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Or as if he believes that he has the power to avoid "crazy people with weapons" whereever he goes. That would be naive... Maybe he's got Superman x-ray vision?
Well i've managed to avoid "Crazy People With Weapons" for just over 30 years now, and to be honest I haven't even been trying.. and I'm pretty sure I dont have x-ray vision..
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>Or as if he believes that he has the power to avoid "crazy people with
> weapons" whereever he goes. That would be naive... Maybe he's got
> Superman x-ray vision?
To paraphrase another poster:
It didn't take you long before you resumed playing your little games with John.
No one has mentioned Superman in this thread. Check the search feature if you don't believe me. So I don't know why you're throwing that in here now.
Hijacking this unrelated thread to vent your anger is not the appropriate way to make your point. If your disagreement is with John, just make your points straight-out, without the silly games.
> weapons" whereever he goes. That would be naive... Maybe he's got
> Superman x-ray vision?
To paraphrase another poster:
It didn't take you long before you resumed playing your little games with John.
No one has mentioned Superman in this thread. Check the search feature if you don't believe me. So I don't know why you're throwing that in here now.
Hijacking this unrelated thread to vent your anger is not the appropriate way to make your point. If your disagreement is with John, just make your points straight-out, without the silly games.
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QuoteWell i've managed to avoid "Crazy People With Weapons" for just over 30 years now, and to be honest I haven't even been trying..
I think that point that people either aren't getting or don't want to admit is that while it's prudent to avoid risky situations where you might be attacked or preyed upon, that sometimes those situations find us. Hell, nobody wants to admit that they're not safe in their daily routine. For example, I seem to recall a situation in a club in Columbus, Ohio not too long ago where a few people lost their lives. Do you think that they went into this club thinking that they might be shot? Better yet, the people injured and killed in the incident that started this thread, who wouldn't feel safe on the steps of the court house? Some people, those usually referred to as the gun-nuts, just think it's better to be prepared when the shit hits the fan. Why would anyone want to deprive them of that?
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QuoteWell i've managed to avoid "Crazy People With Weapons" for just over 30 years now, and to be honest I haven't even been trying..
I think that point that people either aren't getting or don't want to admit is that while it's prudent to avoid risky situations where you might be attacked or preyed upon, that sometimes those situations find us. Hell, nobody wants to admit that they're not safe in their daily routine. For example, I seem to recall a situation in a club in Columbus, Ohio not too long ago where a few people lost their lives. Do you think that they went into this club thinking that they might be shot? Better yet, the people injured and killed in the incident that started this thread, who wouldn't feel safe on the steps of the court house? Some people, those usually referred to as the gun-nuts, just think it's better to be prepared when the shit hits the fan. Why would anyone want to deprive them of that?
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True, but at the end of the day it boils down to culture….
I have lived in the UK for 27 years and recently in Australia for the last 3 years, and in both countries people are just aren’t paranoid about being attacked by deadly force.
Of course you see and read in the news of people being shot stabbed etc but they are the minority, and chances are the situation they found themselves in could have been avoided.
Like I have said before I do not know, or have known a single person who has been in a situation that would have benefited from them being armed. I also do not know or have known a single person that worries about being preyed upon or being the victim of a fatal attack...
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True, but at the end of the day it boils down to culture….
I have lived in the UK for 27 years and recently in Australia for the last 3 years, and in both countries people are just aren’t paranoid about being attacked by deadly force.
Of course you see and read in the news of people being shot stabbed etc but they are the minority, and chances are the situation they found themselves in could have been avoided.
Like I have said before I do not know, or have known a single person who has been in a situation that would have benefited from them being armed. I also do not know or have known a single person that worries about being preyed upon or being the victim of a fatal attack...
I have lived in the Chicago area and worked in the city for 27 years, and ditto for me.
I will be 60 this year. I have avoided paranoid worry of being attacked for my entire life. I'm not about to worry now, despite the fears of Texans or Floridians.
I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun.
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QuoteI cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun.
Likewise, I refuse to live my life in that way. A life lived in fear and all that.
