Good news! Marine cleared in shooting probe!

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I don´t blame them for playing dead. They don´t have much choices, do they?

Yes they did, and they died because of.....

A) They hung with assholes shooting from a mosque
B) They were not smart enough to give up
C) They decided not to be a part of the gov't but to be lawless thugs

You simply ignored the most important reason:

They died because of alien invadors in their own country.
Invadors beeing armed from teeth to tooth. Invadors, which did not even stop entering a mosque with their dirty shoes. Not to talk about killing citizens in their own church.
That's fact.

Facts could be painted as long as you want, the truth behind it still remains the same.

Sorry, no standard U.S. Military bash on this one, Christel.... if they were attacking from the mosque, then it is no longer a place of worship but a place of war...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Sorry, no standard U.S. Military bash on this one, Christel.... if they were attacking from the mosque, then it is no longer a place of worship but a place of war...

Ding! Even the Geneva Convention specifies that once an offensive shot eminates from a protected building, it loses protected status. This is also why C-9s did not have any offesive weaps...

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[Sorry, no standard U.S. Military bash on this one, Christel.... if they were attacking from the mosque, then it is no longer a place of worship but a place of war...

Ding! Even the Geneva Convention specifies that once an offensive shot eminates from a protected building, it loses protected status. This is also why C-9s did not have any offesive weaps...

Guys, haven't you figured out yet that you can never win this debate? No matter what you say, no matter how many facts you provide, the U.S. will always be in the wrong in the eyes of some.

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Sorry, no standard U.S. Military bash on this one, Christel.... if they were attacking from the mosque, then it is no longer a place of worship but a place of war...

[christelsabine 1]

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Sorry, no standard U.S. Military bash on this one, Christel.... if they were attacking from the mosque, then it is no longer a place of worship but a place of war...

I'd just say: They were "defending" from the mosque, right? Other way round, it's not that easy, w/o invadors and stuff... Correct me, if I missed something.

Christel

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Sorry, no standard U.S. Military bash on this one, Christel.... if they were attacking from the mosque, then it is no longer a place of worship but a place of war...

I'd just say: They were "defending" from the mosque, right? Other way round, it's not that easy, w/o invadors and stuff... Correct me, if I missed something.

Christel

Wrong. It lost protected status when it was determined to be a weapons storage dump.

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... says who? Proved who?

Religious sites are protected under the Geneva Conventions. However, the moment a shot is fired from there or the moment the enemy uses it as a safe haven, it becomes fair game according to the rules of war. Read it.

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... says who? Proved who?

Religious sites are protected under the Geneva Conventions. However, the moment a shot is fired from there or the moment the enemy uses it as a safe haven, it becomes fair game according to the rules of war. Read it.

That keeps getting funnier every time I read it. What is this? the 500th time some one has pointed out that little fact? but still the argument rages

[christelsabine 1]

... says who? Proved who?

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... says who? Proved who?

See... Told you

[diverborg 0]

DAMMITT, I just spent an hour reading this entire post, hoping to give my 2 cents at the end, and now everybody is getting along for the most part, and the major debate is over. This sucks I'm going to the bonfire.

[rhino 0]

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Did the Marine shoot the guy at point blank range in the back of the head? Yes

Actually he shot him in the front of the head looking right at him.. He did it like a man instead of some piece of shit coward..

The Marine's actions were justified..

If you don't want to find out first hand why then don't shoot at them from a mosque.

Rhino

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Do we train are marines not to make mistakes under pursuer? Yes

What do you mean WE? Were you a Marine DI?

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The Marine's actions were justified..

I can understand why this Marine shot the Iraqi. Emotions can and do run very high in a stressful environment like war. And I can understand why he wasn't charged. War is not a pretty business and soldiers shouldn't have to second guess themselves worrying about some beurocrat/politician behind a desk making them make fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back (like what they did to the soldiers of Vietnam). But I wouldn't go so far in saying that this dude's actions were justified. He did kill an unarmed and wounded soldier after all. But the last thing US servicemen and women in Iraq need to worry about is being thrown in jail for killing the enemy during a time of war. So I'm kind of sitting on the fence as far as this case is concerned. The Iraqi is dead an nothing we say here in DZ.COM will change that.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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They died because of alien invadors in their own country.
Invadors beeing armed from teeth to tooth. Invadors, which did not even stop entering a mosque with their dirty shoes. Not to talk about killing citizens in their own church.

they are currently there because the freely elected Iraqi gov't wants them there. and

and they died because of.....

