Keith 0 #1 May 6, 2005 QuoteWhen you have the SAME rights I do. I don't intend to hijack this thread, but I will say he DOES NOT have the same rights as you. edit for thread name ~TAKeith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #2 May 6, 2005 QuoteI don't intend to hijack this thread, but I will say he DOES NOT have the same rights as you. Sure he does...We can both marry women and neither of us can marry a man. SAME"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #3 May 6, 2005 QuoteSure he does...We can both marry women and neither of us can marry a man. Reminds me of the anti-miscegenation argument: "Both the white man and the black man have exactly the same rights: they can both marry women of their own race." By the way, Ron, I'm still waiting for you to explain how you came by authoritative information (in ALL CAPS no less) about my religious beliefs. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #4 May 6, 2005 QuoteReminds me of the anti-miscegenation argument: "Both the white man and the black man have exactly the same rights: they can both marry women of their own race." Don't be pissed at me because your lifestyle was voted down. If fact I could have cared less till you tried to slam your opinions on me and call me the "enemy". Quotehttp://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1293640#1293640 In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are a large part of the problem. You assume anyone that does not agree with you is a homophobe, or a religious zelot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hardly ever use the terms "homophobe" or "religious zealot". However, I'll freely call you (and your kind) the "enemy". Not because you disagree with me, but because you've declared yourself against me (and my kind). You (and your kind) seek out ways to disadvantage me, stop me from gaining what I want (even when it has nothing to do with you) and in extreme cases, your kind does much, much worse. I think "enemy" covers it quite well. Is that better? See more tripe about how people try to keep you down. For those playing along at home.... Quote http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1293650#1293650 The problem is that at times when a person asks a question, or does not agree, the minority group attacks. When that happens the question does not get answered, or the minority tries to make the person feel invalidated like their opinion is bad, or wrong. Many times the minority causes more problems with that tact than they would if they listened. I don't have to agree that gays are OK to agree they deserve the same rights as straight people. But when they attack me, or belittle my thoughts. I'll be damned if I am going to go out of my way to help them. For the record: I don't have a problem with gay couples having the rights that hetero couples have. They should be able to make choices for their partner if they are sick or unable to make choices for themselves. They should be able to share property and have it transfer in the same method as "Normal" couples. I don't see it as a Marriage since "Marriage" is from a church. I have some issues with adoption. And with the anger I get from the "Gay Coalition" on here thats not likely to change soon. I love how you attack people who congratulated you on your marriage:Quote http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=970274#970274You know the rules...No video and it didn't happen. Congrats. Your attitude is the reason that gays have a bad image. Edit...Now if you would like to talk about WAL-MART feel free. If you wish to lament how you have been treated badly by the "enemy"....Talk to the wall, maybe it will care. Hell, if you want you can PM me....Keith and I have had some wonderful conversations via PM...He has class. I would like to meet him someday. My only caveat is that you can't call me "enemy" in the PM's...Other than that have fun."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #5 May 6, 2005 Absolutely nothing you wrote has anything at all to do with my post which you were responding to. I'll repeat it for you if you like: Quote Reminds me of the anti-miscegenation argument: "Both the white man and the black man have exactly the same rights: they can both marry women of their own race." By the way, Ron, I'm still waiting for you to explain how you came by authoritative information (in ALL CAPS no less) about my religious beliefs. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #6 May 6, 2005 Here let me send you this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1631691#1631691 Read the part at the bottom this time"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #7 May 6, 2005 You sure do love to make claims then hide under a rock as soon as they're challenged. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 May 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't intend to hijack this thread, but I will say he DOES NOT have the same rights as you. Sure he does...We can both marry women and neither of us can marry a man. SAME And what if I reword the statement to- "Americans should be able to marry the love of their life.?" Or "Americans should get tax benefits for marrying their SO?" Even the Supreme Court ruled that every American has the right to marry another *person.