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Yet the point you make is rather moot, since crime and murder do occur in every country in the world.
My family was robbed at gun point at none other than UK!. We felt powerless, and until you don't understand the powerless feeling this situation does involve, you won't understand it.
Simply because you have not witnessed it, does not mean it won't happen. Just like in skydiving, if you have not gotten hurt does not mean you will be immune from an accident, regardless of severity, planing, training etc. The better you are prepared the better chances you have.
Some people also have guns because they like to go to a range, some people like to carry because they feel better protected. No government should tell you how you should protect yourself, your family, your property if you ever need to.
My family was robbed at gun point at none other than UK!. We felt powerless, and until you don't understand the powerless feeling this situation does involve, you won't understand it.
Simply because you have not witnessed it, does not mean it won't happen. Just like in skydiving, if you have not gotten hurt does not mean you will be immune from an accident, regardless of severity, planing, training etc. The better you are prepared the better chances you have.
Some people also have guns because they like to go to a range, some people like to carry because they feel better protected. No government should tell you how you should protect yourself, your family, your property if you ever need to.
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craddock 0
Yet it happens. Do you read the papers? Have you ever turned on the TV? How about the Judges family that was killed in their house. Do you really think they went looking for trouble. They are just not as smart as you though doc?
Jim asked "Some people, those usually referred to as the gun-nuts, just think it's better to be prepared when the shit hits the fan. Why would anyone want to deprive them of that?"
I don't understand myself. Your only answer is because you are so smart you have avoided confrontation. Get a clue, most people avoid also. But what the hell is wrong with having a gun under the seat of my truck for those times when I am on the South Side, Calumet, or down in South St. Louis. I know the chances of me needing it are so slim. I had my truck surrounded once down there though and despise going back, but my job takes me there.
It would sure suck to leave my Wife and unborn child behind because I have to travel to some of the worst areas around and decide to follow the letter of the law.
Jim asked "Some people, those usually referred to as the gun-nuts, just think it's better to be prepared when the shit hits the fan. Why would anyone want to deprive them of that?"
I don't understand myself. Your only answer is because you are so smart you have avoided confrontation. Get a clue, most people avoid also. But what the hell is wrong with having a gun under the seat of my truck for those times when I am on the South Side, Calumet, or down in South St. Louis. I know the chances of me needing it are so slim. I had my truck surrounded once down there though and despise going back, but my job takes me there.
It would sure suck to leave my Wife and unborn child behind because I have to travel to some of the worst areas around and decide to follow the letter of the law.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
Maybe I have a different take on this, but I don't really see this as much support for the anti-gun side of the debate; the primary reason (in this particular case, anyways) being that if he hadn't had access to a firearm, he probably just would have done something else to kill her.
Anyone with enough of a mental problem to do that just would have used a car bomb or some such instead if he didn't have a gun.
Probably not an overly popular view; just the way I see it.
Anyone with enough of a mental problem to do that just would have used a car bomb or some such instead if he didn't have a gun.
Probably not an overly popular view; just the way I see it.
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QuoteQuoteI cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun.
Likewise, I refuse to live my life in that way. A life lived in fear and all that.
No gun owner I know lives in fear if they don't have a gun with them, even if they do normally carry them.
Why do you think that just because someone chooses to carry a gun sometimes that they are so afraid of being with out it?
juanesky 0
This sounds like a cypress debate....fear to jump with one or without one?....Either way, I personally jump.
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This sounds like a cypress debate....
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I was thinking the exact same thing!
In response to Dr. Kallen~
You made it to 60 without ever having experienced extreme violence directed toward you...you are in the majority of the population.
I on the other hand am in that minority, and was 1/2 you age when it occurred.
It was almost 20 years ago and is still with me daily. Not something any sane person would hope for.
My constitutional rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness were infringed upon. Thankfully another constitutional right allowed for me to have
the means available at my disposal to quell that infringement.
It wasn't foreseen or planned for, I didn't 'go out looking' for trouble.
I was able to defend my life and another because a firearm was available, and I was then and still am proficient.
