Jimbo 0 #51 March 2, 2005 QuoteI have lived in the UK for 27 years and recently in Australia for the last 3 years, and in both countries people are just aren’t paranoid about being attacked by deadly force. Why is being prepared equal, in your opinion, to being paranoid? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #52 March 2, 2005 Quote QuoteI have lived in the UK for 27 years and recently in Australia for the last 3 years, and in both countries people are just aren’t paranoid about being attacked by deadly force. Why is being prepared equal, in your opinion, to being paranoid? - Jim It’s not equal in my opinion. So being the prepared person you are, do you also carry a needle and thread with you, a compass, a survival bag, fishing hook and line, emergency water supply???? Or are you only preparing yourself for a deadly assault on your freedom ??----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #53 March 2, 2005 QuoteSo being the prepared person you are, do you also carry a needle and thread with you, a compass, a survival bag, fishing hook and line, emergency water supply???? Needle and thread isn't nearly as cool as a handgun dude! CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #54 March 2, 2005 Quote I would hardly call either of those a "mere %" in fact the population of Texas is a mere 40% of that of the UK.... Quote My mistake... I was under the impress you would understand what GNP means. ...and that the fact your population is greater yet your GNP lower might be a sad reflection. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #55 March 2, 2005 QuoteOr are you only preparing yourself for a deadly assault on your freedom life ?? I don't understand how a needle and thread would be useful to me, I mean I suppose I could make an emergency repair on a torn shirt. Compass - there's one in my car, a few blankets and a sleeping bag, too. I can't imagine ever being in a situation where I need to catch a fish immediately or even, luckily, need an emergency water supply (though to be honest, there's usually a gallon in my car all the time for one reason or another). Of all the things I mentioned above, none is as useful a tool in defense of violent crime as a readily available weapon. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #56 March 2, 2005 QuoteThink this never happens? AggieDave told a story a while back about how he was approached by a scary looking guy at an ATM. He was in the best defensive weapon there is - a car (or more likely a truck, knowing AD.) He could have driven away. Instead he showed the would-be assailant his gun. Instead of fleeing, he 'took a stand' because he had a gun. *sigh* Bill, We've been through this, you have now greatly presented a glossy liberal version of what really happened. Once again, you weren't there, you don't know what truely happened. More then a few times I tried to explain to you the true situation of the matter, BUT you have once again proven to me that 1. you refuse to listen if it doesn't fit your political agenda and 2. you don't truely care about the truth. You would rather continue to spread lies about what I've discussed before instead of listening to me about what happened. So it would happen, I was there and you were not. Honestly, I'm starting to find this offensive. At some point I really wish you would simply show a little respect for me and understand that as the situation presented its self 1. the course of action was justified, 2. I was acting in complete compliance of Texas law and 3. simply driving away was not an option (unless you consider killing the person by driving over them in my lifted truck would be better then possibly having to fire on them). If you would prefer to have me lay the story out to you in exact detail so you will no longer be untruthful and stop spreading lies then please PM me. Otherwise I formally ask that you quit spreading lies about me and start acting like the honest and ethical adult that I know you try to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #57 March 2, 2005 I've been robbed at knife point, had 1 hot burglary (someone home at the time) and 2 attempted burglaries. Yes, these were all resolved without gunplay, just as most jumps are resolved without pulling the reserve. It's nice to have the back up, though. And when I am carrying a handgun, I'm actually less confrontational in any situation, simply because I feel it's even more my responsibility to avoid conflict. By the way, in the hot burglary, the bad guys left the instant they heard my GF in the bedroom bumping around. She had access to a firearm, and in the U.S. burglars are scared to death of getting shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #58 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuote I would hardly call either of those a "mere %" in fact the population of Texas is a mere 40% of that of the UK.... Quote My mistake... I was under the impress you would understand what GNP means. ...and that the fact your population is greater yet your GNP lower might be a sad reflection. Texas is not a nation, so it can't have a GNP. Unless you meant "Gender neutral pronoun". Be precise in what data you ask for. Assuming you meant Balkanized GNP for the USA, Texas has around $400B, compared with the UK which has around $1050B. Last time I looked, $1050B > $400B All of which is irrelevant, because you can't compare culture or morality on the basis of wealth. If you could, Nixon would be way superior to Ghandi. Here's an alternative comparison: Texas is the second largest state in terms of population, yet it's 36th in higher education participation rate, ranks 29th in percentage of citizens who have attained a bachelor's degree, and ranks 27th in per capita income among the 50 states... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #59 March 2, 2005 QuoteAnd when I am carrying a handgun, I'm actually less confrontational in any situation, simply because I feel it's even more my responsibility to avoid conflict. John, I'm glad that another person understands this fact. Its amazing how having that responsibility will calm many many reactions in bad situations and how an individual will do everything they can to stay out of a situation that would require drawing a weapon.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #60 March 2, 2005 QuoteAssuming you meant Balkanized GNP for the USA, Texas has around $400B, compared with the UK which has around $1050B. Quote My data shows nearly double the stated 400B for Texas... Quote Last time I looked, $1050B > $400B Quote no need to look again... except I wasn't talking about the UK Instead that 'other' breakaway country down under. Quote All of which is irrelevant, because you can't compare culture or morality on the basis of wealth. If you could, Nixon would be way superior to Ghandi. Quote Wasn't aware that I was making a cultural comparison based on wealth... I was making a comparison on freedoms... I was making a JOKE on comparable wealth in regard to an office full of people laughing over a post instead of working. To address the comparative freedoms, In so much as rampaging mad men with assault rifles happen both here and in Austrailia~ ... as a law abiding citizen of this country I can still own one if I wish to....no so the case there. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #61 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteAssuming you meant Balkanized GNP for the USA, Texas has around $400B, compared with the UK which has around $1050B. Quote My data shows nearly double the stated 400B for Texas... Depends how it's calculated. I have Texas data between $400B and $600B, and UK data from $1.2T to $1.7T Most places (including official US reporting) have moved away from GNP and gone to GDP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 March 2, 2005 Quote I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun. And again, you either misunderstand or deliberately misinterpret the situation, or allow your hatred of guns to color your thinking. It is *NOT* about fear...it is about being prepared.