* No restrictions were applied. Anyway, back to Walmart. If anyone cares about that anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #9 May 6, 2005 Since you love to quote people so much Ron, I thought that I would highlight a few of the gems you have contributed to this forum. QuoteYour attitude is the reason that gays have a bad image. See more tripe about how people try to keep you down. Don't be pissed at me because your lifestyle was voted down. you tried to slam your opinions on me and call me the "enemy". Many times the minority causes more problems with that tact than they would if they listened. I'll be damned if I am going to go out of my way to help them. You do more harm than good when you act like a child. you are clearly a waste of my time. The problem is that at times when a person asks a question, or does not agree, the minority group attacks. You are the reason that gays have an image problem. [sarcasm] Just like you Ron, I've often wondered why those damn minority populations couldn't just shut up and let the majority tell them what is right and what is wrong, and what rights they are entitled to. Minorities being able to vote and be counted as a whole person (instead of only 60 percent of one), women being able to vote (as if we can take the time away from having babies to concentrate on state affairs), equal rights movements, separate but equal... What silly stuff! Why should any American who is gay think they are deserving of equal treatment when clearly they are not! Go George W GO!!![/sarcasm] However... in response to the people who see no problem with Walmart... go do some more research and try watching the movie "The Corporation." By the way.. when people say that Walmart is the embodiment of "evil" or whatever.. I think that what they are trying to say is that corporations that perpetuate the existence of sweatshops are "evil". And since Walmart is one of the larger and less ethical corporations out there, it's easier to just use the catch-all of name of "walmart" instead of listing the hundreds of other corporations that also share a large part of the blame. In my opinion, any company/corporation that sacrifices the humanity of its employees in order to bring home even more profit to a few select capitalist pigs is "evil". -Karen p.s. I don't shop at Walmart. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 May 6, 2005 QuoteYou sure do love to make claims then hide under a rock as soon as they're challenged. Uh...this is not a PM...PM's are those little things under "messages". My "claims" are that you have a victim complex. Anyone that reads your posts will see that. It is evidenced by your contiuned cries of "Second Class Citizen". Go talk to the wall, maybe it will care. Your attitude is the single biggest block to your rights."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 May 6, 2005 QuoteSince you love to quote people so much Ron, I thought that I would highlight a few of the gems you have contributed to this forum Sure lets play: QuoteYour attitude is the reason that gays have a bad image. And quite true. I have a few gay friends. They don't tend to call me "enemy". Keith and I had some very good conversations. Amazing what you can do if you don't act like a victim and insult anyone that disagrees with you. QuoteSee more tripe about how people try to keep you down Which it is. QuoteDon't be pissed at me because your lifestyle was voted down Acurrate since I don't live in WA state. Quoteyou tried to slam your opinions on me and call me the "enemy". FACT. QuoteMany times the minority causes more problems with that tact than they would if they listened Yep, when a minority jumps in my face and starts calling the "enemy", I tend to not give a shit about their cause. When he claims to represent the gay populace he does more harm than good. QuoteI'll be damned if I am going to go out of my way to help them. Why would I go out of my way to help a guy that calls me his "enemy"? That makes no sense. QuoteYou do more harm than good when you act like a child. Any doubt this? Quoteyou are clearly a waste of my time Well he is. QuoteThe problem is that at times when a person asks a question, or does not agree, the minority group attacks. Also a true statement. QuoteYou are the reason that gays have an image problem. Also true...Same could be said for Jessie Jackson. QuoteJust like you Ron, I've often wondered why those damn minority populations couldn't just shut up and let the majority tell them what is right and what is wrong, and what rights they are entitled to. Did I ever say that? Nope, try reading it again. I said I don't like MILITANT folks trying to shove their agenda in my face. Like I said I have gay friends and they don't call me the "enemy"...Wanna be my enemy? Simple call me yours. Want my support? Try asking, not demanding. Since you like to quote me...How about you quote the other stuff: QuoteFor the record: I don't have a problem with gay couples having the rights that hetero couples have. They should be able to make choices for their partner if they are sick or unable to make choices for themselves. They should be able to share property and have it transfer in the same method as "Normal" couples. I don't see it as a Marriage since "Marriage" is from a church. QuoteMinorities being able to vote and be counted as a whole person (instead of only 60 percent of one), women being able to vote (as if we can take the time away from having babies to concentrate on state affairs), equal rights movements, separate but equal... What silly stuff! Why should any American who is gay think they are deserving of equal treatment when clearly they are not! All your babble, none of which I said. QuoteBy the way.. when people say that Walmart is the embodiment of "evil" or whatever.. I think that what they are trying to say is that corporations that perpetuate the existence of sweatshops are "evil". And since Walmart is one of the larger and less ethical corporations out there, it's easier to just use the catch-all of name of "walmart" instead of listing the hundreds of other corporations that also share a large part of the blame. In my opinion, any company/corporation that sacrifices the humanity of its employees in order to bring home even more profit to a few select capitalist pigs is "evil". Go around your house and throw out all the stuff made in China, El Salvador, Sri Lanka, Honduras, Mexico...ect then talk."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #12 May 6, 2005 Well, the good news is I've asked you three times to explain where you got your FACTS about my religious beliefs and three times you've sidestepped even acknowledging the question. Now we know where you get your FACTS. You make them up. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #13 May 6, 2005 You are boring me. Oh, when you appologize for calling me your "enemy" I might *think* about giving a shit about your questions and crying."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #14 May 6, 2005 Is that when you'll admit you make things up, press the caps-lock key, and then type "FACT"? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #15 May 6, 2005 Well if you are Muslim then you know the Qur'an right? 023.005: "Who abstain from sex, Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy" OK, you could claim that one was the "wife or a slave" 023.026: "Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure and women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity: these are not affected by what people say: for them there is forgiveness, and a provision honourable" Nothing about men and men. And my favorite 053.045 AN-NAJM : "That He did create in pairs,- male and female," Flat out says men and women. Not a very good muslim. And the Torrah has a few words about it as well (Lev. 18:22). "18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act." I don't know the New Testament....But you being the good Muslim you would not care anyway. You are boring me....Apologize or talk to the wall."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #16 May 6, 2005 Please, do us all a favor, BOTH OF YOU STFU! Okay, I feel much better now. I love you both dearly...really I do. _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 May 6, 2005 QuotePlease, do us all a favor, BOTH OF YOU STFU! [dejected voice]Sorry[/dejected voice] BTW the link is funny...I like the "cup of STFU" better though..."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #18 May 6, 2005 Quote[dejected voice]Sorry[/dejected voice] Okay, I have to admit, that's kind of cute. I can't stay mad at you! QuoteBTW the link is funny...I like the "cup of STFU" better though... LOL, the Yoda one is my favorite. Okay, now back to your regularly scheduled "Wal-Mart is Evil" debate (maybe). _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #19 May 6, 2005 Wow. Your logic is a little obscure but I think you're saying that you aren't a believer in a religion if you do anything the religion prohibits. By that logic, since Christianity holds that EVERYONE is a sinner, then everyone is automatically excommunicated so NO ONE is a Christian. Ron says, "There are no Christians. FACT!" Edited to add: Ok, I'm feeling guilty now. This is way too much fun and way too easy. I'm gonna retire from this amusement and get back to other cool things. FACT! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #20 May 6, 2005 QuoteBy that logic, since Christianity holds that EVERYONE is a sinner, then everyone is automatically excommunicated so NO ONE is a Christian. [Bullshit quote]Ron says, "There are no Christians. FACT!" [/Bullshit quote] No, if you knew anything about Christianity the major point is to ADMIT you are a sinner and you can only be saved by Christ. So by having sin and asking forgiveness you are in fact a perfect Christian. If I were gay, I'd claim to be Christian since I'd have a chance of getting away with it. The Muslim religion is not so nice about it. If fact you would be put to death. Interesting factoid...The Torrah does not say that men can't lust for men...In fact it only says that the ACT is bad. And there is no rule against females being gay....Other than they may be seen as lascivious. Go fish...BTW still boring."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craichead 0 #21 May 6, 2005 Please stop. This is just getting tiresome. I support your right to marriage, but the petty arguments between you and Ron help no one. Any more "Wal-Mart is Evil" related discussion? _Pm__ "Scared of love, love and aeroplanes...falling out, I said takes no brains." -- Andy Partridge (XTC) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #22 May 6, 2005 I think Ron and Narcimund should start another thread on the pros and cons of gay marriageMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 May 6, 2005 "Wal-Mart" is a stupid name. Couldn't they have thought up something less tacky? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #24 May 6, 2005 Quote"Wal-Mart" is a stupid name. Couldn't they have thought up something less tacky? Well, it sounds better than Cheap-Shit Mart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #25 May 6, 2005 I have always been partial to "China Mart"Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
