skydyvr 0 #26 March 2, 2005 QuoteI think it stems from the puritanical fear that somewhere, out there in the world, someone might be having a good time that does not involve a bible in their hands.... THE HORROR. THE HORROR...[/Col Kurtz] Janet "flapjack" Jackson thinks we should have tits at the Superbowl. See any horror there? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #27 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think it stems from the puritanical fear that somewhere, out there in the world, someone might be having a good time that does not involve a bible in their hands.... THE HORROR. THE HORROR...[/Col Kurtz] Janet "flapjack" Jackson thinks we should have tits at the Superbowl. See any horror there? Other than the fact that I would've preferred the boob to be that of Nicole Kidman or Salma Hayek, I found it to be a non-issue... ...until every right wing religious whack-job siezed upon it as a window to legislate most prime-time TV to the level of being about as interesting as an episode of "Barney & Friends..." A boob is not obscene. A priest raping an altar boy is obscene. A couple making love is not obscene. A preacher conning old widows out of their savings by dangling "salvation" in front of them like a leash in front of a chihuahua with one kidney...that's obscene. Religious hypocrites... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #28 March 2, 2005 QuoteI don't personally care either, I just find it hypocritical that Janet -- and people in her camp -- don't respect the rights of people who DO care, especially parents. It was a "surprise attack", and it's just annoying. I definately see your point. I do, however, accept that live TV is just that, and that anything may happen. Meh, in the end it's all spilt milk Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #29 March 2, 2005 Quote...until every right wing religious whack-job siezed upon it as a window to legislate most prime-time TV to the level of being about as interesting as an episode of "Barney & Friends..." You underestimate the nature and magnitute of the body of people who were offended, not just by Janet, but by broadcast TV in general these days. QuoteReligious hypocrites... No argument there, but the people trying to force our society down the road of moral abandon are no less the same. It's the pot/kettle on both sides of the coin. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #30 March 2, 2005 Quote You underestimate the nature and magnitute of the body of people who were offended, not just by Janet, but by broadcast TV in general these days. Change the channel, or don't let your kids watch. Pure capitalism is what should guide TV, not legislated morality. Quote No argument there, but the people trying to force our society down the road of moral abandon are no less the same. It's the pot/kettle on both sides of the coin. "Moral Abandon" is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer "the shedding of repressive religious dogma." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #31 March 2, 2005 QuotePure capitalism is what should guide TV, not legislated morality. Legislated morality is necessary for civilization to exist in a reasonable state; it's only a matter of where the lines are drawn. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #32 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think it stems from the puritanical fear that somewhere, out there in the world, someone might be having a good time that does not involve a bible in their hands.... THE HORROR. THE HORROR...[/Col Kurtz] Janet "flapjack" Jackson thinks we should have tits at the Superbowl. See any horror there? The Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders have tits too. The hypocrisy is pretending tits don't exist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #33 March 2, 2005 QuoteThe Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders have tits too. The hypocrisy is pretending tits don't exist. I doubt very many people pretend they don't exist. Heck, I'll even agree that the religious nutcakes of the world are more obsessed with them than anybody. Welcome back, btw. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #34 March 2, 2005 QuoteYou underestimate the nature and magnitute of the body of people who were offended, not just by Janet, but by broadcast TV in general these days. There is all this talk about those that were offended. How many people here were offended? How many people do you know were grief stricken over the Janet boob thing? I don't know one and I have asked around. People think its a big deal because a few popular, loud mouth talking heads made this into a big deal and the news carried it. Those in DC had to say something because it was an event that everyone in the public had heard about and it was their way to gain political ground with it. (After all, we should teach our children to be horrified by the human body). In the end this is all about political gains and helping someone get re elected because it looks like they are doing something. The public has a terrible memory and come election time the pundits bang their fist and claim they are for morals and not showing boobs in prime time....people then go "oh, ah" nod their head and think "I can't be against morals, only evil people are against morals." Thus they make their votes off of talking points and spin that in reality should