What is Good for the US is Bad for the Dems

[rushmc 23]

Surprise surprise

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/5/65606.shtml



Saturday, March 5, 2005 6:54 a.m. EST
Clintonista Admits Dems Rooting for Terrorists

A senior Clinton administration national security official offered a stunning admission this week, confessing during a national television interview that Democrats are secretly rooting for the Bush administration's war of terrorism to fail.

In comments largely overlooked by the mainstream press, former Clinton National Security Council member Nancy Soderberg discussed the recent outbreak of democracy in the Middle East with "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart.

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"As a Democrat, you don't want anything nice to happen to the Republicans, and you don't want them to have progress," Soderberg observed, before quickly adding, "But as an American, you hope good things would happen."
However Soderberg quickly undermined her own caveat, noting: "It's scary for Democrats, I have to say."

After noting that the U.S.'s stunning foreign policy success followed the toppling of one of the three members of the axis of evil, Soderberg suggested again that the more success America has in defeating global terrorism, the worse it is for her party.

"Well, there's still Iran and North Korea, don't forget. There's still hope for the rest of us ... There's always hope that this might not work."

Only OpinionJournal.com, the Washington Times and Rush Limbaugh reported the former Clinton official's outrageous remarks.

Ms. Soderberg appeared on the "Daily Show" to promote her new book: "The Superpower Myth: The Use and Misuse of American Might."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tcnelson 1]

talk about not getting the big picture. you hate to say it...but there is almost no help for people with that kind of mentality. the scary thing is that this person was/is in a position of some power.

i guess the only thing i can do is to hope she gets hit by a bus...just kidding.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[EBSB52 0]

Ya, and he speaks for all Dems, all liberals, etc......

whatever

[TypicalFish 0]

I am a Democrat and a (sort of) liberal, and I SURE AS SHIT do not think this way.

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[rushmc 23]

I have just heard more and more media say thie (along with some talk radio of course) I was just suprised to see the same thoughts come out this way.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[EBSB52 0]

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I have just heard more and more media say thie (along with some talk radio of course) I was just suprised to see the same thoughts come out this way.

Do all conservs think like LImbaugh? Like Strom Thurmond did? Please don't make representative what is an abberation. Fine that you post it, but it seems like you infer ALL Dems buy into this logic whith the title: What is Good for the US is Bad for the Dems

Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes, but not at the expense of lives. Actually I would like to see them start to follow the US Const as they dwell on it at every turn, and quit putting corp profits b4 people.

[kmcguffee 0]

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Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes

There you go. You just supported his point. You want to see the country fail just because it will make the Republicans look bad. Ohhh, as long as no one dies from it.

I have to say, as much as I disliked Clinton, I still wanted us to be successful in Somalia, Kosovo, and Iraq. I still wanted the country to be successful.

The problem is that most of the Dems feel the same way this idiot does. It's why they fight everything that the Republicans try to do whether it is good or not. They would prefer nothing happen rather than something good happen that would make the president look good. It's disheartening.

But don't threaten their patriotism. That's not PC. It's just a different kind of patriotism. W

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[EBSB52 0]

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Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes

There you go. You just supported his point. You want to see the country fail just because it will make the Republicans look bad. Ohhh, as long as no one dies from it.

I have to say, as much as I disliked Clinton, I still wanted us to be successful in Somalia, Kosovo, and Iraq. I still wanted the country to be successful.

The problem is that most of the Dems feel the same way this idiot does. It's why they fight everything that the Republicans try to do whether it is good or not. They would prefer nothing happen rather than something good happen that would make the president look good. It's disheartening.

But don't threaten their patriotism. That's not PC. It's just a different kind of patriotism. W

There you go. You just supported his point

There you go, you just established that you will resort to misquotes to fabricate a flase scenario. My sentence in full was:

Yes, but not at the expense of lives.

You didn't place the, "..." after the, "Yes" which changes the entire message. When you cut-n-paste, pick apart sentences to take them out of context, you must tell the readers you are doing so so they can take that into consideration.

Then I follow with:

Actually I would like to see them start to follow the US Const as they dwell on it at every turn, and quit putting corp profits b4 people.


This more comprehensively explains how I feel about it.

You want to see the country fail just because it will make the Republicans look bad. Ohhh, as long as no one dies from it.

No, actually I wrot etaht I want to Repubs to start to follow the much-touted US Const.

I have to say, as much as I disliked Clinton, I still wanted us to be successful in Somalia, Kosovo, and Iraq. I still wanted the country to be successful.

I never said I wanted the US to defeated militarily.

The problem is that most of the Dems feel the same way this idiot does.

That broad generalization makes a lot sense.

It's why they fight everything that the Republicans try to do whether it is good or not.

