CanuckInUSA 0 #1 April 6, 2005 Colorado Governor, Republican Bill Owens a devote Catholic has decided to ignore the "Separation of Church and State" issues and decided to force his religious and moral beliefs on the Colorado citizens he was elected to serve. The state legislature attempted to pass bill to ensure that all hospitals to inform female rape victims about emergency contraception "the morning after pill". Under House Bill 1042, all health care providers in the state must offer information and referrals on how to get pills that let rape victims avoid pregnancy. The key words here are that the health care officials were to provide "information" to the rape victims. It did not state that the health care officials were required to administer the pill. But Owens under pressure from the Catholic church decided to veto this bill. More on this story can be read here as well as a slightly more out of date version here. Thanks Bill. I'm looking forward to the day when you pass a bill forcing the rest of us to attend Mass on Sundays when some of us clearly believe our time is better spent at the DZ. It just blows my mind that Pro-Lifers like Owens believe that female rape victims (already traumatized from their ordeals) feel that these women should really be kept ignorant as to their medical options available to them after being raped. Who in their right mind thinks that children born through rape is a good moral thing? Why do Christians and Catholics continue to feel that the rest of society must follow their religious and moral beliefs? I don't see Jewish people, Hindus, Buddhists and shit even Muslims going around telling everyone they need to follow their religious and moral beliefs. But the same can not be said of Christians. Oh ... the bible is fiction. Deal with it. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 April 6, 2005 More proof we are helpless unless the govt. gets involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #3 April 6, 2005 HEY! Quit trying to force your atheistic views down Christians throats. Where's the freedom of religion? Why can't you just leave murderous pills out of it?This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 April 6, 2005 QuoteI don't see Jewish people, Hindus, Buddhists and shit even Muslims Might want to rethink that part of the statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 April 6, 2005 Do catholic women hold a funeral every time they have their period? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #6 April 6, 2005 QuoteQuit trying to force your atheistic views down Christians throats. I'm agnostic, not an atheist. Do you know the difference? And what does this issue have to do with freedom of religion? It's not like the bill was forcing healthcare officials to administer the pill. It was just forcing them to inform rape victims of all their medical options instead of keeping people ignorant. Oh but I forgot. The Catholic church has been keeping their followers ignorant for centuries. Why stop now. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 April 6, 2005 QuoteDo catholic women hold a funeral every time they have their period? They might hold your funeral if you get in their way during their period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 April 6, 2005 QuoteThey might hold your funeral if you get in their way during their period. Being married to fine Italian/French Canadian woman, I know how true that is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #9 April 6, 2005 Well, not all Christian religions believe that a child conceived during rape should be born. This sounds like a uniquely Catholic (and maybe just this one Catholic's) view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #10 April 6, 2005 QuoteWell, not all Christian religions believe that a child conceived during rape should be born. This sounds like a uniquely Catholic (and maybe just this one Catholic's) view. I know not all Christians feel this way. I'm just in a squirrelly mood. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #11 April 6, 2005 I'm just tired. I can't seem to wake up. That was my most intelligent thought of the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 April 6, 2005 QuoteOwens under pressure from the Catholic church decided to veto this bill. The Pope who just passed away, was against birth control for women. He was also against abortion, even for rape victims. Furthermore, he was against having women as priests. And everyone seems to think he is some kind of hero... So if Gov. Owens is evil for being against the "morning after" pill, doesn't that make the Pope evil too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #13 April 6, 2005 I respect Pope John Paul II for being a compassionate man towards his fellow humans. But I don't believe in the Catholic church nor it's teachings. I am not against Catholics (or even Christians) if they keep their beliefs and morals to themselves. But I am against them when they try to force their beliefs and morals on society. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #14 April 6, 2005 QuoteColorado Governor, Republican Bill Owens a devote Catholic has decided to ignore the "Separation of Church and State" issues and decided to force his religious and moral beliefs on the Colorado citizens he was elected to serve. Steve, did the Gov. ignore the bill or veto it? The article says he vetoed it. If he has ignored the bill, from what I heard on a radio talk show, the bill could have still passed. For the record, I believe a woman has the right to know all her options.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabr190 0 #15 April 6, 2005 Agreed, maybe the next Pope could spend more time counceling his priests on the moral/spiritual wrongfulnees of molesting altar boys "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #16 April 6, 2005 Setting politics aside for a moment... Do you think that this legislation might encourage false accusations of rape? I'm not making judgements, but it's a question worth considering, and it has little to do with religion."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 April 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteWell, not all Christian religions believe that a child conceived during rape should be born. This sounds like a uniquely Catholic (and maybe just this one Catholic's) view. I know not all Christians feel this way. I'm just in a squirrelly mood. (cough, cough..stereotyping..cough, cough) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #18 April 6, 2005 I know the difference. I'm an antagonistic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 April 6, 2005 QuoteI know the difference. I'm an antagonistic. How many sides does an antagon have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #20 April 6, 2005 No. They can still go to Planned Parenthood and get Plan B . . . this would only require that doctors tell women that Plan B is available. I don't think it'd be free or anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #21 April 6, 2005 Quote did the Gov. ignore the bill or veto it? The article says he vetoed it. If he has ignored the bill, from what I heard on a radio talk show, the bill could have still passed. For the record, I believe a woman has the right to know all her options. He vetoed. I hope the CO congress has enough support to over ride the veto and still get this passed. I know that some medical professionals are actively boycotting these hospitals now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #22 April 6, 2005 Don't try to antagonize me with math. Two plus two equals whatever the hell I want it to equal. I have many sides, and so do I, and so do I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #23 April 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuit trying to force your atheistic views down Christians throats. I'm agnostic, not an atheist. Do you know the difference? And what does this issue have to do with freedom of religion? It's not like the bill was forcing healthcare officials to administer the pill. It was just forcing them to inform rape victims of all their medical options instead of keeping people ignorant. Oh but I forgot. The Catholic church has been keeping their followers ignorant for centuries. Why stop now. Um .... I was being sarcastic .... if you've read any of my posts you'd know i'm vehemently against all religion ... and agnostic myself as well ... i probably should've added a smiley to the end of it....This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #24 April 6, 2005 By vetoing the bill, he was ignoring seperation of church and state.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 April 6, 2005 Reads to me like the govener stopped the government from forcing something not the other way around. Why should a business be forced to do something against beliefs."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites