the thread. It's sad, really.

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I agree with what everyone is saying about the noise of a shotgun. I'd want the security system, not to alarm the police, but to notify me of someone in the house. I'll attack the person, that's fine, I just don't want THEM sneaking up on me!

That noise does not scare everyone.

The people that aren't frightened by that-you're
going to need the shotgun chambered for anyway.

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Advantages (dog): Combines an alarm system with a personal protection system, in a convenient mobile package. Always "on", or easily activated when in "standby" mode. Contains fairly sophisticated data processor for identifying threats from sight, sound, and smell. Functions even when phone lines and/or power has been cutoff. Also serves as a toy for the kids.

Another advantage for the dog is when you go out of town and get a pet sitter, people don't know you are gone. Dog is still there, papers and mail have been brought in, plants watered......everything looks normal.

Current dog - German Shepard/Blue Heeler X - 50 lbs with a loud bark
Next dog - Belgian Malinois - 50-60 lbs with a loud bark.

Fly it like you stole it!

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Your cat looks scary...I'd hate to meet that pussy in a dark alley...

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Ummmmmmmmm why was this moved? It was in no way shape or form something that was intended to be put in the speakers corner, actually I'd rather delete it than have it put here. WTF?

It was intended to tell a funny story of what happen that night, not a gun debate or anything else. Whatever, steal my thunder and for those who NOW are going to reply to it. I don't care about your gun views, laws, opinions or anything else. That's why I never turned it INTO a debated issue.

Edit to add: I put it in the bonfire so those I knew could read the story about what happen instead of sending out emails to everyone. So can i repost it and say DO NOT REPLY so I can keep it there?

Sorry if my comments added to it's bump. It was in the Bonfire for 24 hours... I'm just glad that you, your buddies weren't hurt. Hopefully it won't happen agian.
I have no idea about how to get it moved back or any insight on that....

(and I think it should have been moved here just for the evil comments you made re KU!!!!! )

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Your cat looks scary...I'd hate to meet that pussy in a dark alley...

Hey , did anyone else notice that the cat gets the blanket, and not the dog? Pretty clear evidence of which critter is the toughest.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Your cat looks scary...I'd hate to meet that pussy in a dark alley...

Hey , did anyone else notice that the cat gets the blanket, and not the dog? Pretty clear evidence of which critter is the toughest.

Don't let that picture fool you, Fox will chase Mem at the drop of the hat. Mem is a runner and always has an escape plan when Fox is in the same room with him. Plus, Fox will attack Mem if he claws the furniture, now to figure out how to train the next dog to do that.

btw...who do you think really is in charge in this house.

Fly it like you stole it!