No, they fight because it is their innate disposition.

They would prefer nothing happen rather than something good happen that would make the president look good. It's disheartening.


And the Repubs didn't fight Clinton hand over fist?

But don't threaten their patriotism. That's not PC. It's just a different kind of patriotism. W


IS that a W quote? Oh geez, don't let's not break out the W quotes via the Bushisms calemdar.

That's a quote source that would keep a stand-up busy for decades.

[rushmc 23]

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I have just heard more and more media say thie (along with some talk radio of course) I was just suprised to see the same thoughts come out this way.

Do all conservs think like LImbaugh? Like Strom Thurmond did? Please don't make representative what is an abberation. Fine that you post it, but it seems like you infer ALL Dems buy into this logic whith the title: What is Good for the US is Bad for the Dems

Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes, but not at the expense of lives. Actually I would like to see them start to follow the US Const as they dwell on it at every turn, and quit putting corp profits b4 people.

What a statement......".....irks the entire world." I am sure you know that statement is misleading at best. The only countries (that the media cared about) that opposed going into Iraq were going to loose money that was gained working under the table with the UN. And then you speak of corp profits being bad??????

The irony of this part of your post is amazing.

Furthermore

I did not set up the Dems policies or positions, they did. Those in power have addmited, in an iterview, that what Limbaugh and others are saying is correct.

I do not believe that the rank a file of the Democratic party want these positions but those that the Dems have put in power do place the party in this light. I believe that if the Dems leadership is not changed they will loose more and more elections.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kmcguffee 0]

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There you go, you just established that you will resort to misquotes to fabricate a flase scenario. My sentence in full was:

Yes, but not at the expense of lives.

Actually your full quote was:

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Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes, but not at the expense of lives.

Which very clearly says that as long as people don't die from their failings, you would like to see Republicans fail. Which is what I explained in my original post. Maybe you would like to change what you said after thinking it over?

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When you cut-n-paste, pick apart sentences to take them out of context, you must tell the readers you are doing so so they can take that into consideration.

Your original post was there for everyone to easily read. I'm not writing a book from some obscure source. I was replying to a post in a forum with the original post readily available.

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You want to see the country fail just because it will make the Republicans look bad. Ohhh, as long as no one dies from it.

No, actually I wrot etaht I want to Repubs to start to follow the much-touted US Const.

Actually, you also wrote this:

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Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes, but not at the expense of lives.

Which is what I was referring to. See the similarity?

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The problem is that most of the Dems feel the same way this idiot does.

That broad generalization makes a lot sense.

Thank you, I have found it to generally hold true in my experience too.

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It's why they fight everything that the Republicans try to do whether it is good or not.

No, they fight because it is their innate disposition.

As long as no one dies in the process, right?

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But don't threaten their patriotism. That's not PC. It's just a different kind of patriotism. W


IS that a W quote? Oh geez, don't let's not break out the W quotes via the Bushisms calemdar.

Nope, his initials are GWB not W. Don't let's not confuse ourselves.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[rushmc 23]

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Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes

There you go. You just supported his point. You want to see the country fail just because it will make the Republicans look bad. Ohhh, as long as no one dies from it.

I have to say, as much as I disliked Clinton, I still wanted us to be successful in Somalia, Kosovo, and Iraq. I still wanted the country to be successful.

The problem is that most of the Dems feel the same way this idiot does. It's why they fight everything that the Republicans try to do whether it is good or not. They would prefer nothing happen rather than something good happen that would make the president look good. It's disheartening.

But don't threaten their patriotism. That's not PC. It's just a different kind of patriotism. W

There you go. You just supported his point

There you go, you just established that you will resort to misquotes to fabricate a flase scenario. My sentence in full was:

Yes, but not at the expense of lives.

You didn't place the, "..." after the, "Yes" which changes the entire message. When you cut-n-paste, pick apart sentences to take them out of context, you must tell the readers you are doing so so they can take that into consideration.

Then I follow with:

Actually I would like to see them start to follow the US Const as they dwell on it at every turn, and quit putting corp profits b4 people.


This more comprehensively explains how I feel about it.

You want to see the country fail just because it will make the Republicans look bad. Ohhh, as long as no one dies from it.

No, actually I wrot etaht I want to Repubs to start to follow the much-touted US Const.

Like the Senate is doing with Bush's judges More irony............

I have to say, as much as I disliked Clinton, I still wanted us to be successful in Somalia, Kosovo, and Iraq. I still wanted the country to be successful.

I never said I wanted the US to defeated militarily.

The problem is that most of the Dems feel the same way this idiot does.

That broad generalization makes a lot sense.

It's why they fight everything that the Republicans try to do whether it is good or not.

No, they fight because it is their innate disposition.

