DrunkMonkey 0 #26 March 29, 2005 Quoteread the subjest line....american not leader. and stonewall jackson was one of the greatest that lived. so he was a confederate, that means... ...It means he was a fucking traitor. I'm glad he was killed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #27 March 29, 2005 Quote I'd have to say FDR. . Under his watch America stood by while their friends were invaded (1939-41) He knew what he should have done but let the polls dissuade him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #28 March 29, 2005 QuoteCharlton Heston No offense to your choice, I am just curious as to your logic..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #29 March 29, 2005 Quote QuoteCharlton Heston No offense to your choice, I am just curious as to your logic... I just love that he's in the same group as MLK. I see the logic but damn it made me laugh!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #30 March 29, 2005 QuoteThat's the grade school history of Lincoln. He actually did a lot of very bad things as well. The war was perpetuated atleast 3 years due to his doing. He was in bed with big business and let them trade arms and goods to the south so that his big business friends gain incredible wealth. That is the tip of the iceberg. I would suggest some indepth reading. I honestly believe that although overall Lincoln did some good and he's remembered well, he's not the president that people think he was. So you're saying he laid the foundation for the Republican Party? JUst as Jefferson did for the Dems - manwhore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #31 March 29, 2005 QuoteInteresting; while I don't think that confederates should be DQ'd, I sure can't think of any I'd include (and neither Patrick Henry nor Stonewall Jackson did anything more than personal stuff that was mostly at the right time in the right place -- they were individuals, not as much leaders). I'd have to say FDR. He wasn't perfect by a long shot, but he really tried to set up programs that would help our country solve the very significant problems of the depression and then WW2. He was trying to address the system as a whole, rathen than simply band-aid solutions that hit on one particular small visible piece. Wendy W. I'm with ya..... and then who's trying to undo the new deal????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #32 March 29, 2005 Ewwww, gross.... tell me ur kiddin I thought it was gonna be Michael Moore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #33 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteLincoln. He preserved the union and in doing so allowed for the creation of the modern United States. Most of what we now take for granted, like a single currency, is a by product of the civil war. Lincoln is also the only executive to submit to a popular election during time of war. He did this and won. We are all better for it. Huh? Quite a few presidents were reelected during war - FDR in 44, Nixon in 72, Bush in 2004. I'm going to submit that American history is sufficiently long now that there isn't going to be a singular choice. The top 10 or 20 aren't distinguishable, and many of them have serious flaws. I think the the founding fathers have to rank pretty high for accomplishing a difficult task, and in doing some created one of the longest standing current governments. I've got to slam Eli Whitney from the list though - his cotton gin is thought to have made slavery profitable enough to continue the practice until the Civil War. Let's not compare a Viet Nam or Iraq War with the likes of WWII or the Civil War. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #34 March 29, 2005 QuoteSo you're saying he laid the foundation for the Republican Party? Do you know the history of the GOP? Its pretty intersting actually...and back then they were the "progressive/liberal" party, wanting to change everything. The Dems were the conservative party. Actually the history of both parties is very very interesting.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #35 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'd have to say FDR. He wasn't perfect by a long shot, but he really tried to set up programs ...... FDR did some great things, but I'd say laying the groundwork for the modern welfare state is the,... What's the word that means the opposite of great? But I'm sure his intentions were good. What's funny is that the US has the fewest social programs out there as compared to most of the rest of the world, yet the conservative approach is to decry thema nd claim we are a Socialist country every time someone mentions a guy like FDR or a food stamp program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #36 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuote I'd have to say FDR. . Under his watch America stood by while their friends were invaded (1939-41) He knew what he should have done but let the polls dissuade him. Amazing.... how can anyone slam the US for their action in WWII? We were golden. I guess you klike the handling of the Iraq war? As for jumoing in at a hearts beat, what if yiour friends ar ethe ones stirring the pot? What if helping your friends means ignoring your country that is in bad shape to fight a meaningless war? Let's see, are we going after China for fucking with Taiwan? Naw, JDumbya's balls aren't that big. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #37 March 29, 2005 And social programs make a country great in your book? Hmmm... