Abortion (thread split from Canadian hunting thread)

[chuteless 1]

Hey there Steel,...... tell the stories about the inhumane killings to those who commit partial birth abortions. They are the "hit men" hired by people to kill the defenceless children....and that is what they are killing CHILDREN.

Look up on the internet and stop being bothered by some bloody seal pups....help to stop the killingof unborn children....real live children being murdered.

Get your priorities straight.

Bill Cole

[billvon 2,990]

> Hey there Steel . . . .

(as Bill Cole strains mightily at the tiller, sweat breaking out on his brow, desperately trying to swing the ponderous bulk of the USS Speaker's Corner into the deadly Straits of Abortion.)

[Steel 0]

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Hey there Steel,...... tell the stories about the inhumane killings to those who commit partial birth abortions. They are the "hit men" hired by people to kill the defenceless children....and that is what they are killing CHILDREN.

Look up on the internet and stop being bothered by some bloody seal pups....help to stop the killingof unborn children....real live children being murdered.

Get your priorities straight.

Bill Cole

Looks like you misunderstood my reference. The reasoning behing my reference was that people have proven to be so hopless by legalizing abortion that not much better can be expected of them.
In anycase you're arguement seems to be along the lines of don't worry about people stealing $100's of dollars worry about people stealing thousands. I disagree with that as well. If something is wrong it needs to be addressed. It serves no purpose to look at something worse and compare it, so as to make you feel better.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[chuteless 1]

Exactly what are you getting at Billvon....?

I'm not in a sweat...but I don't think its proper to kill children and spend time worrying about killing animals.

Whats your point...or do you have one?

Bill Cole

[DrunkMonkey 0]

So Mr Cole: if "what Constitutionally-protected rights women exercise" is the only issue of relevance to you (other than force-feeding Christianity down Americans' throats like we were Foie Gras geese), why did you waste time stopping to post here?

[billvon 2,990]

> Exactly what are you getting at Billvon....?

That was a metaphor. A metaphor is a figure of speech where a parallel situation/phrase is used to draw a comparison to the original issue. The bible is full of them.

If you would like to talk about abortion, feel free to start your own thread about it. That's what Speaker's Corner is for. A new thread makes more sense than trying to turn other threads into your desired topic.

[chuteless 1]

I dont care the slightest about the "constitutional rights" you claim women exercise....give some of those rights to the unborn children.

As for Christianity, you can take it or leave it...it is your choice....and your peril if you chose wrongly.No one is forcing it down your goose neck.

I can post when and what I like, and if you don't like that...tough.

I don't, and won't support murder of unborn children....and I don't care who likes it whether it be you or women.

Its good you speak French...you will be needing it in a year or two.

Bill Cole

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Actually I don't speak French. Fluent in Spanish, though.

It's apparent the metaphor of Foie Gras geese feeding was lost on you.

You have your one topic that you spend 90% of your postings on.

We get it, you're Christian, and militantly so. The kicker is that no one really cares.

You do however, cause people to care when you advocate the tactic of berating those who are not as rabidly religious as you are...

At times you are seriously lacking in tact...

[pajarito 0]

I'm with you. I think we've got our priorities way out of whack whining and moaning over a bunch of baby seals when shit like this has been going on.

Partial Birth Abortion

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Newsflash:

Those of us who support Roe v. Wade know what the procedures are.

The goal for abortion is to make it safe and rare.

Believe it or not, religious zealotry hurts the Anti-Choice cause.

Some of your zealot bretheren would criminalize the Pill, condoms, Depo-provera, etc....

Why the hell should your dogma affect someone else's body?

What your "God" tells you should not affect others' lives.

[billvon 2,990]

> I don't think its proper to kill children and spend time worrying about killing animals.

Fair enough. I have created your very own thread for discussion of your thought.

[lurch 0]

A shame it'd be an unequal matchup but for a bit there it looked like battle of the memes here. In one corner we have ( ), the most reasonable man in the universe. He's got science. He's got logic. He's got advanced comprehension of physics and probably human psychology. Rationality incarnate. No matter how right you think you are, you can't win an argument with this guy cause he has 48 hour days, half lived at right angles to normal time, during which time he does more homework than a dorm full of science geeks on crack. His message: Go Learn Something Today.

In the other corner we have ( ), the most religious man in the universe. Proud defender of one of the most hardcore viral memes ever to infect the human mind, he is invincibly armored against modern mental hygiene concepts such as logic, rationality, education and objectivity. Packing a bible and a mind closed tighter than security at a Nine Inch Nails show, he seeks to duplicate the success of rabid islamic fundamentalism using the same mindset and his own unique take on interpreting reality. His strategy: Attack all challengers with the book and his memetic interpretation of its applicability to modern society. His message: You Are All Going To Hell Tortured For Eternity Unless You Drop To Your Knees And Obey The Orders Of My God, As Presented In This Book And Interpreted By Me. You will lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

One cannot be defeated by irrationality, having all of modern science and technology on his side.

The other cannot be defeated by rationality, having all of ancient history and ten thousand years of unquestioning obedience on his side.

Stay tuned folks, its going to be a Hell of a match. Just ask ( ). He'll tell you all about it. Endlessly.
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If anyone out there thinks I'm poking fun at these guys you might be on to something. A shame Billvon probably doesn't want to waste time beating a long dead horse arguing with Cole because damn would it be entertaining. We already know logic doesn't work. C'mon Billvon, show us what you got. You two happen to be representative avatars of your respective mindsets which are at this very moment out there in the real world duking it out for control of the future of the human species. Religion Vs Education.
Personally I'd suggest another old weapon been proven effective time and again against fundamentalism: Laughter.
Mr. Cole: So far as I know your beliefs as expressed in these forums can be at least partially summarized as: There is a God. By now, everyone on the planet has heard of him. All are subject to his will and all must obey. His will is in this book. If you believe and obey you are saved and go to heaven. If you do not believe and obey, you go to hell and are tortured eternally.
Correct?
Mr. Cole, why should any of us want to go to this heaven? There's nobody else there except the tiny handful of people who are actually unpleasant enough to fit your definition of "saved".
By your definition 99.9% of all humans who've ever lived are burning in hell right now or will be. I want to go to hell too, because thats where I'll find my friends, my family and all the best and brightest people I've ever known. Fortunately for all of us attending the party later down below, you will not be there because you are going to heaven. You've made that quite clear by implication. Repeatedly. Better bring your bible man you're gonna need reading material when you get there. Hope you don't get too lonely.

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

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[lurch 0]

I dont care the slightest about the "constitutional rights" you claim women exercise

As for Christianity, you can take it or leave it...it is your choice....and your peril if you chose wrongly.

Billvon? How can you maintain your rational steady outlook when there are people out there who are THAT scary in positions of responsibility and power?

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[DrunkMonkey 0]

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I dont care the slightest about the "constitutional rights" you claim women exercise

As for Christianity, you can take it or leave it...it is your choice....and your peril if you chose wrongly.

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Billvon? How can you maintain your rational steady outlook when there are people out there who are THAT scary in positions of responsibility and power?

I wouldn't be too worried. What does Mr Cole control?

I seriously doubt Mr. Cole has any power extending past his well-guarded-from-those-damn-kids lawn.

He's full of sound and fury, accomplishing nothing. [pseudo-paraphrased from Wm. Shakespeare]

[Lindsey 0]

I dont care the slightest about the "constitutional rights" you claim women exercise....

I DO care about my constitutional rights. Thank god there are such protections for me from people who would think it's their right to determine what will or will not happen in regards to my body and my life....

Peace~
linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[kmcguffee 0]

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Thank god there are such protections for me from people who would think it's their right to determine what will or will not happen in regards to my body and my life....

I believe that the father should have some input into the life or death of the unborn child also. The law forces a man to accept responsibility after it is born. Why should he get no input from conception to birth? I would be fairly upset if my wife aborted my child without consulting me first. This isn't just a woman's decision.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[lurch 0]

Its not Mr. Cole himself who scares me. Its the horrific nonnegotiability of the whole mindset. People who are certain they know the will of god frequently open fire in public places with no remorse no mercy and no second thoughts....because god said its ok. Its ok to kill people at abortion clinics, doctors and patients...because they are defying the Will Of God and will be punished.
And the last time people with that mindset got together and acted, they took out the center of New York City. Different religion, same symptoms. All that is lacking is the will...
Scary.

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[nathaniel 0]

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One cannot be defeated by irrationality, having all of modern science and technology on his side.

The other cannot be defeated by rationality, having all of ancient history and ten thousand years of unquestioning obedience on his side.

I don't think that's a fair way of putting it. In Islam and in Christianity both there's strong subcultures of Reason. It's just that they start from premises that are widely divergent from each other, and again widely divergent from the rest of us.

While not all Christians or Muslims are rational....neither are all of them irrational.

nathaniel

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

[Lindsey 0]

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Thank god there are such protections for me from people who would think it's their right to determine what will or will not happen in regards to my body and my life....

I believe that the father should have some input into the life or death of the unborn child also. The law forces a man to accept responsibility after it is born. Why should he get no input from conception to birth? I would be fairly upset if my wife aborted my child without consulting me first. This isn't just a woman's decision.

I certainly don't disagree with what you're saying. It's not a black and white issue by any means. I think that theoretically a father should have some input, but I don't know how much. There are so many caveats involved in this issue, and I don't have the answers to any of them. I, myself, think that abortion is wrong. BUT I don't hold other intelligent adults to my ethical code. I'm not that egocentric.

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[rickjump1 0]

Bill, they are trying to pass a Life at Conception Act in the US.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[lurch 0]

Nathaniel: Perhaps I should have been more specific. Keyword in my post was "Fundamentalist". I've got plenty of friends who believe in god. I have no problem with that. I also don't have a hate-on against any particular religion. I've got friends who are christian, buddhist, muslim, vaguely pagan/wiccan and a bunch who would check the box marked "other".

To quote an old traveller:
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." - Doctor Who

Most people of any race or religion alter their views when they learn new facts. Fundamentalists of most flavors generally don't. They think all the facts that matter are in their little book and everyone who does not believe is the enemy, to be converted. Thats the part I find scary.

Live and learn... or die, and teach by example.

[Zenister 0]

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(as Bill Cole strains mightily at the tiller, sweat breaking out on his brow, desperately trying to swing the ponderous bulk of the USS Speaker's Corner into the deadly Straits of Abortion.)

rotflmao... nice very nice...


nice to see you back as well Chuteless...

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[peregrinerose 0]

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As for Christianity, you can take it or leave it...it is your choice....and your peril if you chose wrongly.No one is forcing it down your goose neck.

Why is it that Christians (and some other religions as well) adamantly tell everyone else they have chosen wrongly and we are in peril because of it. Most of us who are not Christian defend our beliefs, but don't go around telling anyone else they are wrong.

Jen

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[gjhdiver 0]

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Exactly what are you getting at Billvon....?

I'm not in a sweat...but I don't think its proper to kill children and spend time worrying about killing animals.

Whats your point...or do you have one?

Bill Cole

Tell you what Bill. You and your Christian friends give a damn about them once they are actually out of the womb, and then normal people might listen to you.

Until then, please feel free to fulminate uselessly on message boards.