Support for the invasion

[justinb138 0]

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so why bother replying my comments and do you speak for more than yourself?

When you base what you say purely on your bitter hatred of the US, I don't give a shit what you think. Start speaking based on the facts, and I might.

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arrogant fucks.

That comment that you made didn't really help your argument.

[jimbarry 0]

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miliary force is not the only way to deal with a problem.

military force is a last resort. SH brought this action on himself.

innocents are always affected by war. that's why it should be a last resort. you act as if it was the objective. you really should read up some.

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so "WHO'S GOT THE BOMB?"

when we use it in any other way than self-protection, it too should be taken away.

Not my problem you can't handle the truth and can only debate with hyperbole.

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hypocrite

I chose rational discourse, you chose personal attacks. Therefore my conversation with you has ended. No big loss, I might add.

[rhys 0]

you said "You need to forget this notion about war being good or bad, legitimate or legal or not. War is typically a bigger party imposing its will on a smaller one. Been around a long time, won't stop for an artificial entity like the UN."

i would like to forget about war but as it is constantly destroyng life on the plannet i think it is an issue that needs to be adressed. the u.n. is at least an attempt to sort things out but countries like the united states fail to do anything other than what they want to do it seems to be a waste of time.

i think you'll find the obesity problem around the world is due to the brainwashing form u.s. companies (mcdonalds, burger king , k.f.c. etc) i eat fast food but i like turkish kebabs etc. these guys don't have the selling power that the big guns have i.e. television advertising. it is not fast food that is the problem it is cheaply made shit food that is dressed up to be good food that is the problem.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

you said "come, come Rhys, surely you cann't slam/invade a whole nation based upon the actions of a few mad men..... ()
Tony"

well actually i have said befor that i do not hate or dislike american people, i have american friends and think americans can be wonderful people. (they can also be very loud and overbearing) your govornment represents your whole country world wide. your govornment seems to be run by uneducated halfwit morons who can't forsee the problems they are about to encounter. you country is going down the drain because of a few people and their own personal greed. now for the civillians of your country to condone the actions of these people by voting this moron back in does not say alot for the intellegence of your people as a whole. although i am sure there are many genius' in the u.s.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[shropshire 0]

Hi Rhy..

sorry my sacasim was aimed at the war mongers..
I meant the ironic part to be that it appeared that you were attacking the whole of the USoA, because of a few, whilst in actual fact they were attaching the Whole of Irag for the actions of 1 man.....
I need to work harder.....

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rhys 0]

you said "When you base what you say purely on your bitter hatred of the US, I don't give a shit what you think. Start speaking based on the facts, and I might."

is it not a fact that the u.s. killed many innocent people from many nations and destroyed huge amounts of infrastructure etc. in order to capture one man?

is it not fact that this man could have been apprehended by not even firing a weapon. had the right strategy been put in place(this by the way is my argument to why the u.s. should have left their guns at home and many families would be living hapily together just now.instead of mourning or not being there at all)

whre are your facts as to why the way the u.s. acted is correct and the best way. it seem the u.s. thinks that military force is the only way

you said "That comment that you made didn't really help your argument."

this was me getting angry, my right. i oppologise if i offended you but it is quite frustrating to me

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[freeflycracker 0]

IMO- Its an uninformed public that is the cause of obesity. I know what MCDonalds is made of, therefore I dont eat it. If you choose to be ignorant about what you eat, then your health deteriorates and you get fat, it's your fault. If can be "brainwashed" by a simple Mcd's ad without getting ACTUAL information, then I dont have any pity on your fat artery clogged self.

Half the country didn't vote to reelect GWB. Given his track record, I find it hard to believe that the first election was by an informed public.

SH might have been a dick. But, the reasons we were given for the invasion were BS. Should he have been removed form power? Probably. I just dont think it should have been the US that did it. Quit globe trotting, spending trillions of dollars(over the few billion GW said it would cost) and worry about THIS country.

[rhys 0]

you said "military force is a last resort. SH brought this action on himself.

innocents are always affected by war. that's why it should be a last resort. you act as if it was the objective. you really should read up some. "

so explain to me how saddam bought this onto himself? i am talking about iraqi civilians bening killed not what he has done. like i said earlier you don't have to kill innocent people to apprehend one person! if he had have been taken without killing all these people then the cahnces of a terrorist attack on the u.s. would now be much smaller. terrorism isn't just bored people wanting somthing to do it is poeple that are so angry that they feel the need to do sopmeting about it. the war on terrorism is a joke it is only feuling the anger that created the terrorists in the first place. those innocents you talk about could be 'you' before long if you let your govornment carry on this way.

you said " when we use it in any other way than self-protection, it too should be taken away.

Not my problem you can't handle the truth and can only debate with hyperbole. "

what about non nuclear weapons. they should be taken away you don't protect you country with those they are used to kill innocent people rather than defence. i would like to see the statistics on that one

you said "I chose rational discourse, you chose personal attacks. Therefore my conversation with you has ended. No big loss, I might add."

well if calling somebody a hypocrite when you think they are is a personal attack then i oppologise. but personally i don't think so.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

i would like to think with all the opposing opinion to mine that somebody could make a positive comment about the invasion. i personally don't think it is possible because the whole thin was a waste of life, time and money.

at least you still get cheap gas right!

warmonging mo' fo's

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[tonyhays 86]

Just one positive comment? That's all? How about the january elections and the Iraqi's ability to vote for a multitude of candidates? I'd say that was a positive to come out of the invasion.

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at least you still get cheap gas right!

If this war was for their oil how come gas prices continue to go up over here?

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“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[rhys 0]

So what Is your Opinion 20 months down the track?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Amazon 7]

I was against it then and I am against it now... It was one of the stupidest things this administration could have done.. and has lost the support of most of the wsorld that we had after 9/11....

It was classic LITTLE HEAD thinking..... macho crap of a group of men to outdo their daddies. TOO bad they do not actually go themselves.... fucking cowards ... they send off others to do their bidding for them...

[rhys 0]

I was considered a TROLL with that opinion a couple of years ago!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[niu 0]

Option 2.

[kallend 2,027]

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I was considered a TROLL with that opinion a couple of years ago!

Only by the stupid readers.

It was a bad idea before we invaded, it was a bad idea when this poll started, and now everyone can see that it was not just a bad idea, it was maybe the worst foreign policy error in 60 years.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I was against it then and I am against it now... It was one of the stupidest things this administration could have done.. and has lost the support of most of the wsorld that we had after 9/11....

It was classic LITTLE HEAD thinking..... macho crap of a group of men to outdo their daddies. TOO bad they do not actually go themselves.... fucking cowards ... they send off others to do their bidding for them...

So Clinton never should have sent troops to Bosnia and Kosovo, then... LBJ and Nixon never should've sent troops to Vietnam, etc.... the fucking cowards!

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[rhys 0]

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So Clinton never should have sent troops to Bosnia and Kosovo, then... LBJ and Nixon never should've sent troops to Vietnam, etc.... the fucking cowards!

Yes, you are correct they never should have.

like I mentioned in 2005 if you solve your problems with fighting then you should book yourself in for an anger management programme. you will just complicate your life and lose your friends if you carry on this way!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kallend 2,027]

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I was against it then and I am against it now... It was one of the stupidest things this administration could have done.. and has lost the support of most of the wsorld that we had after 9/11....

It was classic LITTLE HEAD thinking..... macho crap of a group of men to outdo their daddies. TOO bad they do not actually go themselves.... fucking cowards ... they send off others to do their bidding for them...

So Clinton never should have sent troops to Bosnia and Kosovo, then... LBJ and Nixon never should've sent troops to Vietnam, etc.... the fucking cowards!