A) They hung with assholes shooting from a mosque
B) They were not smart enough to give up
C) They decided not to be a part of the gov't but to be lawless thugs

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they are currently there because the freely elected Iraqi gov't wants them there. and

The iraqui government is far from being freely elected. The U.S has a say about who is ellegible to run Iraq or not. As long as a foreign country is actively involved in the elections, they are not free, let alone if that country is the invasion force.

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and they died because of.....

A) They hung with assholes shooting from a mosque

Those assholes are known to them as freedom fighters and are held in much consideration. As much consideration to them as the american who defends the U.S against an hipotethical attack from Mexico or Canada. The inhability of some american to put themselves in someone else´s shoes is legendary.

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B) They were not smart enough to give up

And those who were ended up being tortured and/or killed in guantanamo bay and abu grahib.

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C) They decided not to be a part of the gov't but to be lawless thugs

thugs regarding to what law?, you mean the U.S law, the one that sais that if you are not american or an allie you have no rights? Or the Iraqui law, the law that has the U.S stamp in every single page?

The most importat thing for a democracy is the mindset of the population, and you will not change that blowing them to bits.

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Those assholes are known to them as freedom fighters and are held in much consideration. As much consideration to them as the american who defends the U.S against an hipotethical attack from Mexico or Canada.

well, I didnt support the invasion, but calling the insurgents "freedom fighters" doesn't hold much water with me.

The Iraqis by & large hate the insurgents. The insurgents are killing way more Iraqi citizens than foreign troops. Do you really believe that Zarqawi has the best interests of Iraq in mind? Why then did he write that letter last year, where he said he wanted basically to promote sectarian violence between Sunni & Shiites Iraqis? When the French resistance fought the Nazi occupation, did they do it by trying to get French people to kill one another?

Even the non-American news sources say that the insurgency is NOT seen as "fighting for Iraq", and that the vast majority of Iraqis are not in favor of the insrugents. The Iraqis are, in fact, frustrated that the insurgency hasn't been put down by now.

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well, I didnt support the invasion, but calling the insurgents "freedom fighters" doesn't hold much water with me.

I agree, they are definitely not fighting for anyones freedom.

Have the insurgents even got a stated objective any more?

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I mostly agree with you. Freedom fighters and terrorists are not the same thing, and i don´t hold any simpathy for terrorists or terrorism. Maybe some freedom fighters are now terrorist, however i am sure that some if not many will still refuse to kill their kind while killing americans.
The fact is that not everybody who tries to kill americans are terrorists. Anyone who tries to kill americans and Iraquis or just anybody for that matter is a terrorist.
For all we know about that marine, he was shooting americans from a mosque, so he doesn´t necesarily have to be a terrorist. There is too many people in this forum who calls anyone terrorists to attempt to legitimate a murder.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7738733/

Military concludes 3 unarmed insurgents were killed in self-defense

Good to go!

Rhino

Good to go where? Hell?

I certainly feel better now a court has absolved these upstanding citizens.

America, when will you learn? you have no idea how to occupy a country, give up now.

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The iraqui government is far from being freely elected.

and I guess you missed the Iraqi's dancing in the street because they were given a vote and a voice on there future.

Of course the UN and spain cut and run like cowards.

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And those who were ended up being tortured and/or killed in guantanamo bay

Names and dates of people tortured and killed at guantanamo bay?

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Or the Iraqui law, the law that has the U.S stamp in every single page?

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The most importat thing for a democracy is the mindset of the population, and you will not change that blowing them to bits.

Funny how the Iraqi's feel different than the left, but they are not looking at politics. They are glad to have a real future and a gov't back by it's people. That is really sad

getting back on topic, it was a good kill, I would have no trouble sleeping if it had been me doing the shooting.

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I certainly feel better now a court has absolved these upstanding citizens.

Good.. run off and play now Bob..

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Those assholes are known to them as freedom fighters and are held in much consideration.

No, no, no... let me clear this misunderstanding up right now. I was talking to an Iraqi, who lives in the U.S. now, but still has family over there. She was explaining to me that the vast majority of Iraqi's support the U.S.

She also explained that the insurgents over their are equivalent to gangs here in the U.S. They survive off criminal activity, selling weapons, drugs, and now hostages. They are not fighting for a cause, they are criminals who have found new 'jobs'.

These people were not 'held in much consideration' prior to the war, and they are liked even less now.

True, the Iraqi's are probably a little tired of us being there. I don't blame them, I likely would be to, but don't think for one second that the average Iraqi citizen is taking the side of the insurgents...

Jeff

Shhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring!

[christelsabine 1]

True, the Iraqi's are probably a little tired of us being there. I don't blame them.............