ChasingBlueSky 0 #1 March 22, 2005 I did a quick search and didn't see this posted.....which had me surprised that not one of the gun grabbers or gun nuts posted this. (for the Fox fans as well: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151085,00.html) Student kills 5 at school and grandparents http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/school.shooting/index.html (CNN) -- A student on Monday killed two of his grandparents, then went on a shooting rampage at his Minnesota high school, killing five people and wounding as many as 15 others before killing himself, officials said. FBI Special Agent Paul McCabe told reporters the dead include a female teacher, a male security officer and four Red Lake High School students. "We believe that one of those students is the shooter," McCabe said. The school was evacuated and locked down, he said. "At this time, we believe he was acting alone," McCabe said. He would not comment on a possible motive, saying, "It's far too early in the investigation." The slain students were shot in one room, he said, adding that 14 to 15 other students were wounded. "Apparently, he walked down the hallway shooting and then he entered a classroom, he shot several students and a teacher, then himself," said Roman Stately, with the Red Lake Fire Department, who arrived at the high school moments after the shootings. Authorities discovered about an hour later that the boy had shot and killed his grandmother and grandfather, a veteran of the police force, Stately told KARE-TV. Stately said the boy used his grandfather's police-issued weapon in the school rampage. The shootings occurred about 3 p.m. (4 p.m. ET), in Red Lake High School, a school of 300 student that is on a sovereign Indian reservation within Beltrami County, about 25 miles north of Bemidji, a town of about 25,000 residents, many of them Ojibway Indians, he said. The school is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities, near the Canadian border_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 March 22, 2005 Too bad there weren't any Joel Myricks in this "M" state.. VDZs in action once again. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #3 March 22, 2005 VDZs? What's that? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #4 March 22, 2005 Sorry, that's short hand for "gun free zones." It stands for Victim Disarmament Zones. You could also call them CIZs, or Criminal Invitaion Zones.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #5 March 22, 2005 QuoteToo bad there weren't any Joel Myricks in this "M" state.. VDZs in action once again. You really think this kid cared if guns were allowed in that area or not? Even if they were it would not have saved his grandparents, would it? Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Do you want to authorize guards to open fire on someone in the middle of a crowded, panic filled school hallway? How many lawsuits would come about from the parent that lost their kid to the rent-a-cop or the CCW with a bad shot? Incidents like this is why we have zero tolerance. Incidents like this is why we have metal detectors. I don't always agree with either policy, but they are there for a reason. But I'm sure someone will correct me on why having guns in a school would be a good thing._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 March 22, 2005 QuoteIncidents like this is why we have zero tolerance.. Incidents like this is why we have metal detectors. And this incident, unfortunately, proves once again that *THEY DONT WORK*!!! My prayers are with the families of those lost....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #7 March 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteIncidents like this is why we have zero tolerance.. Incidents like this is why we have metal detectors. And this incident, unfortunately, proves once again that *THEY DONT WORK*!!! My prayers are with the families of those lost.... Maybe I missed it or forgot from reading it yesterday, but did it mention the school had metal detectors?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 March 22, 2005 I'm not sure what could have been done to avoid this tragic incident. The kid took a bunch of guns from his home, shot the security guard on the way into school and then went mad. Something failed somewhere, but I don't think it was gun legislation, or even school security in this instance. Tragic.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #9 March 22, 2005 QuoteBut I'm sure someone will correct me on why having guns in a school would be a good thing. I will. Gun control sucks. If ALL the kids had been armed one of them could've popped a cap in him before this punk blew away five of them. (Before someone asks, yeah i get all my extensive knowledge in this subject matter from shitty second-rate cop/gangster movies) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #10 March 22, 2005 Quote Something failed somewhere, but I don't think it was gun legislation, or even school security in this instance. Tragic. Exactly. Something was wrong somewhere, and it wasn't due to lack of gun control or lack of guns in the school. What caused this kid to get to this point?? That is the real issue here._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #11 March 22, 2005 You can have EVERY law and security protocol in place,and it still wont stop or deter someone intent on murdering others........ My prayers to the families.........Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ladybug 0 #12 March 22, 2005 Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? *** Quote They are already in the schools. We have one in the high school where I teach. I noticed the gun the day the officer came to my classroom and handcuffed one of my students. Another student had told administrators that this particular boy had a loaded gun in his locker and was bragging that he was going to shoot another student after school. They had already found the loaded gun when they arrived in my room. Anyway - I'm glad we had an armed guard on duty that day. Dawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #13 March 22, 2005 Quote Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Quote They are already in the schools. We have one in the high school where I teach. I noticed the gun the day the officer came to my classroom and handcuffed one of my students. Another student had told administrators that this particular boy had a loaded gun in his locker and was bragging that he was going to shoot another student after school. They had already found the loaded gun when they arrived in my room. Anyway - I'm glad we had an armed guard on duty that day. Dawn We had a similar thing happen here in Chicago about a week or two ago....I posted it here in this forum. There were guards on duty, but none of them were armed. The situation was solved by kids informing the teachers. Once again, guns are not the issues here.....but why are our kids getting access to them, why do they feel the need to bring them to school, and what has happened to drive them to mass murder?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 321seeya 0 #14 March 22, 2005 QuoteQuote Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Quote They are already in the schools. We have one in the high school where I teach. I noticed the gun the day the officer came to my classroom and handcuffed one of my students. Another student had told administrators that this particular boy had a loaded gun in his locker and was bragging that he was going to shoot another student after school. They had already found the loaded gun when they arrived in my room. Anyway - I'm glad we had an armed guard on duty that day. Dawn We had a similar thing happen here in Chicago about a week or two ago....I posted it here in this forum. There were guards on duty, but none of them were armed. The situation was solved by kids informing the teachers. Once again, guns are not the issues here.....but why are our kids getting access to them, why do they feel the need to bring them to school, and what has happened to drive them to mass murder? The problem is not our kids having acces to these weapons, It is an issue that starts well beyond that. I have loaded weapons in my home right now, and a 9 year old son that knows how to use them. In fact is is very profiencient with my handgun. The key is to give them enough guidance and disipline to be well rounded kids, and grow up to be well rounded adults. Maybe if so many parents didnt depend on TV's and Video Games to raise thier kids, this wouldnt be an issue at all. When was the last time you read a story about a kid in the 1800's eary 1900's shooting kids in school? (At that time it was common for kids under 13 to routinely use guns) Society as a whole has failed in the rearing of the younger generation. BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,439 #15 March 22, 2005 QuoteThe key is to give them enough guidance and disipline to be well rounded kids, and grow up to be well rounded adults. Kids are sponges that soak up stuff. Since they are also humans, they each come with their own little sponges that determine just how they soak stuff up. What works for one kid won't work for another. And yes, they're unpredictable. When my son was little he wasn't really the exploring type. Which meant that we could take normal precautions with guns. Had he been the "gotta try it" type we would have made different decisions. Whose here never did something stupid as a kid, and who here is willing to risk that their kid won't do something stupid? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #16 March 22, 2005 It's all good. Guns save lives.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #17 March 22, 2005 QuoteDo you want armed guards in schools now as well? I think he wants armed schoolchildren. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #18 March 22, 2005 QuoteYou really think this kid cared if guns were allowed in that area or not? Even if they were it would not have saved his grandparents, would it? Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Do you want to authorize guards to open fire on someone in the middle of a crowded, panic filled school hallway? How many lawsuits would come about from the parent that lost their kid to the rent-a-cop or the CCW with a bad shot? No, I don't want our schools turned into medium security prisons. I don't want metal detectors (outside urban gang-banging areas), I don't want armed guards, and I don't want kids running around with guns. I do want teachers and school staff to be able to protect themselves and our kids when something terrible happens. What do you think would've happened if the teacher in the first room had decided "to hell with the law, not in my classroom," and carried a Glock 19 concealed everyday? We'd be reading about an attempted Columbine, not an almost Columbine. QuoteIncidents like this is why we have zero tolerance. Incidents like this is why we have metal detectors. I don't always agree with either policy, but they are there for a reason. Yeah, because zero tolerance has been a raging success. Also, like I said, I don't want rent-a-cops and magnetometers in every school. (just ask a few state legislators if wand-raping, radio-toting assholes can protect you). QuoteBut I'm sure someone will correct me on why having guns in a school would be a good thing. Ask the parents of Pearl, Mississippi (or is it Perle?) graduates if they think allowing certain guns in school is a good thing.