They would prefer nothing happen rather than something good happen that would make the president look good. It's disheartening.


And the Repubs didn't fight Clinton hand over fist?

But don't threaten their patriotism. That's not PC. It's just a different kind of patriotism. W


IS that a W quote? Oh geez, don't let's not break out the W quotes via the Bushisms calemdar.

That's a quote source that would keep a stand-up busy for decades.

[rushmc 23]

The posts in this thread, to me anyway, just support my belief that the Democratic leadership is "against' any Bush success and do not show they are "for" anything.

Show me an alternative and we can them have a honest debate. Just tear someone or something down for your own purpose and we have nothing to talk about

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,106]

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The posts in this thread, to me anyway, just support my belief that the Democratic leadership is "against' any Bush success and do not show they are "for" anything.

Show me an alternative and we can them have a honest debate. Just tear someone or something down for your own purpose and we have nothing to talk about

It is not at all clear to me that the Democratic leadership represents liberal ideals in the USA, any more than the Bush administration represents conservative ideals (which it clearly doesn't).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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The posts in this thread, to me anyway, just support my belief that the Democratic leadership is "against' any Bush success and do not show they are "for" anything.

Show me an alternative and we can them have a honest debate. Just tear someone or something down for your own purpose and we have nothing to talk about

It is not at all clear to me that the Democratic leadership represents liberal ideals in the USA, any more than the Bush administration represents conservative ideals (which it clearly doesn't).

I agree with the first part of your post but, if you don't know about the libs how can you claim to know about the conservatives and Bush?

I don't always agree him (especially about spending) but the war on terror and SS I am with him. By the way, many must agree with him........he got re-elected by the widest margin in many many years didn't he??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gene03 0]

A reporter is leaving the Democratic convention when he sees a small boy selling some puppies from a cardboard box. In jest he asks the boy if they are Democratic puppies and the boy replies "Sure mister".
The next week after leaving the Republican convention he spots the same boy selling the remainder of the puppies. He asks the boy if they are Republican puppies. The boy again replies "Sure mister".
The reporter says, "Last week you told me they were
Democratic puppies, what gives?"
"This week they have their eyes open."




Myself, I'm a Jeffersonian Populist, an almost extinct and forgotten ideal.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

[rehmwa 2]

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Ya, and he speaks for all Dems, all liberals, etc......

whatever

Yup - simplistic generalizations are incorrect and hurtful. Here's a couple:

All cops are corrupt and bad
All dems are closet communists or closet aristocrats
All republicans put corporate profits before decency
All environmentalists are violent nutjobs

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Ron 10]

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There you go, you just established that you will resort to misquotes to fabricate a flase scenario. My sentence in full was:

Uh, your quote was:

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Do I want to see the Repubs continue failing to run the country in way that irks most of the entire world? Yes, but not at the expense of lives.

So you want the Repubs to fail as long as people odn't die...But it seems pretty clear you want the Repubs to fail.

Short sighted as hell to wish the world hates the US to try and make your party look good.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[wmw999 2,534]

Careful there -- you don't want anyone thinking that some conservatives look at things from both sides
Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rehmwa 2]

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Careful there -- you don't want anyone thinking that some conservatives look at things from both sides
Wendy W.

Hey now, I was making the list of unfair stereotypes - and jabbing at a couple ESBS standard ones just for ironic notice. Can I add your contribution (once for cons, once for libs)?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[wmw999 2,534]

I couldn't agree with your list more.
Personally, I like "liberals can't think logically," and "conservatives are short-sighted."

Of course, I've been known to say the second one , when I'm facing a phalanx of giant single-occupant SUVs with "W" sticker on them.

So maybe "liberals are not always consistent" would be a good generalization

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Yup - simplistic generalizations are incorrect and hurtful. Here's a couple:

All cops are corrupt and bad
All dems are closet communists or closet aristocrats
All republicans put corporate profits before decency
All environmentalists are violent nutjobs"

Engineers are boring.

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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

[wmw999 2,534]

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Engineers are boring.

They only generalize it because they don't want to hurt your feelings

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[TheAnvil 0]

I'm a boring JACKASS?

Give up tequila for Lent and look what happens. Sniff. Sniff. Now I'm boring...

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[TomAiello 26]

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...a phalanx of giant single-occupant SUVs with "W" sticker on them.

I wonder if there is any correlation between vehicle size and political views?

Maybe I'll get a "W" sticker for my MINI...

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[Muenkel 0]

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Of course, I've been known to say the second one , when I'm facing a phalanx of giant single-occupant SUVs with "W" sticker on them.

What does a "W" sticker look like? I don't get to see them around my parts.

Hey Wendy, during the next election cycle; do you want to trade residences?

Chris

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Chris