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #63 March 2, 2005 QuoteI have a similar wish, but shorter: I don't want to find myself in a situation where some crazy has a weapon. So I don't. I tend to avoid bars, but this was a courthouse downtown...Hard to avoid if you have jury duty, or business there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #64 March 2, 2005 QuoteIt didn't take you long before you resumed playing your little games with John. No one has mentioned Superman in this thread. Check the search feature if you don't believe me. So I don't know why you're throwing that in here now. Hijacking this unrelated thread to vent your anger is not the appropriate way to make your point. If your disagreement is with John, just make your points straight-out, without the silly games. I disagree, John said he avoids crazy people with weapons... How does he do that? Using Superman and Xray vision is a light hearted way to ask that question. I would like to know how John avoids crazy people with weapons? Does he avoid crazy people? How does he know they are crazy? Does he only go to places with Metal Detectors? If so, how does he get to those places? This shooting was in a downtown square near a courthouse. Lots of people there that day had no idea that there was a crazy guy with a gun. How would he, you, or I know?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #65 March 2, 2005 QuoteI cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun. I rarely carry. I tend to avoid places where there could be problems....However I should have the right to protect my self. Please read about the judges family that were murdered in their home. They did not go out looking for trouble....But it found them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #66 March 2, 2005 QuoteIts statements like that make SC the place to be, about 1 minute ago there were about 6 people around my desk almost in tears of laughter..... Then please don't move here...Or visit. Funny, on of your country men is moving here in two weeks.... Why?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #67 March 2, 2005 QuoteSomeone else compared it to a cypres, and that's a good analogy. If you get it and don't change what you do, great. If you get it and think "now I can freefly with the zoomy guy!" then it might just _cause_ the very thing you're trying to avoid. I disagree however. Having a Cypres is something people should be aware of and act accordingly. I would have had at least one cypres fire if not two if I jumped one. That could get expensive not to mention dangerous. If I got one I would surely change a few things, mainly decision altitudes and when to go straight for silver. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #68 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteSomeone else compared it to a cypres, and that's a good analogy. If you get it and don't change what you do, great. If you get it and think "now I can freefly with the zoomy guy!" then it might just _cause_ the very thing you're trying to avoid. I disagree however. Having a Cypres is something people should be aware of and act accordingly. I would have had at least one cypres fire if not two if I jumped one. That could get expensive not to mention dangerous. If I got one I would surely change a few things, mainly decision altitudes and when to go straight for silver. I think the point being made was that many gun owners view the gun in the same way as the cypres (in general) - simply a back up device that they don't plan on using, or change their behavior because they have it. If there is ever a place I didn't feel good about going to w/o a firearm, I wouldn't go there with one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #69 March 2, 2005 Yes I agree and knew where he was coming from.. I just got a bit off topic on the other issue. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #70 March 2, 2005 QuoteI do not know, or have known a single person who has been in a situation that would have benefited from them being armed. Here's how to meet a few of them: The NRA's "Armed Citizen" files: http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/Default.aspx The KABR's "Operation Self Defense" files: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #71 March 2, 2005 QuoteI cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun. I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to skydive in such fear that you daren't jump without a reserve parachute. Isn't it amazing how substituting a different tool and activity in your sentence, totally destroys the validity of your argument? Skydivers who have reserve parachutes do not jump in fear of having a main parachute malfunction. Citizens who own guns do not live in fear of being attacked by criminals. I both cases, they are just prudent measures to take in preparation in case the worst should happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #72 March 2, 2005 QuoteTexas is not a nation, so it can't have a GNP. You're off-track professor. Br0k3n has "Australia" in his profile as his home country. He responded with "UK" because that was what it took to win his argument, but it was a "strawman" substitution introduced after-the-fact. The original premise from Airtwardo was "Texas vs. Australia", based upon the Br0k3n's profile information. Wasn't it you who just said; "Be precise in what data you ask for"? You also have to be precise in what data you read as input, before charging off for statistics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #73 March 2, 2005 QuoteI disagree, John said he avoids crazy people with weapons... How does he do that? Using Superman and Xray vision is a light hearted way to ask that question. Thank you, Ron, for understanding the thrust of my message. You seem to be the only one who "got it". Kallend's post, suggesting that one can be safe by "avoiding crazy people with guns" is also an insult to everyone who has ever been a victim of gun violence. I suppose that all those injured victims were just too stupid to know how to avoid crazy people with guns. It's like telling a rape victim that she "deserved it" for dressing or acting sexy. Perhaps the professor can give us some guidelines on how to do that, since we don't all have x-ray vision, or the medical charts of everyone within several hundred yards of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #74 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to live in such fear that you daren't go out without a gun. I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to skydive in such fear that you daren't jump without a reserve parachute. What a brilliant comparison! I am impressed, JohnRich You only leave your house fully armed, from teeth to tooth? Always expecting the worst? Hometown > Favelas?? Hmm. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #75 March 2, 2005 QuoteWhat a brilliant comparison! I am impressed, JohnRich Actually I think it a good one. People are afraid to go out without a weapon...Maybe. People are afraid to jump without a reserve parachute....Yep, I would say most are. Given the choice, I d rather go unarmed than without a reserve...But I can control the risk level on a voluntary jump.... I can't control a crazy with a gun. I can always choose not to jump, I can't always choose not to not be around crazy people."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