I live in Texas, and have a carry permit...
99.9% of my life I never use it, but there are times when I feel having a firearm on my person is the prudent thing to do.
I pray that the circumstance never again arises in which I'll need to defend mine or another's life. But being a part of that minority that has felt the senseless, extreme violence that IS a part of every day life ~ abet a small part, I understand
perhaps better than you do when MY peers seek the security of self sufficient defense of the inalienably rights guaranteed by THIS nation's constitution
It's not a social issue nor one that should even be up for debate.
The armed citizen is a force that made this country the greatest place to live in the world, beginning with the break form Parliamentary rule only two centuries ago.
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QuoteThe armed citizen is a force that made this country the greatest place to live in the world
Its statements like that make SC the place to be, about 1 minute ago there were about 6 people around my desk almost in tears of laughter.....
Honestly dude that’s is hilarious, and a little bit sad at the same time..
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> But what the hell is wrong with having a gun under the seat of my
>truck for those times when I am on the South Side . . .
Nothing at all. The only time it's a problem is when you start thinking "Thank god I have a gun so I can go to the south side" instead of "I should avoid the south side." Sure, a gun will trump a knife 95 times out of 100 - but using your brain to stay out of the knife's range works more often than that.
Think this never happens? AggieDave told a story a while back about how he was approached by a scary looking guy at an ATM. He was in the best defensive weapon there is - a car (or more likely a truck, knowing AD.) He could have driven away. Instead he showed the would-be assailant his gun. Instead of fleeing, he 'took a stand' because he had a gun.
If you carry a gun as if you will never need it, good for you. If you carry a gun in case you have to 'make a stand' or go into a dangerous area, it's going to do you more harm than good. In situations like that, having it under the seat of your truck just might put you in the hospital (or worse.)
Someone else compared it to a cypres, and that's a good analogy. If you get it and don't change what you do, great. If you get it and think "now I can freefly with the zoomy guy!" then it might just _cause_ the very thing you're trying to avoid.
>truck for those times when I am on the South Side . . .
Nothing at all. The only time it's a problem is when you start thinking "Thank god I have a gun so I can go to the south side" instead of "I should avoid the south side." Sure, a gun will trump a knife 95 times out of 100 - but using your brain to stay out of the knife's range works more often than that.
Think this never happens? AggieDave told a story a while back about how he was approached by a scary looking guy at an ATM. He was in the best defensive weapon there is - a car (or more likely a truck, knowing AD.) He could have driven away. Instead he showed the would-be assailant his gun. Instead of fleeing, he 'took a stand' because he had a gun.
If you carry a gun as if you will never need it, good for you. If you carry a gun in case you have to 'make a stand' or go into a dangerous area, it's going to do you more harm than good. In situations like that, having it under the seat of your truck just might put you in the hospital (or worse.)
Someone else compared it to a cypres, and that's a good analogy. If you get it and don't change what you do, great. If you get it and think "now I can freefly with the zoomy guy!" then it might just _cause_ the very thing you're trying to avoid.
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Its statements like that make SC the place to be,
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It's no wonder the GNP of your COUNTRY amounts to a mere % of the STATE I live in,
with all those people at 'work' standing around.
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I suspected no one would be able to fabricate a reasonable rebuttal to your story above, because it is based on the type of experience you can't understand until you've had it.
And it looks like my suspicions were correct . . .
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Quote. . . about 1 minute ago there were about 6 people around my desk almost in tears of laughter.....
And it looks like my suspicions were correct . . .
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Its statements like that make SC the place to be,Quote
It's no wonder the GNP of your COUNTRY amounts to a mere % of the STATE I live in,
with all those people at 'work' standing around.
Not sure which country you mean by "my country" but anyway..
Population Texas according to 2003 census 22,118,509
Place of birth is UK, population 2003 59,600,000
Place of current residence Australia, population 19,913,144
I would hardly call either of those a "mere %" in fact the population of Texas is a mere 40% of that of the UK....
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Ya know, he is The Professor.
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