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #19 March 22, 2005 Quote It's all good. Guns save lives. No, you got it backwards. It's all good because we have zero tolerance to keep all the guns out of school and to keep all the bad things form happening. Now let's sing Kumbaya.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #20 March 22, 2005 >Something was wrong somewhere . . .What caused this kid to get to this point?? That was already answered in the first reply to this thread. There aren't enough guns. Once everyone has a gun, gun violence will end. Sort of like our current approach to peace. Once we have enough war, there will be peace everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrunkMonkey 0 #21 March 22, 2005 Quote It's all good. Guns save lives. I have been held up at gunpoint more than once in my life. Once in Chicago, once in Milwaukee. Both cities forbid handguns. Didn't stop the assholes who stuck a pistol in between two of my ribs. I want a goddamn measure of protection. Cops are not omnipresent. Our Fuhrer Daley has a skewed view with his CPD protective detail, and the Aldermen can all carry concealed. Without resorting to ad hominem attacks, tell me why I should not be able to carry at least a Taser to protect myself... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #22 March 22, 2005 Right, because us neandethal gun owners always think all problems can and should be solved with violence. Bo even posted, and no one disagreed, that guns and gun control had little to do with causing this tragedy. The sociological problems are beyond any single post, and likey beyond and single doctoral dissertation. All I can say is that I think lack of personal responsibility in America, mixed with all the other "downward spiral" complaints, along with this kid's particular psychoses and cultural background led to eight dead and many wounded.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #23 March 22, 2005 Quote. Something was wrong somewhere, and it wasn't due to lack of gun control or lack of guns in the school. What caused this kid to get to this point?? That is the real issue here. Just on the News......... The killer was a "native american neo nazi"Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 March 22, 2005 Quote Just on the News......... The killer was a "native american neo nazi" ??? 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ChasingBlueSky 0 #13 March 22, 2005 Quote Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Quote They are already in the schools. We have one in the high school where I teach. I noticed the gun the day the officer came to my classroom and handcuffed one of my students. Another student had told administrators that this particular boy had a loaded gun in his locker and was bragging that he was going to shoot another student after school. They had already found the loaded gun when they arrived in my room. Anyway - I'm glad we had an armed guard on duty that day. Dawn We had a similar thing happen here in Chicago about a week or two ago....I posted it here in this forum. There were guards on duty, but none of them were armed. The situation was solved by kids informing the teachers. Once again, guns are not the issues here.....but why are our kids getting access to them, why do they feel the need to bring them to school, and what has happened to drive them to mass murder?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #14 March 22, 2005 QuoteQuote Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Quote They are already in the schools. We have one in the high school where I teach. I noticed the gun the day the officer came to my classroom and handcuffed one of my students. Another student had told administrators that this particular boy had a loaded gun in his locker and was bragging that he was going to shoot another student after school. They had already found the loaded gun when they arrived in my room. Anyway - I'm glad we had an armed guard on duty that day. Dawn We had a similar thing happen here in Chicago about a week or two ago....I posted it here in this forum. There were guards on duty, but none of them were armed. The situation was solved by kids informing the teachers. Once again, guns are not the issues here.....but why are our kids getting access to them, why do they feel the need to bring them to school, and what has happened to drive them to mass murder? The problem is not our kids having acces to these weapons, It is an issue that starts well beyond that. I have loaded weapons in my home right now, and a 9 year old son that knows how to use them. In fact is is very profiencient with my handgun. The key is to give them enough guidance and disipline to be well rounded kids, and grow up to be well rounded adults. Maybe if so many parents didnt depend on TV's and Video Games to raise thier kids, this wouldnt be an issue at all. When was the last time you read a story about a kid in the 1800's eary 1900's shooting kids in school? (At that time it was common for kids under 13 to routinely use guns) Society as a whole has failed in the rearing of the younger generation. BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #15 March 22, 2005 QuoteThe key is to give them enough guidance and disipline to be well rounded kids, and grow up to be well rounded adults. Kids are sponges that soak up stuff. Since they are also humans, they each come with their own little sponges that determine just how they soak stuff up. What works for one kid won't work for another. And yes, they're unpredictable. When my son was little he wasn't really the exploring type. Which meant that we could take normal precautions with guns. Had he been the "gotta try it" type we would have made different decisions. Whose here never did something stupid as a kid, and who here is willing to risk that their kid won't do something stupid? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #16 March 22, 2005 It's all good. Guns save lives.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #17 March 22, 2005 QuoteDo you want armed guards in schools now as well? I think he wants armed schoolchildren. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #18 March 22, 2005 QuoteYou really think this kid cared if guns were allowed in that area or not? Even if they were it would not have saved his grandparents, would it? Do you want armed guards in schools now as well? Do you want to authorize guards to open fire on someone in the middle of a crowded, panic filled school hallway? How many lawsuits would come about from the parent that lost their kid to the rent-a-cop or the CCW with a bad shot? No, I don't want our schools turned into medium security prisons. I don't want metal detectors (outside urban gang-banging areas), I don't want armed guards, and I don't want kids running around with guns. I do want teachers and school staff to be able to protect themselves and our kids when something terrible happens. What do you think would've happened if the teacher in the first room had decided "to hell with the law, not in my classroom," and carried a Glock 19 concealed everyday? We'd be reading about an attempted Columbine, not an almost Columbine. QuoteIncidents like this is why we have zero tolerance. Incidents like this is why we have metal detectors. I don't always agree with either policy, but they are there for a reason. Yeah, because zero tolerance has been a raging success. Also, like I said, I don't want rent-a-cops and magnetometers in every school. (just ask a few state legislators if wand-raping, radio-toting assholes can protect you). QuoteBut I'm sure someone will correct me on why having guns in a school would be a good thing. Ask the parents of Pearl, Mississippi (or is it Perle?) graduates if they think allowing certain guns in school is a good thing.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #19 March 22, 2005 Quote It's all good. Guns save lives. No, you got it backwards. It's all good because we have zero tolerance to keep all the guns out of school and to keep all the bad things form happening. Now let's sing Kumbaya.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #20 March 22, 2005 >Something was wrong somewhere . . .What caused this kid to get to this point?? That was already answered in the first reply to this thread. There aren't enough guns. Once everyone has a gun, gun violence will end. Sort of like our current approach to peace. Once we have enough war, there will be peace everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #21 March 22, 2005 Quote It's all good. Guns save lives. I have been held up at gunpoint more than once in my life. Once in Chicago, once in Milwaukee. Both cities forbid handguns. Didn't stop the assholes who stuck a pistol in between two of my ribs. I want a goddamn measure of protection. Cops are not omnipresent. Our Fuhrer Daley has a skewed view with his CPD protective detail, and the Aldermen can all carry concealed. Without resorting to ad hominem attacks, tell me why I should not be able to carry at least a Taser to protect myself... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 March 22, 2005 Right, because us neandethal gun owners always think all problems can and should be solved with violence. Bo even posted, and no one disagreed, that guns and gun control had little to do with causing this tragedy. The sociological problems are beyond any single post, and likey beyond and single doctoral dissertation. All I can say is that I think lack of personal responsibility in America, mixed with all the other "downward spiral" complaints, along with this kid's particular psychoses and cultural background led to eight dead and many wounded.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #23 March 22, 2005 Quote. Something was wrong somewhere, and it wasn't due to lack of gun control or lack of guns in the school. What caused this kid to get to this point?? That is the real issue here. Just on the News......... The killer was a "native american neo nazi"Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 March 22, 2005 Quote Just on the News......... The killer was a "native american neo nazi" ??? I am at work and can't get access to that right now, please post your source._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #25 March 22, 2005 No problema www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ChasingBlueSky 0 #24 March 22, 2005 Quote Just on the News......... The killer was a "native american neo nazi" ??? I am at work and can't get access to that right now, please post your source._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #25 March 22, 2005 No problema www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