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #38 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteCharlton Heston No offense to your choice, I am just curious as to your logic... Becuase he called that guy a "Damned dirty ape" and it was cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #39 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo you're saying he laid the foundation for the Republican Party? Do you know the history of the GOP? Its pretty intersting actually...and back then they were the "progressive/liberal" party, wanting to change everything. The Dems were the conservative party. Actually the history of both parties is very very interesting. Oh I know, ur right. Southern Dems left the Dems in the 60's when LBJ signed some affirmative action-type legislation. The parties have flip-flopped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #40 March 29, 2005 QuoteWhat's funny is that the US has the fewest social programs out there as compared to most of the rest of the world, yet the conservative approach is to decry thema nd claim we are a Socialist country every time someone mentions a guy like FDR or a food stamp program. Yes and your point is? We can't keep up the pyramid scheme known as social security and you want to credit the creator as being great? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #41 March 29, 2005 I cannot think of just one, so I am going to make a list of folks who made a courageous difference: George Washington Thomas Edison James Madison George Washington Carver Lewis and Clark FDR JFK MLK Jr. Rosa Parks Ronald Reagan And here's my current vote: Ashley Smith I'm sure there are many more that I cannot think of off the top of my head. I also want to include Winston Churchill as an honorary great American. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #42 March 29, 2005 I'm honestly surprised no one has said Jessica Simpson. She has made the largest contribution to American history thus far... --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #43 March 29, 2005 ***I'm honestly surprised no one has said Jessica Simpson. She has made the largest contribution to American history thus far...*** One could argue that Brittney Spears has done much more. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #44 March 29, 2005 Ok, so here is my meaningless $0.02...: Clara Barton... ...... I admired what she did and how she did it... Of course there are many men who made a difference in American government...the men who founded this country and carved The Constitution out of hard fought for stone...but like others have said...they are truly too numerous to list...especially since I am half asleep... And I find it particularly funny that people are mentioning Confederates and others are lambasting them for their choice......I think both sides had "heros" in terms of what most people define as heros...but the Civil War didn't produce the Greatest American, in my opinion... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #45 March 29, 2005 Anthony Foss from Philadelphia obtained the first US patent for his accordion, January 13 1854. Accordion music was one of the first steps taken to establish international social and racial links. Accordions provided a link between polka music from the American midwest to the songs of the Mexican mariachi bands. If you listen carefully, polka and mariachi sound a lot alike. Every time someone discusses a candidate, someone else points out a fault. Ok...find some dirt on that guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #46 March 29, 2005 QuoteAnthony Foss from Philadelphia obtained the first US patent for his accordion, January 13 1854. Accordion music was one of the first steps taken to establish international social and racial links. Accordions provided a link between polka music from the American midwest to the songs of the Mexican mariachi bands. If you listen carefully, polka and mariachi sound a lot alike. Every time someone discusses a candidate, someone else points out a fault. Ok...find some dirt on that guy. Dude, I am always guaranteed a laugh from you......I almost died laughing when I read the first half of your post......ROFLAO!!!!!!!!!!!... ~R+R...I vote for happythoughts as best answer so far!!!!...Damn, that's freakin' funny!~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #47 March 29, 2005 Quote Amazing.... how can anyone slam the US for their action in WWII? We were golden. Americans acted virtually to a man with honor and distinction once they entered the fray. However many Poles, Frenchmen, Czecks, Canadians, Austrailians, Kiwis, South Africans, et cetera died for want of their assistance during the period before Pearl Harbour. The official American stance was 'not our problem' until they were attacked. QuoteI guess you klike the handling of the Iraq war? As for jumoing in at a hearts beat, what if yiour friends ar ethe ones stirring the pot? What if helping your friends means ignoring your country that is in bad shape to fight a meaningless war? WWII was not a meaningless war. There was a very clearly defined bad guy. The fact that it was Poles and Frenchmen dying and not Americans was no excuse QuoteLet's see, are we going after China for fucking with Taiwan? Naw, JDumbya's balls aren't that big. The free world may not be able to save Taiwan but you better believe the US will try. GWB was very clear about this and so has congress been over the last thirty years. When the US was attacked four years ago their friends showed up. Canada was not attacked, but our servicemen and women spilled blood in Afghnistan, and are still there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #48 March 29, 2005 See what you miss when you skipped history class to smooch with boys and drink beer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #49 March 29, 2005 And the answer is: Tony The Tiger, a TV personality and company representative whose claim to Grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat ness has never been seriously challenged (the fruity rabbit, flakey Irishman and quispy Martian were mere pretenders, not legitimate contenders). At the very least Tony was the "greatest" when considered along with a bowl of milk, I bet most of the others mentioned didn't even smell very good, let alone taste Grrrrrrrrreat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #50 March 29, 2005 QuoteAnd social programs make a country great in your book? Hmmm... What few we have definately do. If your child needs dialysis for all his/her life, I want taxpayers to pay for it, how about you? See, all these conservatives against social programs change their tune when it comes to them, but fuck everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