You forgot to mention the BJ.

None of the above have caused the same lasting damage on US foreign policy and credibility that the Iraq fiasco has already produced and continues to produce. The Bush doctrine has driven away our allies, made us look foolish and deceitful, and made our military look impotent.

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[Amazon 7]

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So Clinton never should have sent troops to Bosnia and Kosovo, then... LBJ and Nixon never should've sent troops to Vietnam, etc.... the fucking cowards!

If I remember right Clinton did it as part of a larger NATO involvement... and he let the people in charge do the jobs they were trained to do.

LBJ faked up the Gulf of Tonkin because the same people that were clamoring for war... now.. were doing it then.. the same defense contractors who President Eisenhower warned about.. the military-industrial complex.. Vietnam was a cluster fuck from the word go... Kennedy was ready to pull out... probably the real reason he got assasinated... the CIA wanted their nice little ideaological war. What they failed to grasp that MORE than being communists.. Uncle Ho and friends were NATIONALISTS far more than they were communists.. trying to get rid of the French Colonials... and had been promised same by everyone who wanted their help in driving out the Japanese in WWII. LBJ and Nixon backed the wrong players... and 50,000 PLUS Americans DIED over there and thousands more died over there but did not realize it till they got back here.... you see a lot of them on the streets today... the throw away vets of Vietnam.. they are the ones who did not blow their brains out.. or die of cancer from Agent Orange...or have a blank stare on their faces for the rest of their lives .. from being subjected to that war to stop communism in the South East Asian War Games.

It would be interesting to know what the real death toll of Vietnam was....to the Vietnamese it was millions of dead( LBJ's contribution to world peace)... to the Cambodians( Nixons contirbution to world peace).. it was millions of dead... to the Laotians( Kennedy's Contribution).. hundreds of thousands at least.

But I guess you are on board for thousands of Americans dieing needlessly in an optional war that has only helped the enemy in the long run.... how many Iraqis will need to die to quell the blood lust of the chickenhawks who started this.. certainly it will not be them.. or THEIR children dieing there in Iraq...

Too bad we did not STAY THE COURSE in Afghanistan.. and finish the job that Georgieboy and his administration placed such a high priority on after 9/11 to get Bin Laden...gee that didnt work out so well either huh Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri are still pissing on George... Gerogieboy is an incompetent... surrounded by other incomptetents... BUT I bet they dont get blowjobs.

[Skyrad 0]

Funny enough my posistion hasn't changed.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[rushmc 23]

Only by the stupid readers.

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Oh ya
Saw an opening and took it

Contrary to your "stupid" statement I still believe we are doing the right thingt.

But I know that anyone that does not agree with you is "stupid"

I hope you enjoy your holy than thou position on this topic. Sorry you see me as "stupid"

In the end I deleted what I really wanted to say.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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[jcd11235 0]

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I still believe we are doing the right thing.

I would be interested in your justification for that position.



From my perspective:

The WMD threat was bogus.

A significant Iraq / al Qaeda connection didn't exist.

Iraqis are dying today at a rate faster than under Saddam.

There is far less stability in Iraq now than before our invasion.

We have turned Iraq into a terrorist breeding ground, making America and the rest of the world a less safe place.

We have consequently also lost ground in Afghanistan.

Unless we were just pissed that Saddam wasn't killing his citizens quickly enough, I don't see how we can possibly consider the current path to be the "right thing."

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[Amazon 7]

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I would be interested in your justification for that position.

The position is thru the rose colored glasses of the Far Right Wing Talk Radio.....

You know.. the guys who talk a good game daily on talk radio but would never put THEIR boil infested asses on the line.

[Channman 2]

This topic is getting very old, but do not worry skyradster, our dem's will be raising the White flag soon enough and have our troops running for cover as they pull out.

[Channman 2]

> but would never put THEIR boil infested asses on the line.

Much like Progressives as yourself I'm sure.