insult their intelligence. They are victims of the system. TV doesn't set the moral temperature of this country. You do. The media just gives back to you what you demanded and asked for. Maybe people are just scared to look in the mirror._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #35 March 2, 2005 QuoteThere is all this talk about those that were offended. How many people here were offended?How many people do you know were grief stricken over the Janet boob thing? I don't know one and I have asked around. I was offended for the sake of some of my co-workers young kids. Those parents weren't thrilled with what their kids saw, but it wasn't some sort of major life altering traumatic event. Just another tug at the status quo. QuotePeople think its a big deal because a few popular, loud mouth talking heads made this into a big deal and the news carried it. Those in DC had to say something because it was an event that everyone in the public had heard about and it was their way to gain political ground with it. In the end this is all about political gains and helping someone get re elected because it looks like they are doing something. The public has a terrible memory and come election time the pundits bang their fist and claim they are for morals and not showing boobs in prime time....people then go "oh, ah" nod their head and think "I can't be against morals, only evil people are against morals. Thus they make their votes off of talking points and spin that in reality should insult their intelligence. They are victims of the system. Sure there are are knee-jerk clones on both sides of the issue, but there are also thinking, principled folk on both sides, including those parents that monitor what their kid watches on TV. For many folks, it's not a political issue. QuoteTV doesn't set the moral temperature of this country. You do. The media just gives back to you what you demanded and asked for. Maybe people are just scared to look in the mirror. Maybe, but I think much of entertainment media has a money grubbing focus that drives them to produce extreme programming in hopes of luring the average viewer to their station. And wheras I'll agree the b00b t00b used to be somewhat of an attempted reflection of what people wanted to watch, it has long since taken the lead and began conditioning people into "wanting" to watch what they wish to offer, which gets extremer all the time. Fear Factor Pizza anyone? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #36 March 2, 2005 QuoteAnd wheras I'll agree the b00b t00b used to be somewhat of an attempted reflection of what people wanted to watch, it has long since taken the lead and began conditioning people into "wanting" to watch what they wish to offer, which gets extremer all the time. Fear Factor Pizza anyone? Don't confuse marketing with programming. Seems like good biz to take advantage of a new trend while it is hot. Shows like Fear Factor, Wife Swap, American Idol, and the rest surivive because the audience demands more of the same. If certain parts of the original Surivior had never grabbed the attention of the public we wouldn't be seeing shows like this. Well, at least in the US - these types of shows have been popular outside this country for years. These shows are still on the air because the majority wants them there, thus they set the standards. As I said before, it's a very vocal minority that is making all the waves about what is on TV. Concerned about what your kids watch? Then watch TV with them so you can address things as they happen. Most parents don't have enough time in the day to do that so they use it as a babysitter. What's on TV is a dynamic environment with thousands of ooportunities to see something 'bad.' Be a good partent and control how much they watch and encourage them to read books to expand their imagination and education.....and if you choose otherwise then don't get upset when your kids find out about life via the TV while you are not around._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkc1436 3 #37 March 3, 2005 Quote It's all about mind control. some one else who gets it...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkc1436 3 #38 March 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou have great eyes. I watched that game on a 62" HD TV with Tivo and we couldn't see it. It wasn't until the next day when someone emailed me the blown up pic could I tell what was shown. Don't lose sight of the idea that maybe mom and dad didn't care for the incidence of public exhibitionism to be thrust upon their 5 and 9 year old. Whether or not we could count the hairs around Jackson's nipple at the moment has nothing to do with the whole thing. ok.....what was worse.....a hardly noticable nipple.... or the boner pill ad's that took up most of the advertising which one did you have a (hard) time explaining??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #39 March 3, 2005 Yep, yep, and yep, nicely written observations. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #40 March 3, 2005 QuoteYep, yep, and yep, nicely written observations. HEY! None of that agreement stuff in SC!! At least you could have pointed out all of my typos_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #41 March 3, 2005 QuoteBut I doubt very many kids were "scarred for life". I dunno man, it wasn't a nice one! ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
